why again are Naim streamers not supporting Spotify?

Posted by: Louis-Andre on 25 November 2013

Sorry I know it has been discussed in previous posts, but I cannot find a good reason anywhere... is this a legal issue? or a strategic decision? frankly, considering the costs of Naim streamers I find this quite disapointing....
Posted on: 26 November 2013 by Jan-Erik Nordoen

Does Spotify offer downloads like Qobuz (CD quality and hi-res) ?

 

Is the catalogue as extensive ?

 

Posted on: 26 November 2013 by Rattlesnaic

I dont doubt Naim streamers sound good with Cd rips or less but think they are optimised for higher quality source material.The fact is the likes of Linn and Naim dont rate Spotify.

Posted on: 26 November 2013 by dave4jazz
Originally Posted by Jan-Erik Nordoen:

Does Spotify offer downloads like Qobuz (CD quality and hi-res) ? No

Is the catalogue as extensive ? Yes (more extensive)

 

Posted on: 26 November 2013 by KRM

Hi Jan,

 

Spotify doesn't offer downloads (although you can sync songs to your device and play them when not connected to internet) and 320kb/s is as good as it gets. 

 

I had assumed Spotify has a bigger library than Qobuz, but perhaps not?

 

Keith

Posted on: 26 November 2013 by dave4jazz
Originally Posted by Rattlesnaic:

The fact is the likes of Linn and Naim dont rate Spotify.

Unlike Naim, Linn does offer an app, Songcast, that will stream Spotify.

Posted on: 26 November 2013 by totemphile

Songcast was developed by a Linn user as no app existed at the time. It's an open source product, hence, quite different to Naim's proprietary nStream. AFAIK Linn don't offer an app themselves.

Posted on: 26 November 2013 by ricsimas
Originally Posted by totemphile:

Songcast was developed by a Linn user as no app existed at the time. It's an open source product, hence, quite different to Naim's proprietary nStream. AFAIK Linn don't offer an app themselves.

They have AirPlay though, which is already a much more elegant solution than having to deal with an extra box for the same thing.

Posted on: 26 November 2013 by dave4jazz
Originally Posted by totemphile:

Songcast was developed by a Linn user as no app existed at the time. It's an open source product, hence, quite different to Naim's proprietary nStream. AFAIK Linn don't offer an app themselves.

It's offered on their website so it must be recognised by Linn.

Posted on: 26 November 2013 by jfritzen

Songcast is an audio device driver for mac and windows that sends any kind of audio output to the selected Linn DS. The multi room feature which replicates an audio stream to another DS is also called Songcast and uses the same protocol. All very neatly designed and also works with hires music up to 24/192.

 

There is no Songcast for iOS or Android devices. For iOS one can use Airplay (sometimes called "NetAux" by Linn). For Android I don't know.

 

And then there is the Kinsky app but this is only for controlling a streamer device like n-stream does for Naim devices.

 

Posted on: 26 November 2013 by dave4jazz

Seems like the Logitech Squeezebox devices, Touch, Duet, are really excellent VFM compared to Linn and Naim streamers. I can stream all the music on my PC, listen to Spotify, internet radio, there's a Qoduz app available and control it all from my Andriod device(s). And it all sounds pretty good as well IMHO. Obviously Spotify at 320kbps is not as good as lossless formats, e.g. FLAC or ALAC. Why were they ever discontinued?

Posted on: 27 November 2013 by engjoo
Originally Posted by Rattlesnaic:

Why should a Premium Hi-Fi product like Naim Streamers support a Low Fi product like Spotify ?

Naim streamers only really give their best when fed High Res Music

This argument does not hold water. Does it mean that in the same way, it should also not play anything lesser than 16bit/44khz?

Posted on: 27 November 2013 by Jonas Olofsson
Originally Posted by Rattlesnaic:

Why should a Premium Hi-Fi product like Naim Streamers support a Low Fi product like Spotify ?

Naim streamers only really give their best when fed High Res Music

Because its nice with some back ground music sometimes and the idea to have 2 different systems that handles this is quite disappointing.

 

//jonas

Posted on: 27 November 2013 by dave4jazz
Originally Posted by Jonas Olofsson:
Originally Posted by Rattlesnaic:

Why should a Premium Hi-Fi product like Naim Streamers support a Low Fi product like Spotify ?

Naim streamers only really give their best when fed High Res Music

Because its nice with some back ground music sometimes and the idea to have 2 different systems that handles this is quite disappointing.

 

//jonas

+1

Posted on: 27 November 2013 by dt3t
Originally Posted by jfritzen:

Songcast is an audio device driver for mac and windows that sends any kind of audio output to the selected Linn DS. The multi room feature which replicates an audio stream to another DS is also called Songcast and uses the same protocol. All very neatly designed and also works with hires music up to 24/192.

 

There is no Songcast for iOS or Android devices. For iOS one can use Airplay (sometimes called "NetAux" by Linn). For Android I don't know.

 

And then there is the Kinsky app but this is only for controlling a streamer device like n-stream does for Naim devices.

 

Sounds like Linn has some good software options.  I thought I read in another thread that Kinsky works on Naim streamers.  I wonder if it is possible to use Linn's airplay app and bypass Nstream altogether?  

Posted on: 27 November 2013 by ragman
Originally Posted by dt3t:
Originally Posted by jfritzen:

Songcast is an audio device driver for mac and windows that sends any kind of audio output to the selected Linn DS. The multi room feature which replicates an audio stream to another DS is also called Songcast and uses the same protocol. All very neatly designed and also works with hires music up to 24/192.

 

There is no Songcast for iOS or Android devices. For iOS one can use Airplay (sometimes called "NetAux" by Linn). For Android I don't know.

 

And then there is the Kinsky app but this is only for controlling a streamer device like n-stream does for Naim devices.

 

Sounds like Linn has some good software options.  I thought I read in another thread that Kinsky works on Naim streamers.  I wonder if it is possible to use Linn's airplay app and bypass Nstream altogether?  

Yes, Kinsky works with Naim.

have tested it

Posted on: 27 November 2013 by ragman
Originally Posted by dave4jazz:
Originally Posted by badlyread:
Originally Posted by dave4jazz:
Originally Posted by Rattlesnaic:

Why should a Premium Hi-Fi product like Naim Streamers support a (Low) Medium (320kbps) Fi product like Spotify ?

Naim streamers only really give their best when fed High Res Music

I'm a fan of Spotify but Naim are putting their money on Qobuz (Hi-res) coming to a streamer near you next Mon 2 Dec.

And you know this for sure?

That's what it says:

http://www.qobuz.com/uploads/c...ease-20131024-UK.pdf

Is a List of the 4000 hi res records avaliable?

Posted on: 27 November 2013 by Aleg
Originally Posted by ragman:
Originally Posted by dave4jazz:
Originally Posted by badlyread:
Originally Posted by dave4jazz:
Originally Posted by Rattlesnaic:

Why should a Premium Hi-Fi product like Naim Streamers support a (Low) Medium (320kbps) Fi product like Spotify ?

Naim streamers only really give their best when fed High Res Music

I'm a fan of Spotify but Naim are putting their money on Qobuz (Hi-res) coming to a streamer near you next Mon 2 Dec.

And you know this for sure?

That's what it says:

http://www.qobuz.com/uploads/c...ease-20131024-UK.pdf

Is a List of the 4000 hi res records avaliable?

4296 at the moment

http://www.qobuz.com/qualite/S...gement-ecoute-albums

 

cheers

 

Aleg

Posted on: 27 November 2013 by dt3t
Originally Posted by ragman:
Originally Posted by dt3t:
Originally Posted by jfritzen:

Songcast is an audio device driver for mac and windows that sends any kind of audio output to the selected Linn DS. The multi room feature which replicates an audio stream to another DS is also called Songcast and uses the same protocol. All very neatly designed and also works with hires music up to 24/192.

 

There is no Songcast for iOS or Android devices. For iOS one can use Airplay (sometimes called "NetAux" by Linn). For Android I don't know.

 

And then there is the Kinsky app but this is only for controlling a streamer device like n-stream does for Naim devices.

 

Sounds like Linn has some good software options.  I thought I read in another thread that Kinsky works on Naim streamers.  I wonder if it is possible to use Linn's airplay app and bypass Nstream altogether?  

Yes, Kinsky works with Naim.

have tested it

Thanks.  I'll give it a try.  

Posted on: 27 November 2013 by ragman
Originally Posted by ragman:
Originally Posted by dave4jazz:
Originally Posted by badlyread:
Originally Posted by dave4jazz:
Originally Posted by Rattlesnaic:

Why should a Premium Hi-Fi product like Naim Streamers support a (Low) Medium (320kbps) Fi product like Spotify ?

Naim streamers only really give their best when fed High Res Music

I'm a fan of Spotify but Naim are putting their money on Qobuz (Hi-res) coming to a streamer near you next Mon 2 Dec.

And you know this for sure?

That's what it says:

http://www.qobuz.com/uploads/c...ease-20131024-UK.pdf

Is a List of the 4000 hi res records avaliable?

Wow

every Single One avaliable in the store

Posted on: 27 November 2013 by Phage

Qobuz, at first glance, does not have any heavier stuff in their selection. Is this some kind of statement from Naim toward fans of heavy rock and metal music?

Posted on: 27 November 2013 by Aleg
Originally Posted by Phage:

Qobuz, at first glance, does not have any heavier stuff in their selection. Is this some kind of statement from Naim toward fans of heavy rock and metal music?

 

 

Strange remark, as if Naim determines the catalog of Qobuz?

 

Posted on: 27 November 2013 by osprey
Although Naim do not determine the catalogue of Qobuz they seem to be a chosen partners so theoretically there might be an indirect way to influence. However, I think Phage made his remark at least a bit to provoke discussion. Metal is in marginal in these forums or at least it has been earlier…
Posted on: 27 November 2013 by ragman
Originally Posted by osprey:
Although Naim do not determine the catalogue of Qobuz they seem to be a chosen partners so theoretically there might be an indirect way to influence. However, I think Phage made his remark at least a bit to provoke discussion. Metal is in marginal in these forums or at least it has been earlier…

What are you missing?

 

Black sabbat

metallica

ac/dc

anthrax

e.g.

 

 

Posted on: 27 November 2013 by osprey
I am not really missing anything but for a more serious metal fan those are too mainstream (or not metal at all). And this is not to say that I wouldn't personally like some of those.

More about metal in this thread:

https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...332#7057894847839332
Posted on: 27 November 2013 by ricsimas
Originally Posted by Aleg:

That's painfully low compared to Spotify's claim to 20 million songs; indeed there are whole genres where Qobuz has little to nothing.

 

It's clearly not a replacement, IMO, regardless of the audio quality.