Where has the Chord STA thread gone?

It has been moved to Admin Moderation following a complaint.  There's a fair bit to read through and some of it may have to be pruned if it's found that certain posts fall outside forum AUP.

Right now, cooking dinner is top priority followed by a bit more time spent trying to disable the new "likes" feature...

Great, thanks Richard! 

Thanks Richard. 

I don't know what was against AUP. I guess I missed some juicy bits. I look forward to seeing it back again.

J

Start a new one....Sure seems to be a spike in the amount of moderation

Good idea - but it would be sad and bizarre if the thread were not fully reinstated very shortly - imho  

I can not speak for Sir Richard....However, me thinks there is no way it's going to pop up..

Perhaps there should be a Forum members committee to whom the Administrators should privately explain their decisions - because I cannot think of anything truly objectionable in that thread. Unless it was to do with Naim's new cable / interconnect offerings?

Yes I appreciate that it is Naim's Forum but ........ 

Nearly every brand in the world has been discussed on this forum at some point.

Well, its not just the STA thread that recently disapperaed without trace or explanation, or even a simple statement that a thread has been totally withdrawn. In any other walk of life, i would suggest this sort of thing was poor form.

Cheers

Don

Don, the only recent thread that was closed and then moved to Admin was the cyclist thread - for obvious reasons, or rather obvious to those that read the thread in its latter stages.  The only others have been sales or wanted threads which are of course forbidden under forum rules. 

The Chord STA thread received a complaint.  Policy is to move it to the Admin room while the complaint is investigated and any appropriate action or moderation taken. That was done and the thread returned to the Hifi Corner.

Naim have no problem with members discussing non-Naim products but dealers have a greater responsibility here.  Naim is happy for dealers to discuss Naim products but non-Naim products are potentially a problem.  There was an incident that was discovered a while back that has meant that Naim have decided to get much tougher here.  I think that's a good thing because it's all about keeping the forum as clean and shill free as possible - for all the members benefit. While it may be a shame that it means less dealer input on non-Naim products, on the upside it does mean that there's less opportunity for posts of a commercial subtext.

Fair enough Richard, but...............

Quietly putting it back in its chronological place ie 5 days old so burried in the archive depths of 5 or 6 pages ago, without any sort of flag, isn't exactly inspirational (IMHO of course).

Cheers

Don

Hi Don, not sure whether you're insinuating something here or if I'm misreading your post.  As many know well, I'm basically impartial here, as one needs to be to be an effective moderator.  Naim rarely if ever intervene and if I think any possible intervention is unjustified then I will argue robustly against it.  The role of administrator is a position of trust and that trust comes not just from Naim but also from the members. I try to ensure every decision I make here has that balance of trust at the forefront.

Anyway, as to the process, once the thread is checked and any necessary action taken it is returned to the public forum. Unfortunately sometimes it can't be done as quickly as might be ideal.   Sometimes some consultation or clarification is required.  Sometimes a degree of detective work is needed.  This takes time and must be fitted in around regular moderation work.  When a thread returns it chronologically it goes back to the time and date of the last post.  No need to be quiet or sneaky about it.  But similarly there's no call to trumpet it from the rooftops either. 

Hi Richard,

You are simply misreading my post. In view of the interest expressed in this thread, it would have been much more helpful (IMO) if you had returned the STA thread to the top of the HiFi Forum with a simple note stating it had now been moderated and returned for further discussion. Alternatively you could have added a note to this thread to similar effect and stating exactly where the STA could be found if anybody was still interested.

Likewise, (IMO) it would have been considerate to all those who had contributed to the cycling thread if it had been moderated and returned as such. If that really was too difficult, then perhaps a note and "closed topic" posted.

As to "the process", I really do appreciate the time and effort that might be required to carry out your role of administrator on difficult threads, and I am sure that others will agree that by and large you do a splendid job.

cheers

Don

I have had posts removed and had requested posts to be "ended". I agreed with some and others did not. People forget we are guests here: if you don't like the rules, there are other less "selective" places to go.

So do we know what is missing from the resurrected thread ?

Publishing that detail would kinda defeat the whole purpose of Richard's moderation. I think.

Originally Posted by Don Atkinson:

Indeed  Although I was just wondering whether anyone had re-read and established what had changed - not actually suggesting that it should be shared. 

Chris,

Norman's post, which set out why STA might work and why it might be more effective in some locations but not others, has disappeared along with my response and probably a few other related posts.

Not sure what else might have changed.

I agree here.

Most of us never dig down deeper the first forum page.

It would be fair to return the moderated thread back to the top of the list so that people can continue from the point where it has been pulled off.

Interesting - but I think that I need to revisited the Forum Rules - although I think also that they might need to be updated. 

Normans contributions to this thread were very useful. Trouble is, I think dealers are "encouraged" not to discuss non-Naim products on the forum. I like to believe this more to do with Naim being concerned about liability and compatability issues more than any cometitive element though, since debate by non-trade members regarding Naim vs other brands is (fortunately) rife!

I believe that you are right Julian - I could be wrong but I recall that Sir Richard of Admin recently commented along those lines. Sort of a shame but you can understand the rationale. Particularly when perhaps one dealer objects to comments by another 

Although it's a bit like M&S Food objecting to a Waitrose planning application.

Correct.  With a few exceptions (I give a bit of latitude regarding turntables, cartridges etc..), Naim's trade members are requested not to post on non-Naim products.  The decision was taken a while back after a few episodes in the past that got a bit ugly and went well beyond the bounds of forum AUP.  The forum is not a platform for commercial promotion of products by trade members and the only way to keep it clean is to have such a rule for trade members in place.