Can't edit metadata

As a test I was able to edit metadata in other files that were identified properly but not when US put the file(s) in "unknown" folder...strange. So I ripped one of the CD's in question with XLD with no problems to my NAS in the share set up as Naim Downloads. I'll try the same CD in jriver also and see what happens.I have a separate folder titles "NaimHiRes" for 24/96 and 24/192 files. I am clueless to the reasons.

Phil Harris...any ideas?

If the uServe put the files in an "unknown" folder, it may have not been online or otherwise able to reach the database at the time you ripped the cd.  The server doesn't get any info from the cd itself as to what is being ripped; it has to go online and connect to the database and get the info. 

I'll try ripping again. Standby.

Rip complete but appears to have overwritten the existing file with the same cryptic string because the one song and genre I was able to change from n-serve via the iPad is gone. The original rip of this CD was many months ago and everything is online as far as I can tell as I was just streaming Radio paradise. Purchased a ton of CD's over Christmas and all ripped successfully.

This is CD is from a local artist recorded in Charlotte NC in 1991 but XLD found it, just missed the cover art which I easily scanned in. However, via n-serve can't edit the metadata...ripped in WAV.

Update...for some bizarre reason iOS on the iPad is suddenly letting me update the metadata for this CD. Maybe because just re-ripped??? Ghost in the machine???

Cool! Was able to then lookup the cover. Keeping my fingers crossed for the remaining 9 unknown rips.

Now n-serve is crashing on the iPad. No go on editing metadata outside of the US rips. Bummer.

We now all need to become software engineers and network administrators!  However, after another frustrating couple of days grappling with outrageously dodgy metadata and synchronising music libraries, as my ripped collection grows (and I become slightly more capable at handling the plethora of processes) the pleasure of being able to rediscover 'lost tracks and albums' is well worth the effort.

...but ask me the question again when my ND5 is installed.  Hopefully my groundwork is solid? It all works playing through a computer plugged into an old Nait3, but the final goal is to get it all talking to the black boxes in the living room...

I rip with DBpoweramp on an iMac and use JRiver MC to manage the library. I only hope that the effort put into the basic organisation of the library with MC (and more importantly, ripping correctly in the first place) can be put to good use in the future. I am trying to organise the metadata correctly (as best I can) in the ripped files, rather than relying on lots of post-ripping manipulation.  If necessary I will rip again to better organise the files. I rip simultaneously to FLAC, WAV and AIFF

I do not yet have experience with high-res downloaded files, but I guess this will become a much more common way of purchasing music? The industry really ought to clean up its metadata and our ability to manipulate it, otherwise our music will continue to be splashed across our systems.

Happy listening

We'd still be using tin cans and wires if this is what "software engineers" did.

My 14 yr old daughter can do it; I think it's a grumpy old men issue.

Now where did I leave my teeth . . . . ????

I am running Media Centre v19.0.103 for Mac.  New versions seem to appear quite frequently. Once in a while it falls over, but I have never lost data and generally find it reliable. When it does misbehave it is usually because I have done something odd with it (the help WIKI is not always clear). I managed to make two installations continually update themselves from each other, so all my changes kept reverting. I consider myself only a basic user at present.

I am running DBPoweramp on an old iMac using Parallels and an ancient copy of Windows XP.  I have found this setup to be completely reliable. I had a quick look at XLD for Mac, but it didn't seem as flexible as DBP.

When starting up I always make sure i am logged into my NAS from both MAC OS and XP.  The DBPoweramp interface is very old-style Windows, but once setup it is completely straightforward and needs little or no maintenance. Occasionally an enhanced CD tries to fire up a video or additional content, but that is usually not a big problem. Once in a blue-moon the speed of encoding becomes almost catatonic, but it then seems to quickly sort itself out - the DBPoweramp forum has threads covering this.

There are some quirky aspects to the metadata manipulation process to be aware of. The global settings for Artist / Album Artist can overwrite carefully, manually-typed track entries with little warning if you are not careful. 

Sorry, a long answer for a simple question.

Thanks for your report TommayCat. No need to be sorry - you where precise

I am still searching for a solution without windows. E.g. I tried to run Naim DTC with WINE on Mac. It started, sees the server (only once), but could not connect. WINE has hundreds of options, so I gave up tinkering with that...

As I have read in the dBpoweramp forum, there is a OS X version in the pipeline for later this year.

http://forum.dbpoweramp.com/sh...weramp-for-Apple-Mac

Afaik XLD is basically an OS X GUI over a bunch of Unix-encoder-libraries and the look & feel is not very Mac-like either... Compared to dBPoweramp it lacks the extensive tagging features.

I thought I had this problem and I am  VERY new to the Unitiserve.

Problem sorted for me when I simply played another track from another album and then I could modify the the meta data I wanted to edit without a problem.

Hope this helps?

Interesting development.  I wonder if they will introduce some nice new features to help with metadata?  They are suggesting towards the end of 2014, so us Mac users will be well on with our ripping by then, but it would remove my need for running WindowsXP in a VM.  I hear XP is not going to be supported for much longer.

Didn't get far with XLD for the tagging reasons you state.

Can you edit the meta data for music not ripped by the userve. 

For example if I were to buy a Userve SDD and point  it at my existing nas, I presume n-serve will see the music but will I be able to edit the metadata?

SJB

Thats the issue, it will see the files (WAV or  FLAC etc) bit will not allow you to adjust the metadata, only files ripped within the US will allow this.

It is a bugbear. I have to make sure that when I rip (downloads are fine for me) any hi-res files that at the time of the ripping all the metadata I wish to carry across is intact at that point.

this is one reason some are now ripping to uncompressed FLAC to allow for the better metadata manipulation then converting those to WAV on playback.

I am keeping all my files as WAV.

You could not edit it with n-Serve, but can edit it with any of a large number of metadata edit programs available for Windows or OS X.

Including WAVs Bart? I only know of a Professional Broadcast software package that can edit WAVs, as that is what they record and they need to change metadata for shoot dates, scenes and takes etc.

I'm aware of the ways to edit metadata on PC but it would be so handy if there was an app that could do it. The time  notice problems with metadata is when I'm listening, how great it would be to have an app to edit on the fly. 

SJB

We've discussed the tagging of wav files here a zillion times.  There is no "industry standard."  I highly suggest that for rips you prepare yourself outside of a Naim ripper, or purchase online, you do not use wav.  Flac, or Apple Lossless, your choice.  I choose flac.

I check metadata BEFORE I add files to my Naim server.  That is the best practice.  John B, I agree that it would be nice if n-Stream or n-Serve also edited files not ripped by the server.  But for now it doesn't, and I can't lose too much sleep over it.  Easily accomplished with available software.

If you want an uncompressed (not "lossless" compressed) linear PCM format (like WAF), that can handle standard tags, I'll choose AIFF.

Explanation here: https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...ou-adam-and-eve-it-1

Spec. the posts of Tog + Wat down the page clears it up.

And yes - it is a pity that naim doesn't care about tagging (or backup) of the downloadad files!

Obviously their devices where originally conceived as CD-rip-player only. The network player for "better than red-book standard" download files features where added in later in a firmware upgrade.

A later firmware AND hardware upgrade.  Not to pick nits. 

Not at all. Wasn't there at the time... What changed at the hardware?