Problem with 2 iRadio stations on ND5SX

Posted by: Gajdzin on 13 January 2014

I have been living with my new ND5SX for a week now (and loving it), but out of the first 7 internet radio stations I've programmed the presets 2 have a problem:

 

1. Naim Radio. It plays with a heavy distortion, it sounds like a diesel engine noise has been superimposed on all tracks (especially bass) or like someone is continually farting, or like all bass guitars are run though a heavy distortion effect... None of the other stations I've tried have any distortion, they are crystal clear. It wasn't like that on day 1 if I remember correctly... started yesterday.

 

2. Audiophile Baroque. This is only 320k, but the connection always drops with buffer underruns. I can stream higher bps stations like 917x.fm at 917kb/s without any problems, just not this one.

 

The ND5SX is connected by a cable, the internet connection is stable, fast (120mbps) and all other stations I've tried have no problem at all.

 

Any ideas...?

Posted on: 13 January 2014 by Gajdzin

PS. Now I found another 320k station that breaks up all the time with buffer underruns: "Positively Baroque". That's really annoying, because this and the Audiophile Baroque are the only two 320k baroque music stations I can find.

 

To make matters worse, both stations are playing just fine on my laptop direct from shoutcast.com, via Wi-Fi!

 

On the other hand Radio Paradise, which is also 320k, has been playing for a week on Naim without a glitch. AvroDeKlasssiek, too. 

 

I can't make sense of it...

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by Gajdzin

Nobody...? I'm new to this, I really need some advice...

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by Gajdzin

This is an interesting thread, with many participants  OK, so NAIM admitted it was their fault I could hear the tractor engine running on top of their programs for a day: https://forums.naimaudio.com/topic/naim-iradio-issue 

 

The other issue stays the same: 2 stations breaking all the time with buffer under-runs, while all the other ones (even ones with higher streaming speeds) are playing just fine.  If someone could tell me if they can listen to "Audiophile Baroque" and "Positively Baroque" on ND5SX without interruptions it would help...

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by hungryhalibut

I hadn't heard of Audiophile Baroque, which I must say is a cringeworthy name. However, the music is excellent, and it's playing perfectly, with 100% buffer level. My SuperUniti is super though! Seriously, the streaming boards are probably very similar, if not identical, so it does seem odd that you are experiencing problems whereas it works fine here.

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by Gajdzin

Thank you, valuable information. Could it be something wrong with my unit? But why the heck does it play even higher streaming speed stations, just not these 2? Life was so much simpler when my sources were limited to CD and vinyl (i.e. until 2 weeks ago)...

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by Jude2012

The issue with Naim Radio sounding 'rough' is not unique to the ND5XS.  I am experiencing it on my system, which uses iTunes to access the Naim Radio stream and then send it via  USB on the Mac mini to DAX V1.

 

Other radio stations sound normal .

 

Jude 

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by hungryhalibut

I've just tried Positively Baroque, and it won't work. It buffers to 30% then immediately drops to 0%. Positively Crap, you might say.

 

The plot thickens. Does signal strength affect the internet stations, I wonder? Maybe it's something at the station's end. Maybe it's different depending on where you live. No idea basically.

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by Gajdzin
Originally Posted by Jude2012:

The issue with Naim Radio sounding 'rough' is not unique to the ND5XS.  I am experiencing it on my system, which uses iTunes to access the Naim Radio stream and then send it via  USB on the Mac mini to DAX V1.

 

Other radio stations sound normal .

 

Jude 

See my post above, NAIM has just admitted to technical difficulties... https://forums.naimaudio.com/topic/naim-iradio-issue

 

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by Gajdzin
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

I've just tried Positively Baroque, and it won't work. It buffers to 30% then immediately drops to 0%. Positively Crap, you might say.

 

The plot thickens. Does signal strength affect the internet stations, I wonder? Maybe it's something at the station's end. Maybe it's different depending on where you live. No idea basically.

Hey, that's very reassuring - so it's not just me nor my ND5SX! Thank you. I love this forum.

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by hungryhalibut

Glad to be of service, sir. Now, it's time for bed. Goodnight.

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by Sloop John B

Positively Baroque has been playing perfectly for me for the past 2 hours. 100% buffer! amazing sound quality actually. Ah the UniQute, you just can't beat it. 

 

SJB

 

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by Sloop John B

 

 

 

(Must stop drinking!)

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Sloop John B:

Positively Baroque has been playing perfectly for me for the past 2 hours. 100% buffer! amazing sound quality actually. Ah the UniQute, you just can't beat it. 

 

SJB

 

 

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by Gajdzin

The mystery grows... I wouldn't make a big case of it if not for the fact that there seem to be only TWO iRadio stations dedicated to Baroque music and playing at 320k... And both don't play on this unit. Everything else does, even at higher bit rates. On a PC via wi-fi the baroque stations play fine. So it must be something wrong with my ND5SX, no?

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by Sloop John B

Sorry Gajdzin, it's just my silly sense  of humour with a bellyful of stout in me, I'm actually listening to the Talking Heads album "true stories", not Positively baroque. 

 

It it could be taken as a postmodern comment on audiophile paranoia or not as the case may be. 

 

Enjoy your ND5xs its's undoubtedly a great piece of kit.

 

SJB  

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by Gajdzin

I love Talking Heads.

 

But on SD5XS topic: it cost 10 times what the ancient little laptop in my lap has cost and yet I can listen to those stations on the laptop via wi-fi and I can't on SD5SX via cable. Something is clearly wrong...?

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by The Meerkat
Originally Posted by Gajdzin:

The mystery grows... I wouldn't make a big case of it if not for the fact that there seem to be only TWO iRadio stations dedicated to Baroque music and playing at 320k... And both don't play on this unit. Everything else does, even at higher bit rates. On a PC via wi-fi the baroque stations play fine. So it must be something wrong with my ND5SX, no?

Hi Gajdzin - Just a thought, are you running the latest 3.22 software on your ND5 XS? Apparently there was a problem with a few of the radio stations with 3.21. The 3.22 fixes those problems.

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by Gajdzin

Yes, I upgraded to 3.22 right after the purchase.

Posted on: 14 January 2014 by engjoo

It has been discussed before and it is known that some users will not be able to get good iradio performance due to their location. Try connecting by wireless and it should be fine. This has to do with the build in buffering within the wireless protocol which allows for more connection latency.

 

It is also being discussed in thread "SU occasionally loosing network".

Posted on: 15 January 2014 by Gajdzin
Originally Posted by engjoo:

It has been discussed before and it is known that some users will not be able to get good iradio performance due to their location. Try connecting by wireless and it should be fine. This has to do with the build in buffering within the wireless protocol which allows for more connection latency.

 

It is also being discussed in thread "SU occasionally loosing network".

That sounds counter-instinctive, but the way you explained it - logical. I'll try that as a temporary solution, because I'd rather not have a source of radio waves (wi-fi antenna) at the back of my audio rack...

 

For a more permanent solution I'd rather stream internet radio to the ND5SX from some other network device, such as a NAS. Only problem - so far, reading other threads, nobody was successful in doing that, even though some NASs have an internet radio capability...

Posted on: 15 January 2014 by engjoo
Originally Posted by Gajdzin:
Originally Posted by engjoo:

It has been discussed before and it is known that some users will not be able to get good iradio performance due to their location. Try connecting by wireless and it should be fine. This has to do with the build in buffering within the wireless protocol which allows for more connection latency.

 

It is also being discussed in thread "SU occasionally loosing network".

That sounds counter-instinctive, but the way you explained it - logical. I'll try that as a temporary solution, because I'd rather not have a source of radio waves (wi-fi antenna) at the back of my audio rack...

 

For a more permanent solution I'd rather stream internet radio to the ND5SX from some other network device, such as a NAS. Only problem - so far, reading other threads, nobody was successful in doing that, even though some NASs have an internet radio capability...

You will need to do it using the NAS's application. In the case of synology, that will be the DS Audio application but if you run system automation with other Naim ampilier, you will of course not be able to control volume.

 

Posted on: 15 January 2014 by Gajdzin

Yes, but so far in another thread nobody was able to get the Naim to recognize the iRadio stream from Synology DS Audio application...