Amanda Knox and ex-boyfriend guilty of Kercher Italy murder
Posted by: Blueknowz on 30 January 2014
I'm not certain the US is going to have a "choice" in the matter. Aren't they legally bound by extradition treaties? Granted, the US could seek loopholes (there are probably many to be found), or invoke the World Court. Or test just how prepared Italy is to enforce extradition. As of now Amanda is preparing an appeal (to the latest appeal), and plans to legally defend herself by all means possible, from within the US. She wants to be exonerated; right now she is a convicted murderer.
The us will not surrender Knox to yet more Italian justice whatever international law says and no one will be able to make them.
So international law and extradition only applies when America wants it to? And there has been criticism of Italian law on here!
What is your basis for that statement?
US sense of 'might is right' I'm guessing.
Yes, when you have the biggest wallet and biggest gun, you can get away with a lot.
It's the same as with any other school yard bully.
And I agree Joe, whatever she may or may not have done, I think she's smart enough to try and keep a low profile and represents no threat greater than that of any other student. (Although if she did do it, we have seen some who just insist on looking a gift horse in the mouth...the name OJ Simpson comes to mind.)
I just listened to the verdict with my (very) mediocre Italian skills, but I find it interesting that they said that Knox is in America "illegally", inasmuch it was their own 2011 acquittal (the second trial) that permitted her to leave. Of course, they have pulled Sollecito's passport and other possible travel documents.
The US don't have double jeopardy - #1
Knox was acquited on appeal and allowed to leave Italy - #2
Further appeal held in absentia and guilty again - #3
See #1, plus the US does not care what Italy wants.
Actually, nobody cares what Italy "wants"!
I'm not certain the US is going to have a "choice" in the matter. Aren't they legally bound by extradition treaties? Granted, the US could seek loopholes (there are probably many to be found), or invoke the World Court. Or test just how prepared Italy is to enforce extradition. As of now Amanda is preparing an appeal (to the latest appeal), and plans to legally defend herself by all means possible, from within the US. She wants to be exonerated; right now she is a convicted murderer.
The us will not surrender Knox to yet more Italian justice whatever international law says and no one will be able to make them.
So international law and extradition only applies when America wants it to? And there has been criticism of Italian law on here!
And then the US is shocked that there are so many people from other countries that want to blow them up.
Jesus, will they ever learn.
No "Justice System" is perfect. It's subject to human fraility just like any other human activity. But some appear to be more frail than others.
The process of collecting evidence and piecing together that evidence to build a picture of events is crucial. This wasn't done very well in Portugal in the case of Madeline McCann. The Italian Police appear to have bungled some of their activity in the case against Knox. But how important is each piece of evidence. If some of the evidence is shown to be irrelevant eg the DNA on a knife or piece of clothing, the case can only be considered on the basis of the remaining eveidence. I anticipate Knox will seek out the best experts she can find in order to appeal that the evidence for her involvement is non-existant. I am sure the USA will look very carefully at the evidence used in the trial, even if this is not meant to form any part of any extradition process.
The main question is "Who killed Meredith ?"
Three or four people have been considered suspects. Amanda Knox is one of these suspects. She has changed her story of events quite significantly. DNA evidence or not, changing your story doesn't usually bode well in the eyes of reasonable people serving on a Jury.
For the sake of both Meredith and Amanda Knox, I hope that any appeal, counter-appeal, extradition, extradition appeal etc focuses on the evidence and its relevance and not be distorted by politics and jingoism.
"The main question is "Who killed Meredith ?""
Amen to that Don, amen to that.
That question has already been answered - Guede.
As for changes to stories - well, were to begin?
Where to begin ...
Surely?
Where to begin ...
Shirley,
they should send over Columbo, he's half Italian and he'd find out what happened ; )
"The main question is "Who killed Meredith ?""
Amen to that Don, amen to that.
He still liveth, somewhere in France, Shirley?
Or Peter Falk can just ask Meredith who killed her.
'Coz he still liveth in France, we can soon expect a reaoably authoritative answer to that!
ATB from George
Drew
The first two lines of your response include some groups famous for working with each other in complete harmony and singularity of purpose. That may make sense to you but I doubt you have as many like minded adherents as you think. Go back and re-read all the background again and ask yourself again .....how plausible is her story ? Then ask yourself, is all the media brainwashed? Is all the Italian legal profession colluding? Perhaps they're just coming to a different conclusion than you. Or perhaps the attorney representing the dead girls family got it right......(the case) "has no winners or losers. It's a tragedy that involves four young people." I've always found the Knox family's response to the changing situation somewhat subdued. I suspect they understand the truth of this idea of a tragedy for all involved quite well. And perhaps they also know their daughter.
I find her story completely plausible. Certainly a lot more plausible then the absurd theory put forth by the corrupt Italian prosecutor. On the contrary, I found the Knox families reaction to be anything but subdued. They were ferocious in defense of their daughter from the get go. Rudy Guede is the killer. Guede has a history of mental illness . Guede had history of break and enter and sexual assault. His DNA was at the crime scene in around the victims body . His bloody footprint was at the crime scene. The original Italian Prosecutor had a documented history of using intimidation and bullying to coerce false confessions. Accusing previous suspects of being part of Satanic sexual rituals including a very well known author. Oh , and lets not forget that the original prosecutor himself was under inditement for tampering /corruption the whole time he was prosecuting Knox.Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he was eventually tried and convicted?? None of the Kercher's DNA was ever found on the supposed murder weapon which the Italian's just retested ??? I could go on and on but I won't. The murder of Kercher was a tragedy. The wrongful conviction of Knox and her boyfriend is a travesty.
Drew
The first two lines of your response include some groups famous for working with each other in complete harmony and singularity of purpose. That may make sense to you but I doubt you have as many like minded adherents as you think. Go back and re-read all the background again and ask yourself again .....how plausible is her story ? Then ask yourself, is all the media brainwashed? Is all the Italian legal profession colluding? Perhaps they're just coming to a different conclusion than you. Or perhaps the attorney representing the dead girls family got it right......(the case) "has no winners or losers. It's a tragedy that involves four young people." I've always found the Knox family's response to the changing situation somewhat subdued. I suspect they understand the truth of this idea of a tragedy for all involved quite well. And perhaps they also know their daughter.
I find her story completely plausible. Certainly a lot more plausible then the absurd theory put forth by the corrupt Italian prosecutor. On the contrary, I found the Knox families reaction to be anything but subdued. They were ferocious in defense of their daughter from the get go. Rudy Guede is the killer. Guede has a history of mental illness . Guede had history of break and enter and sexual assault. His DNA was at the crime scene in around the victims body . His bloody footprint was at the crime scene. The original Italian Prosecutor had a documented history of using intimidation and bullying to coerce false confessions. Accusing previous suspects of being part of Satanic sexual rituals including a very well known author. Oh , and lets not forget that the original prosecutor himself was under inditement for tampering /corruption the whole time he was prosecuting Knox.Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he was eventually tried and convicted?? None of the Kercher's DNA was ever found on the supposed murder weapon which the Italian's just retested ??? I could go on and on but I won't. The murder of Kercher was a tragedy. The wrongful conviction of Knox and her boyfriend is a travesty.
Where is the source of all this information? If it was as clear cut as you say I can't see how judges, or the jury in the first instance, found her and her ex boyfriend guilty.
Drew
The first two lines of your response include some groups famous for working with each other in complete harmony and singularity of purpose. That may make sense to you but I doubt you have as many like minded adherents as you think. Go back and re-read all the background again and ask yourself again .....how plausible is her story ? Then ask yourself, is all the media brainwashed? Is all the Italian legal profession colluding? Perhaps they're just coming to a different conclusion than you. Or perhaps the attorney representing the dead girls family got it right......(the case) "has no winners or losers. It's a tragedy that involves four young people." I've always found the Knox family's response to the changing situation somewhat subdued. I suspect they understand the truth of this idea of a tragedy for all involved quite well. And perhaps they also know their daughter.
I find her story completely plausible. Certainly a lot more plausible then the absurd theory put forth by the corrupt Italian prosecutor. On the contrary, I found the Knox families reaction to be anything but subdued. They were ferocious in defense of their daughter from the get go. Rudy Guede is the killer. Guede has a history of mental illness . Guede had history of break and enter and sexual assault. His DNA was at the crime scene in around the victims body . His bloody footprint was at the crime scene. The original Italian Prosecutor had a documented history of using intimidation and bullying to coerce false confessions. Accusing previous suspects of being part of Satanic sexual rituals including a very well known author. Oh , and lets not forget that the original prosecutor himself was under inditement for tampering /corruption the whole time he was prosecuting Knox.Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he was eventually tried and convicted?? None of the Kercher's DNA was ever found on the supposed murder weapon which the Italian's just retested ??? I could go on and on but I won't. The murder of Kercher was a tragedy. The wrongful conviction of Knox and her boyfriend is a travesty.
Where is the source of all this information? If it was as clear cut as you say I can't see how judges, or the jury in the first instance, found her and her ex boyfriend guilty.
For a start, you can read for yourself about the corrupt, vindictive, illegal tactics of intimidation and deceit employed by the first prosecutor Guiliano Mignini against many other innocent victims besides Amanda Knox . The respected author Douglas Preston is just one powerful example. Read Preston's frightening account of his dealings with Mignini in an article published in The Atlantic magazine. I think you'll notice Mignini used strikingly similar tactics in his persecution of Preston and others as he did in his prosecution of Amanda Knox. Mignini was given a 16 month prison sentence by the Italian courts. He's a great example of the banality of evil. I'm done . I've said all I have to say on this case. Back to Hi Fi
i had a good read of injusticeinperugia dot org earlier, and if i'm to believe what I read there (and it seems reasonable) then there's little case against Amanda Knox apart from the 'confession' etc that we read about.
The impression I get is that the prosecution formed an early view of events (involving Lamumba) and then continued to force their view upon proceedings even after Guede had been implicated very convincingly by the evidence...
Phil