Where has the NDX into Hugo thread gone?

Posted by: Simon-in-Suffolk on 19 June 2014

Any ideas? 

There were some heated debates, but no more so than other recent exchanges on the forum, and those threads are still there...

i can only think of negative defensive reasons which I don't associate with Naim at all.. I hope it wasn't to do with that..perhaps the thread can go back into padded cell? It was a fairly useful resource for those wanting to use their Naim equipment with a Hugo source..

Posted on: 24 July 2014 by dayjay
Originally Posted by tonym:

Thanks for the list Bill, my, you've a lot of stuff! I've refrained in the past from listing all the bits & pieces I've got lying around - mostly DIY power supplies, DACs, amp, the odd speaker or two...

 

I confess I've been tempted in the past by AudioNote kit; I've enjoyed their stuff in the past.

 

On the subject of using the Hugo as a preamp, it'd certainly be an interesting experiment if someone was up for it.

 

I'm using mine as a pre albeit only into a little Nap100 and it works shockingly well. I'm sure it would be easy enough to try it with other Naim amps with a bit of organising

Posted on: 24 July 2014 by tonym

Sorry Mr dayjay, I'd forgotten that you'd mentioned that before. I don't doubt the Hugo will do a good job in that role, but based on my experiences with the V1, which didn't sound quite as good as when using it with a 122X, it'd be good to try the Chord as preamp in other setups.

Posted on: 24 July 2014 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by tonym:

Thanks for the list Bill, my, you've a lot of stuff! I've refrained in the past from listing all the bits & pieces I've got lying around - mostly DIY power supplies, DACs, amp, the odd speaker or two...

 

I confess I've been tempted in the past by AudioNote kit; I've enjoyed their stuff in the past.

 

On the subject of using the Hugo as a preamp, it'd certainly be an interesting experiment if someone was up for it.

 

Tony I left a load of stuff out too.  A 500v psu for valve projects/testing, a signal generator/distortion tester, .. the list goes on ...  I have a few of my speaker kits out and about in the field!  My brother has one as does his ex-wife one of my nephews has a speaker kit and an AudioNote kit I built.  I love DIY HiFi, that thrill when you turn it on and to your surprise it works, it makes up for all the times when you turn it on and it don't work!

 

I also have a couple of earlier Quad boxes, an FM2 tuner and a 22 preamp both of which I am in the slow process of rebuilding.

 

Yes fatcat I should have thought of screw connecting psu caps!  Were you implying that Huge was copying stuff from Wiki?

 

btw Sloop John B if you saw the output from a lot of different batteries you would be surprised to find it is not flat, as you might expect, but can be very spikey.

Posted on: 24 July 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Reading elsewhere I understand that the Hugo uses the batteries as it primary power source always, and then these power bus goes into many voltage regulators to provide decoupled stablised powerlines to the many device components. According to the designer he utilises extensive. RF rejection in the numerous  internal power regulators.

I certainly can hear no difference in use between the Hugo power block connected or not, although I can subtly hear the difference in removing the ferrite choke surrounding the DC1 connecting the NDX to the Hugo.

Simon

Posted on: 24 July 2014 by tonym
Originally Posted by Big Bill:
 I love DIY HiFi, that thrill when you turn it on and to your surprise it works, it makes up for all the times when you turn it on and it don't work!

 

Yes indeed! and no one's more surprised than me when it actually doesn't blow up or release the dreaded magic smoke. But we digress...

Posted on: 24 July 2014 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by tonym:
Originally Posted by Big Bill:
 I love DIY HiFi, that thrill when you turn it on and to your surprise it works, it makes up for all the times when you turn it on and it don't work!

 

Yes indeed! and no one's more surprised than me when it actually doesn't blow up or release the dreaded magic smoke. But we digress...

Yup nothing more frightening than a batch of smoking trannies on a board you just turned on.  I did that on the psu boards on my Borbely preamp project, very embarrassing ordering a set of trannies for two psu boards from Erno.  He was very understanding though.

Posted on: 26 July 2014 by Steve J

I've been running the Hugo continuously for the last 4 days and it has now done over 100 hours. There is a definite run in period as others have experienced. The Hugo is now on song and sounds very good indeed, in fact better than I remember with the demo unit. I now have a digital system I am happy to listen to with no fatigue whatsoever. 

Posted on: 26 July 2014 by dayjay
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

Reading elsewhere I understand that the Hugo uses the batteries as it primary power source always, and then these power bus goes into many voltage regulators to provide decoupled stablised powerlines to the many device components. According to the designer he utilises extensive. RF rejection in the numerous  internal power regulators.

I certainly can hear no difference in use between the Hugo power block connected or not, although I can subtly hear the difference in removing the ferrite choke surrounding the DC1 connecting the NDX to the Hugo.

Simon

Sq seems to drop when the battery gets really low, sounds like subtle distortion in the treble and mid range but otherwise I've heard no difference either. Definitely sounds better after a week or so of use too. An absolute bargain at the price imho

Posted on: 26 July 2014 by lovethatsound
Leave it plugged in all the time, snd yes it's ok to do this.
Posted on: 26 July 2014 by lovethatsound
Leave it plugged in all the time, and yes it's ok to do this.
Posted on: 26 July 2014 by cvrle
Originally Posted by Steve J:

I've been running the Hugo continuously for the last 4 days and it has now done over 100 hours. There is a definite run in period as others have experienced. The Hugo is now on song and sounds very good indeed, in fact better than I remember with the demo unit. I now have a digital system I am happy to listen to with no fatigue whatsoever. 

If you haven't already, try some DSD stuff. You may like it even more...

Posted on: 28 July 2014 by George J
Originally Posted by cat345:
Originally Posted by George J:

I don't doubt it sounds fine!

 

I would never buy any equipment with a soldered in battery, however fine it sounded!

 

Even computers have batteries that are removable without a soldering job ...

 

ATG from George

 

George, why do soldered batteries scare you more than soldered capacitors?

Because batteries last a great deal less long than capacitors. In my V1 it is likely they would only need replacing once during the rest of my life!

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 28 July 2014 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by Wat:

You'll be changing them several times young George, as you have many many years ahead, whereas an old timer like me is not going to worry about the life time of Hugo batteries: I'm sure they'll see me out. 

 

All the best, Wat

Can I have your record collection when you go please Wat?

Posted on: 28 July 2014 by cat345
Originally Posted by George J:
Originally Posted by cat345:
Originally Posted by George J:

I don't doubt it sounds fine!

 

I would never buy any equipment with a soldered in battery, however fine it sounded!

 

Even computers have batteries that are removable without a soldering job ...

 

ATG from George

 

George, why do soldered batteries scare you more than soldered capacitors?

Because batteries last a great deal less long than capacitors. In my V1 it is likely they would only need replacing once during the rest of my life!

 

ATB from George

Do not forget that male life expectancy in UK is 80 young man!

Posted on: 28 July 2014 by George J

Not if you ride a cycle, smoke rolies, and enjoy a pint or more than two on occasion.

 

No male in my ancestry has survived beyond 76, and they were completely deaf by then! If I take the average over three generations I am already dead!

 

Deaf is as good as dead for me, so I am planning my demise to coincide with early onset deafness or earlier!

 

I have no intention of being a dull stick till I get dementia, and dribble embarrassingly from here and there!

 

70 will do just  fine - seventeen years from now, and I intend to relish every dissolute moment in the meanwhile!

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 29 July 2014 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by George J:

Not if you ride a cycle, smoke rolies, and enjoy a pint or more than two on occasion.

 

No male in my ancestry has survived beyond 76, and they were completely deaf by then! If I take the average over three generations I am already dead!

 

Deaf is as good as dead for me, so I am planning my demise to coincide with early onset deafness or earlier!

 

I have no intention of being a dull stick till I get dementia, and dribble embarrassingly from here and there!

 

70 will do just  fine - seventeen years from now, and I intend to relish every dissolute moment in the meanwhile!

 

ATB from George

Can I have your record collection when you go as well please George?

Posted on: 29 July 2014 by GraemeH

My MIL is 74 and in late stage dementia. My mother died at 64 of a quick aggressive cancer and my aunt (her sister) is still as sprightly and engaging 87 as she was as a lass.

 

Who knows when you will go.

 

Hugo when hugo.

 

There, that's got us back on topic.

 

G

Posted on: 29 July 2014 by Huge
Originally Posted by GraemeH:
...

Hugo when hugo.

 

There, that's got us back on topic.

 

G

DAC's the spirit.

Posted on: 29 July 2014 by Steve J

I just spoke to WireWorld and they are optimistic about producing a limited run of micro USB cables for the Hugo, they are awaiting a response from a big wig in the company who's been on holiday to make the decision. I should get a firm answer soon. 

Posted on: 29 July 2014 by cat345
Originally Posted by George J:

Not if you ride a cycle, smoke rolies, and enjoy a pint or more than two on occasion.

 

No male in my ancestry has survived beyond 76, and they were completely deaf by then! If I take the average over three generations I am already dead!

 

Deaf is as good as dead for me, so I am planning my demise to coincide with early onset deafness or earlier!

 

I have no intention of being a dull stick till I get dementia, and dribble embarrassingly from here and there!

 

70 will do just  fine - seventeen years from now, and I intend to relish every dissolute moment in the meanwhile!

 

ATB from George

You must remain confident George as Naim may be secretly developing hearing aids for us old farts 

Posted on: 29 July 2014 by YanC
Originally Posted by George J:

Deaf is as good as dead for me...

this thread is good and truly all over the place.

But this is a big yes +1 from me.

Posted on: 02 August 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

For the Hugonauts out there feeding it with their NDX.. I played around listening with PSU connected or not.. I couldnt really hear much difference.. But perhaps I was hearing  a touch more dynamic and punch in the bass with the PSU connected. Therefore I experimented further, I wound the PSU DC lead 4 x around a relatively large TDK ferrite choke.. Again talking ultra subtle on an already amazing device... But listening to Soul Coughing 'True Dreams of Whichita' I could sense a touch more atmosphere and space  in the background city sound scapes and there was kind of more of an immediacy in the drums that seemed to more crisply shake my chair and vocals and instruments that seemed to come out further into the room, once heard i wanted to keep ...

 

So again before perhaps some get too excited, I do have revealing speakers and I am a production geek when listening to recorded music so I notice this stuff... But it works for me. YMMV

 

Simon

Posted on: 12 August 2014 by gary yeowell
So anyone else tried the Hugo straight into a power amp? I have one here into a Nap160.
Posted on: 12 August 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Gary - and how does it sound? I have not tried this.

Simon

 

Posted on: 12 August 2014 by gary yeowell
So far so good Simon, need to spend some time with it this afternoon to get a handle on exactly what it's doing, but so far i've just been too busy enjoying the music. Will report back, different sound but i like it so far....