Where has the NDX into Hugo thread gone?

Posted by: Simon-in-Suffolk on 19 June 2014

Any ideas? 

There were some heated debates, but no more so than other recent exchanges on the forum, and those threads are still there...

i can only think of negative defensive reasons which I don't associate with Naim at all.. I hope it wasn't to do with that..perhaps the thread can go back into padded cell? It was a fairly useful resource for those wanting to use their Naim equipment with a Hugo source..

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by mikapoh

Hugo owners, 

 

May I ask if I were to splurge on a new Hugo to replace my nDAC/TXPS, what is the recommended coxial and interconnects (RCA to RCA)? 

 

Is there a huge difference in sound when we use different make of cables on the Hugo?

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by Hugh Craig

I was on a limited budget so went for a Mark Grant coax - recommended on these pages - and have been very happy with it (only £25).

I started off with budget RCA to RCA with din adaptor and found the sound quality much below what I experienced when I auditioned the Hugo so now have a Chord Chorus RCA to Din which made a huge difference.

I'm sure cables such Chord Signature or DC1/Hiline would be even better, but they are beyond my means at present.

Hugh 

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by SamS

I am using the supplied USB cable (connected to SB Touch) and also an AR Lunar RCA to DIN from Hugo to 552. Sounds excellent.

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by Steve J

I use an RCA-Din Hiline and it sounds very good. I haven't tried any other cables. I am trying to decide which (micro) USB cable to buy to replace a bog standard Apple cable. It sounds fine but I think it's possibly holding back the SQ of the hi res files. I haven't heard anything back from Wireworld.

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by james n

Is there much choice around for micro USB Steve ?

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by mikapoh:

Hugo owners, 

 

May I ask if I were to splurge on a new Hugo to replace my nDAC/TXPS, what is the recommended coxial and interconnects (RCA to RCA)? 

 

Is there a huge difference in sound when we use different make of cables on the Hugo?

 

 

 

 

Naim DC1 BNC-RCA & Chord Anthem2 RCA-DIN works well between NDX-Hugo-SN2.

 

G

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Mikapoh

Good to hear from you again..

 

I use a DC1 as the SPDIF interconnect between NDX and Hugo (BNC to RCA) with a large ferrite choke.

 

I use Morrow Audio MA6 interconnects which really seem to work fantastically well when connecting the Hugo to my 282. I use RCA to RCA directly (Copper Eichmann bullet connectors) - no adapter.

 

I did use a Hiline RCA to DIN but there is something about the MA6 that just seemed to sound and flow more naturally when connected to the Hugo

 

The Hugo is a remarkable piece of kit - and it does deserve a really neutral and transparent  audio interconnect.

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by pete T15

Having gained so much removing one adapter my attention has turned to another . I almost forgot that I have an Audioquest BNC adapter on my TQ blue digital cable . I got this cable for a steal on auction which is why i didn't buy a dedicated BNC-RCA cable. I wonder whether adapters have the same effect on digital cables ? 

 

Peter.

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by pete T15:

Having gained so much removing one adapter my attention has turned to another . I almost forgot that I have an Audioquest BNC adapter on my TQ blue digital cable . I got this cable for a steal on auction which is why i didn't buy a dedicated BNC-RCA cable. I wonder whether adapters have the same effect on digital cables ? 

 

Peter.

I found the RCA to BNC one I had temporarily on a cheapish QED whilst awaiting the DC1 to muck up the sound - One plug gold plated and the adapter steel.  Awful.

 

G

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by pete T15

Thanks Graeme , I thought that would be the case . I thought i had everything sorted but it seems not . I think i know what happens next ... £££ . I am very happy to keep my streamer as a transport but i may wait to buy a new cable until we know whether the next software update has similar connectivity options like the Mu-so ? Future proof (ish).

 

Peter.

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by Minigill

Hugo really does shine the higher up the cable ladder you go and that includes the USB.

 

Beg, borrow or steal from a dealer and give different ones a try.  I have heard USB Signature TA (unbelievable upgrade) with adaptor, and Anthem TA RCA.  I will be trying Signature TA RCA the weekend.  Other brands of course are available

 

The USB was a game changer, and transformed Hugo into another animal.

 

 

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by pete T15
Originally Posted by Minigill:

Hugo really does shine the higher up the cable ladder you go and that includes the USB.

 

Beg, borrow or steal from a dealer and give different ones a try.  I have heard USB Signature TA (unbelievable upgrade) with adaptor, and Anthem TA RCA.  I will be trying Signature TA RCA the weekend.  Other brands of course are available

 

The USB was a game changer, and transformed Hugo into another animal.

 

 

I've already made the call to see if i can borrow one . I'm looking at the TA anthem i think?

 

Peter. 

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by Steve J
Originally Posted by james n:

Is there much choice around for micro USB Steve ?

That's the current problem James. I would have thought the cable companies would jump at providing a micro USB cable given the success of the Hugo. I don't know whether to wait or use a type A with a micro adaptor.

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by pete T15
Originally Posted by Minigill:

Hugo really does shine the higher up the cable ladder you go and that includes the USB.

 

Beg, borrow or steal from a dealer and give different ones a try.  I have heard USB Signature TA (unbelievable upgrade) with adaptor, and Anthem TA RCA.  I will be trying Signature TA RCA the weekend.  Other brands of course are available

 

The USB was a game changer, and transformed Hugo into another animal.

 

 

Let us know how you get on?

 

Peter.

Posted on: 17 September 2014 by Minigill
Originally Posted by pete T15:
Originally Posted by Minigill:

Hugo really does shine the higher up the cable ladder you go and that includes the USB.

 

Beg, borrow or steal from a dealer and give different ones a try.  I have heard USB Signature TA (unbelievable upgrade) with adaptor, and Anthem TA RCA.  I will be trying Signature TA RCA the weekend.  Other brands of course are available

 

The USB was a game changer, and transformed Hugo into another animal.

 

 

Let us know how you get on?

 

Peter.

 

Will do Peter.  I also will have another adaptor (more secure !) that my dealer is lending me to try for the USB Signature, so will report back on that as well

 

Anthem is my own lead, but interested to hear how the Signature RCA performs !  If the Signature cable is white, I am in trouble... as he sent me Sarum instead

Posted on: 18 September 2014 by james n
Originally Posted by Steve J:
Originally Posted by james n:

Is there much choice around for micro USB Steve ?

That's the current problem James. I would have thought the cable companies would jump at providing a micro USB cable given the success of the Hugo. I don't know whether to wait or use a type A with a micro adaptor.

Yep - they'd make a killing with the current hugo mania

Posted on: 18 September 2014 by Foxman50
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

i thought I'd point out that Rob Watts, the Hugo designer, has posted on the headfi web site a level / colour coding chart. 

Therefore with the NAC 282 with 75mV input sensitivity (I assume Naim stated figures are RMS) then the optimum setting for Hugo could be orange, which is approx 100mV RMS for 0dB  full scale.  I will give this a try later to see if these reduced level into the 282 makes any difference other than giving more useful range on the NAC volume control.

Simon

Hi Simon

 

Did you or others come to any conclusion over whether there was any benefit to adjusting the volume output of Hugo

 

Graeme

Posted on: 18 September 2014 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by Foxman50:
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

i thought I'd point out that Rob Watts, the Hugo designer, has posted on the headfi web site a level / colour coding chart. 

Therefore with the NAC 282 with 75mV input sensitivity (I assume Naim stated figures are RMS) then the optimum setting for Hugo could be orange, which is approx 100mV RMS for 0dB  full scale.  I will give this a try later to see if these reduced level into the 282 makes any difference other than giving more useful range on the NAC volume control.

Simon

Hi Simon

 

Did you or others come to any conclusion over whether there was any benefit to adjusting the volume output of Hugo

 

Graeme

I've gone back to the 'bypass' setting into SN2 as it gives the best balance of volume range - very similar to that of the NDX direct.

 

G

Posted on: 18 September 2014 by Halloween Man

Graeme, what are your thoughts comparing the hugo sound with av bypass on and off? I've only had opportunity to have a short listen but I think I'm leaning towards av bypass on - seems slightly less emphasised/forced to my ears but I will need to listen again. I only had a hugo on loan and sadly after today have it no more (black version on order). It seems the power amp gain of the SN2 is quite high as the Hugo was just past red for moderate listening levels when av bypass was on.

Posted on: 18 September 2014 by Halloween Man
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

i thought I'd point out that Rob Watts, the Hugo designer, has posted on the headfi web site a level / colour coding chart. 

Therefore with the NAC 282 with 75mV input sensitivity (I assume Naim stated figures are RMS) then the optimum setting for Hugo could be orange, which is approx 100mV RMS for 0dB  full scale.  I will give this a try later to see if these reduced level into the 282 makes any difference other than giving more useful range on the NAC volume control.

Simon

Can I please pick your brain Simon - I use Supernait 2 with Input Sensitivity quoted at 130mV - what the optimum setting colour on the Hugo for me?

Posted on: 18 September 2014 by dayjay
Originally Posted by Halloween Man:
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

i thought I'd point out that Rob Watts, the Hugo designer, has posted on the headfi web site a level / colour coding chart. 

Therefore with the NAC 282 with 75mV input sensitivity (I assume Naim stated figures are RMS) then the optimum setting for Hugo could be orange, which is approx 100mV RMS for 0dB  full scale.  I will give this a try later to see if these reduced level into the 282 makes any difference other than giving more useful range on the NAC volume control.

Simon

Can I please pick your brain Simon - I use Supernait 2 with Input Sensitivity quoted at 130mV - what the optimum setting colour on the Hugo for me?

That's a great question.  I've been struggling with ny sn2 since I got it but once I lowered the output from the hugo sll my concerns vanished. Mines on bkue and it sounds great but I didn't like it at all with the volume bypass standard setting.

Posted on: 18 September 2014 by Halloween Man

dayjay so you have the av bypass set to off? why did you not like the sound with it on?

Posted on: 18 September 2014 by dayjay

I've not tried it with the sn2 av bypass on. I meant the hugo fixed volume setting

Posted on: 18 September 2014 by GraemeH
I meant the Hugo 'bypass' setting too - which is not bypassing any circuitry as I understand. Just setting a fixed volume.

G
Posted on: 18 September 2014 by Halloween Man

I also thought the Hugo line level out was too high for the SN2 preamp - somewhere between indigo - blue seemed better to me.

 

Try the SN2 'av bypass' switch, make sure you have the volume on the Hugo to low and see what you think.