Where has the NDX into Hugo thread gone?

Graeme

I totally respect your opinion and your viewpoint. I intended no criticism, You have heard it I havn't.

The Hugo may be a great step forward. If it is I guarantee that everybody else will be very quickly on the bandwagon and if so Naim will back date - see DR.

As I have said I'll wait and see, a sensible decision from where I sit.

Please let the NDS be better than the Hugo! Please don't let these people be right!

Hi Chris, 

i suspect there are quite a few audiophiles out there who reckon you can get a better recored player than your "signature" LP12 for a lot less money ;-)

Keith

So you will listen if people are still talking about it but in an earlier post recommend people to stop 'eulogising' it? Sounds strange to me.

Oh dear I just hope I don't dream of talking pigs tonight.....but I wonder what the embodiment of evil is???

I could say a few silly things and then claim the need for figurative interpretation. Better to just let people talk to those who want to listen (literally!) More talk, more experience, more opinions and less unhealthy censorship please.

Why wait 12 -18 months. Is it good now and are you in the market for an upgrade now. If the answer is yes then have a listen, if the answer is no then don't.

Not sure what the time period is about. If you say that about everything then you'll always be waiting.

You have considerable outlay in your NDS. But if it could, and i have no idea if it could, give you a better SQ by adding a Hugo, why would you not consider it. 

I certainly do not oppose it in any way shape or form but I guess that I am one of those hedging my bets at present. If the Hugo is truly a technological breakthrough then I expect a Naim response and in the overall context of my system it makes sense to wait for that rather than invest now and potentially need to 'change tack' 6-12 months down the line.

I recall spending an expensive 5 years chasing CD 'nirvana' before settling on a Naim solution and I don't want to repeat the experience.

Given the number of folks I know who've listened to the Hugo and are seriously impressed with it, I do not doubt that it's something special. If you're happy with what you've got, then don't listen to it (I've made that mistake a few times...).

I think we'd all welcome Naim coming out with a competitor to the Hugo. In one box please. And not too expensive. Thank you Naim in anticipation.

Or ......  considering the Hugo's other functions in addition to just DAC ..... preamp, volume control, bluetooth, various optical & coaxial & USB input sockets, analogue & 3 headphone outputs, switches lights & all housed in a box containing the battery ...... how about having that level of DAC as stnd inside some, if not all, Naim units  

Those eyebrows

Me too - though I suspect it was longer than 5 years for me. Naim taught me a lot about hifi - principally trust your ears and ignore the marketing hype.

The CD player prior to my CDX2 was an Arcam Alpha5+. In the lab it measured terribly - but it sounded different - it wasn't sterile or clinical - it almost sounded analogue - at that point I was bitten and Naim came into my life shortly afterwards.

Simon

There you go..

Hi Simon, i have read a lot of your older posts on the NDX -> NDAC + 555PS vs NDS + PS, just had a look today at your current profile and it looks like you have "retired" the NDAC+555PS in favor of the Hugo, do I read this correctly (you may have elaborated on that in the old Hugo thread so I may have missed relevant comments)?

G.

Wat - you've probably said a hundred times already .. but would you mind saying what your source is?

Mike-B wrote:

"Or ......  considering the Hugo's other functions in addition to just DAC ..... preamp, volume control, bluetooth, various optical & coaxial & USB input sockets, analogue & 3 headphone outputs, switches lights & all housed in a box containing the battery ...... how about having that level of DAC as stnd inside some, if not all, Naim units"  

You could also have added 'support for DSD' . Has Naim ever commented on its position with respect to possible future DSD support?

The small number of DSD files I have downloaded sound absolutely fantastic through the Hugo. However, I'm a bit put off by the cost of DSD album downloads I have checked out.  I also don't like the fact that I have to use USB and a media player on my laptop to play them. I'd prefer to be able to stream them via my ND5XS.

Hi @DrPo, I have indeed sold my NDAC/555PS, and they sold quite quickly.

I now have one empty Fraim shelf, and another Fraim shelf with a little Hugo sitting on it

Simon

Thanks Simon. Fascinating...

And how do you connect MM with the Hugo, did you make USB vs optical comparison ?

Thanks!

Hmack

you don't have to use USB, any input that supports 176.4 kHz can playback the DoP-format, so also SPDIF coax.

but you do need a PC because ND5XS won't play DoP.

Richard, is the old thread being re enabled. There was some good review info and comments, a lot of people spent some time compiling it including myself... and I kept no local copy.

if not can you make the thread available to be sent  as an email please for reference?

Simon

"Much deeper bass (bass perception depends upon the starting and finishing transients of the bass note)"

Source: the 'Hugo Technology' presentation on the Chord website

If my ears could detect the 4 microseconds of accuracy claimed to be important then all will agree I should be able to notice the starting and finishing transients of a bass note to that level of accuracy too. Stands to reason. Simple.

However, if I only have 22 microsecond samples (from a CD) then where does that 4 microsecond level of accuracy really come from? Interpolation can't tell me whether a transient began at 4, 8, 12, 16 or 18 microseconds between samples of 22 microseconds in length. This detail, if needed, is not found on CD.

Interpolation can only fill in the gaps between known points (22 microsecond samples). It cannot identify when something started before a known point (the next sample).

This apparent resurrection of information lost is intriguing to me. There has still been no plausible explanation of it despite all the discussion and the question having been asked. This leads me to wonder if there may be some smoothing of detail instead.

It would be good to hear an explanation. Does anyone know?

Are those mini B usb sockets on the Hugo?