Where has the NDX into Hugo thread gone?

Posted by: Simon-in-Suffolk on 19 June 2014

Any ideas? 

There were some heated debates, but no more so than other recent exchanges on the forum, and those threads are still there...

i can only think of negative defensive reasons which I don't associate with Naim at all.. I hope it wasn't to do with that..perhaps the thread can go back into padded cell? It was a fairly useful resource for those wanting to use their Naim equipment with a Hugo source..

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Louis-Andre
Hi Analog music,

I tried to post my comparison of Hugo vs Teddy, but my post never appeared.

Naim: did I offend any forum rule?
Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Richard Dane
Trigger word for moderation approval. The name of the maker triggers it - Also makes 3rd party PSUs, discussion of which is forbidden on this forum as it constitutes an unofficial modification.
Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Jan-Erik Nordoen

I'm curious to see how many of us have switched to the Hugo, and from what?

 

Answers on a postcard please.

 

(in my case, Naim DAC + 3rd party XPS).

 

Jan

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by HiFiman

nDac / XPS2 a while ago now Hugo. Same streamer UQ1 192.

 

Hugo is a game changer at an astonishing price point, Naim must have something up their sleeve

 

 

 

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Bart
Originally Posted by Jan-Erik Nordoen:

I'm curious to see how many of us have switched to the Hugo, and from what?

 

Answers on a postcard please.

 

(in my case, Naim DAC + 3rd party XPS).

 

Jan

Jan you missed your chance.  The proper request is, "Answers written on the back of a £50 note please."

 

Just send me 10% commission.  

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by linntroika
Originally Posted by HiFiman:

nDac / XPS2 a while ago now Hugo. Same streamer UQ1 192.

 

Hugo is a game changer at an astonishing price point, Naim must have something up their sleeve

 

 

 

I asked a question earlier in the thread , but no response , So ill try again - If i were to purchase a QU and attach a Hugo , would it make a difference if the UQ is the 96 or 192 Model ?

Im torn between a UQ and Mac Mini

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Jan-Erik Nordoen
Originally Posted by Bart:
Originally Posted by Jan-Erik Nordoen:

I'm curious to see how many of us have switched to the Hugo, and from what?

 

Answers on a postcard please.

 

(in my case, Naim DAC + 3rd party XPS).

 

Jan

Jan you missed your chance.  The proper request is, "Answers written on the back of a £50 note please."

 

Just send me 10% commission.  

Hi Bart,

 

I was never very good in business, science being more my thing... Next time, I'll consult you first. Assuming I can afford your fees...

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by HiFiman
Originally Posted by linntroika:
Originally Posted by HiFiman:

nDac / XPS2 a while ago now Hugo. Same streamer UQ1 192.

 

Hugo is a game changer at an astonishing price point, Naim must have something up their sleeve

 

 

 

I asked a question earlier in the thread , but no response , So ill try again - If i were to purchase a QU and attach a Hugo , would it make a difference if the UQ is the 96 or 192 Model ?

Im torn between a UQ and Mac Mini

Sorry linntroika, must have missed that post. I have owned both the UQ1 96 and 192 at the same time, no real difference between the two going into an external DAC but bare in mind 192 music.

Depends on budget but I would lean towards the UQ2 as UQ1 are hard to find on the used market but if you can find one these go from £600 upwards, UQ2 £1150.00 new.

No experience with the MAC mini but once I owned a SB Touch into my nDac/XPS2, then purchased the UQ1 96 model, marked uplift in quality but this may be different with the MAC Mini.

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by SamS
Originally Posted by Jan-Erik Nordoen:
 

Answers on a postcard please.

DAC journey as follows:

 

SB Touch - on its own, then via:

 

Naim DAC

 

Naim DAC + 555PS

 

Micromega MyDac - the first hint that a fortune need not be spent on a DAC. The MyDac benefitted     from  Async USB from the Touch and while not as good as the NDAC + 555PS, it was never embarrassed, and given the price difference it stayed and helped fund a used 552 DR.

 

DAC V1 - was hoping to retire a Headline and PS but alas the headphone out of the V1 was not as good, so when the Hugo came along I was happy to give it a try, and very glad I did. 

 

Sam

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Tabby cat

Getting mine tomorrow afternoon.I have never used an external dac before but well excited especially from what I have read on the Hugo thread about it sounding extremley analouge in its voicing,with new detail coming threw.Its on dem loan but I have a gut feeling that its going to be a stayer 

I think this could be my digital side of my system sorted for a good few years.

 

Does the Hugo warm up over a week or sound great from the off ?

 

Really great thread its not often that a product comes out that really shakes the market up.

 

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Jan-Erik Nordoen
Originally Posted by Tabby cat:

Does the Hugo warm up over a week or sound great from the off ?

I found that it could - depending on the system and the choice of music - sound a bit thin during the first couple of weeks. Most noticeable when feeding my NAC 82, which some have found to sound a bit thin... No problems when used with the Supernait2, provided that the Hugo remains plugged in to the charger.

 

Jan

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by PhilP
Originally Posted by Jan-Erik Nordoen:

I'm curious to see how many of us have switched to the Hugo...

 

Jan

 

The number of posts make it seem like a lot but a quick analysis shows that it's a few people posting over and over and over again... Still it's great that there's so much enthusiasm for the Hugo.  Can't check the old thread but I would guess it's only 10-12 individuals who've actually posted on the forum.

 

Also, its not a straightforward question to answer as a number of people haven't actually switched they've just added a Hugo to their existing system 

 

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by whsturm
I'd agree with earlier comments about using it in fixed level volume output as a stand-alone DAC. Simply hold down the 'crossfeed' button as you switch it on to enter this mode. It is also worth checking that you aren't applying crossfeed processing to the signal...press the crossfeed button repeatedly until the crossfeed LED light blinks out.
 
 
Originally Posted by Louis-Andre:

Dear Simon/all,

 

Reading all the good comments on this forum, I went and ordered one for a home demo. It is now sitting on my rack and playing for the last hour.

 

A comment first: I have not been able to find any good coax digital cable that works with the Hugo. That is pretty annoying... so I had to use the supplied optical cable to connect the Dac to my streamer...

 

My observations so far:

1) to get to the same sound level I am used to with my teddyDac, I now need to adjust significantly the volume control of my Nac 252 (for example, I need to dial the 252 at 10 or 11 o clock  vs 9 o'clock when I listen to the TeddyDac. Has anyone observed that as well? Or is there something wrong?

2) After 1 hour of listen, I am puzzled as I do not hear what I was expecting to hear. The sound is "ok", with a good analogue feel to it...but that is it basically.  I was expecting a lot of details, but actually it is on par with the teddy (to my ears at least). I was expecting also a bigger soundstage and better drive, it is actually a smaller window (vs my previous CDS3 and definitely vs the Teddy Dac...much better space) and it feels much less dynamic than the Teddy Dac...

 

I have high respect to all people on this forum, and I do not want to insult anyone. I guess something is wrong in my set up. Has anyone tried with the supplied optical cable? Any similar experiences?

 

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by analogmusic
Thanks for posting this Louis-Andre
 
It's very interesting to me how the TD is able to hold it's ground against this new technology from Chord.
 
Based on what you hear, if you had to make one choice, which one would you keep?
 
Also based on what you hear now, would you make the same purchase of the chord product again?
 
I guess I might make a purchase decision myself so thanks for posting, again.
 
 
Originally Posted by Louis-Andre:
I have been comparing the Teddy Dac to the Hugo for the past 4 hours now. Because I could not get any of my digital coax cable (arrgghh!) to fit the Hugo, I used the supplied optical. For Teddy, I used my Audioquest Coffee coax. 
 
Hugo: sound is as analogue as with the TeddyDac (absolutely no difference in my view). The sounds seems a bit more "organized" than with the teddyDac, and I perceive a little bit more details here and there, especially on tracks like eg. Yello album (Yeah 2009 version). Rhythm is good, but no better than Teddy. Bass is very well defined, but for sure lighter than TeddyDac. 
TeddyDac: sounds is very analogue (same as Hugo in my view). Sound is to my ear more dynamic than with Hugo . For example, the song Sultans of Swing (Dire Strait) just seem more fun and engaging via TeddyDac. On the other hand, the image via Teddy is a bit less precise than with Hugo...on the other hand, the Teddy appears more musical to my ears..
 
Not sure one is better than the other frankly...to me they just have different strengths and flavours
 
Will continue listening and will post more later
 
 
Originally Posted by analogmusic:

Keen to know how it compares with Teddy Dac once you have normalised the volume issue.

 

 

 

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Marky Mark
Originally Posted by analogmusic:
Thanks for posting this Louis-Andre
 
It's very interesting to me how the TD is able to hold it's ground against this new technology from Chord.
 
Based on what you hear, if you had to make one choice, which one would you keep?
 
Also based on what you hear now, would you make the same purchase of the chord product again?
 
I guess I might make a purchase decision myself so thanks for posting, again.
 
 
Originally Posted by Louis-Andre:
I have been comparing the Teddy Dac to the Hugo for the past 4 hours now. Because I could not get any of my digital coax cable (arrgghh!) to fit the Hugo, I used the supplied optical. For Teddy, I used my Audioquest Coffee coax. 
 
Hugo: sound is as analogue as with the TeddyDac (absolutely no difference in my view). The sounds seems a bit more "organized" than with the teddyDac, and I perceive a little bit more details here and there, especially on tracks like eg. Yello album (Yeah 2009 version). Rhythm is good, but no better than Teddy. Bass is very well defined, but for sure lighter than TeddyDac. 
TeddyDac: sounds is very analogue (same as Hugo in my view). Sound is to my ear more dynamic than with Hugo . For example, the song Sultans of Swing (Dire Strait) just seem more fun and engaging via TeddyDac. On the other hand, the image via Teddy is a bit less precise than with Hugo...on the other hand, the Teddy appears more musical to my ears..
 
Not sure one is better than the other frankly...to me they just have different strengths and flavours
 
Will continue listening and will post more later
 
 
Originally Posted by analogmusic:

Keen to know how it compares with Teddy Dac once you have normalised the volume issue.

 

 

 

This is interesting as the TD has been around a few years now. I know it has a fairly standard DAC chip which is used in various hi-fi components plus JFETS. I think the main sell is the way it is powered.

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

This is interesting, and reading other fora elsewhere where the TD and the Hugo are compared, preference seems mixed but tends to side with the one mentioned titled in this thread... But the TD does seem to add a little more excitement and sparkle some comments say, and perhaps for so some systems / personal preferences that may well be preferable.

what I love about the Hugo is that it doesn't add excitement.. It plays it as it is.. But I can imagine in some systems that might leave the overall result uninspiring, just as In other systems the TD could make the sound too hot.

Isn't  it great to have a choice? 

 

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Marky Mark
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

This is interesting, and reading other fora elsewhere where the TD and the Hugo are compared, preference seems mixed but tends to side with the one mentioned titled in this thread... But the TD does seem to add a little more excitement and sparkle some comments say, and perhaps for so some systems / personal preferences that may well be preferable.

what I love about the Hugo is that it doesn't add excitement.. It plays it as it is.. But I can imagine in some systems that might leave the overall result uninspiring, just as In other systems the TD could make the sound too hot.

Isn't  it great to have a choice? 

 

Read someone saying over time the Hugo was not as satisying as they initially thought. Too smooth.

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by George J

I am coming back here so as to reply to Jan Erik, but in the interval it interesting to find the first voices of criticism of the Hugo - as not necessarily as fine as another DAC. 

 

I am actually not interested in an alternative DAC compared to the superb one I run already as it is as good as brand new, and so the Hugo is off the RADAR for me, but I have no doubt that by the time mine is up for a full service or replacement Naim will have improved on their implementation of DAC technology!

 

My earlier points where more to to do with "the extra Octave!"

 

I have been doing some real experiments with sine wave samples [as WAV downloads] replayed with iTunes, and can confirm that with ESLs and also headphone that the lowest note in music - the 16 foot organ rank of "C" [at 33 Hertz] - is clearly audible as a pure sine wave without any apparent overtone harmonics. Lower samples were audible to some extend, but I'll keep my tinder dry for the response to Jan, ... and Frank F ...

 

ATB from George

 

 

 

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Camlan

There is a lot of talk of 'analogue' on this thread. This sounds analogue that sounds analogue.

 

Can I respectfully suggest that if you want analogue, go and buy a decent turntable and some LPs. I promise you that will be truly jaw dropping.

 

i'll get me coat!

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by George J

Now there is analogue, and there is LP. LP is certainly analogue, but far from the best analogue system - and jaw dropping it certainly is not!

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Marky Mark
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

This is interesting, and reading other fora elsewhere where the TD and the Hugo are compared, preference seems mixed but tends to side with the one mentioned titled in this thread... But the TD does seem to add a little more excitement and sparkle some comments say, and perhaps for so some systems / personal preferences that may well be preferable.

what I love about the Hugo is that it doesn't add excitement.. It plays it as it is.. But I can imagine in some systems that might leave the overall result uninspiring, just as In other systems the TD could make the sound too hot.

Isn't  it great to have a choice? 

 

Simon, you run a 282 right? To my ears that has always been quite a bold pre-amp (in a good way). I think perhaps one reason you don't mind that the Hugo doesn't add excitement is because the 282 does. Possible?

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Louis-Andre
Hi Analogmusic,
 
I am pretty sure I will stick to my TeddyDac for now. While the Hugo is a little bit more resolving and sounds a little bit more "sophisticated", I find the TeddyDac is the one that sounds the most like a turntable, and the one I find most charming. The Hugo is pretty good though, maybe if I had no Teddy I would buy it... But I do not consider so far the move from TeddyDac to Hugo very worthwile.... Prefer to wait a bit more, see how thechnology will evolve the next 2 years...
 
 
 
Originally Posted by analogmusic:
 
 
 
 
 
Thanks for posting this Louis-Andre
 
It's very interesting to me how the TD is able to hold it's ground against this new technology from Chord.
 
Based on what you hear, if you had to make one choice, which one would you keep?
 
Also based on what you hear now, would you make the same purchase of the chord product again?
 
I guess I might make a purchase decision myself so thanks for posting, again.
 
 
Originally Posted by Louis-Andre:
I have been comparing the Teddy Dac to the Hugo for the past 4 hours now. Because I could not get any of my digital coax cable (arrgghh!) to fit the Hugo, I used the supplied optical. For Teddy, I used my Audioquest Coffee coax. 
 
Hugo: sound is as analogue as with the TeddyDac (absolutely no difference in my view). The sounds seems a bit more "organized" than with the teddyDac, and I perceive a little bit more details here and there, especially on tracks like eg. Yello album (Yeah 2009 version). Rhythm is good, but no better than Teddy. Bass is very well defined, but for sure lighter than TeddyDac. 
TeddyDac: sounds is very analogue (same as Hugo in my view). Sound is to my ear more dynamic than with Hugo . For example, the song Sultans of Swing (Dire Strait) just seem more fun and engaging via TeddyDac. On the other hand, the image via Teddy is a bit less precise than with Hugo...on the other hand, the Teddy appears more musical to my ears..
 
Not sure one is better than the other frankly...to me they just have different strengths and flavours
 
Will continue listening and will post more later
 
 
Originally Posted by analogmusic:

Keen to know how it compares with Teddy Dac once you have normalised the volume issue.

 

 

 

 

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Mark I certainly feel if your system needs to have a source with a kick in it with sparkle, and perhaps a   less tightly resolved bass then the Hugo would not be for you.. But in all honesty if you want added punch and bite i do think the NDAC/555PS is hard to beat. It worked for me until my tastes evolved.

 

louis if you can, do try a coax lead, to my ears that is the best interface on the Hugo, especially with a quality digital source, although it's designer does prefer the optical.

Simon

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by Camlan
Originally Posted by George J:
 
 Murders any digital system I've ever heard, particularly where the master is analogue. I could expand but bed calls!
 
 
 

Now there is analogue, and there is LP. LP is certainly analogue, but far from the best analogue system - and jaw dropping it certainly is not!

 

ATB from George

 

Posted on: 11 July 2014 by George J
Originally Posted by Camlan:
Originally Posted by George J:
 
 Murders any digital system I've ever heard, particularly where the master is analogue. I could expand but bed calls!
 
 
 

Now there is analogue, and there is LP. LP is certainly analogue, but far from the best analogue system - and jaw dropping it certainly is not!

 

ATB from George

 

A potentially highly confusing post of yours, but the LP in my experience was certainly outclassed in musical terms by RED book CD from the early 90s if not actually sooner.

 

ATB from George