Fashion

Posted by: Char Wallah on 12 March 2011

In an ever changing world of fads and gimmicks, it is reassuring to know that some things are perennially cool. Vinyl replay is one of those; never have I regretted my vinyl collection.

What about the dark underside of fashion though?

I look back in horror at my teenage years when I used to wander around with a blonde "wedge" haircut, drainpipe jeans and parka. I had to "flick" my hair out of my left eye every two seconds.

 For years, after I had a more sensible hair do, my head would still suddenly jerk to the side convulsively during a conversation; the phantom wedge lodged in my memory like a nervous tic or conditioned reflex.

And there were the slang words :
         
           "wicked" ~ good.
            "mega"  ~ good.
           "sound" ~ good.
           "go for it" ~ do it.
          "gripper" ~ a person born of parents not married to each other.
           "old gripper" ~ see above.
           "know what i mean" ~ ibid.

O.K.; maybe you weren't as stupid as me. Maybe you have always been a sharp dresser; although you may have enjoyed a trundle along the high street in your brand spanking new Sinclair C5?

 Remember Soda Streams; what party would be complete without one? Along with Von Dankien's "Chariot of the Gods" on the coffee table and Edward De Bono's latest theories as major topic of discussion. 

Use this thread to "fess up" your fashion disasters, or denounce your friends for their shell suits. "It's the latest thing, man", everyone is doing it.
Posted on: 12 March 2011 by Mike-B
Every age had its own language, slang & phases.
My "age" was the sixties & it for sure had its own language 

The street slang thing that concerns me today is some kids are becoming incapable of normal English so much so that its making them incapable of job applications & so forth. Its not just the slang, its added to a slang language structure & an accent that mimicks a mix of afrocarrabean & asian.
Posted on: 12 March 2011 by The Strat (Fender)
Teenage years in the 70s and I became a serious "rock head" so I think I adopted a Melody Maker like interpretation with regard to everything - confused all the old ladies I was working with at the time! Must say I like the American writers Burroughs etc.

Fortunately our eldest daughter is studying Art History at university and is looking to a career in publishing and the youngest is studying English at A level so both refuse to use text speak and modern corruption of the language.

As for fashion - no never really but Mrs Strat has a serious clothes habit - but she works for it and deserves it all.
Posted on: 12 March 2011 by garyi
I take it the OP is from manchester.

Most of these issues never made it down south. No one ever said 'sound' in the context of good. Ever.
Posted on: 12 March 2011 by mudwolf
Oh groovy a topic to bare my soul and misdeeds.  Like, you know, I kinda had to grow up in the 60s too. I had serious language and speaking problems because I was so timid.  Not now tho, I'm 57 and been thru hell, it makes you speak up, be literate and proactive.

Yes we all go thru dork stages.  High school last 2 years in CA I had long hair, my clothes were completely out because I"d moved from Philly, mom wouldn't let me wear jeans.  End of college in 76 I graduated with shoulder length hair and a scrawny beard.  Mom just hated it. LOL Can't stand the pics now.  Coming home she said "oh look your hair is receding"...  IT WAS!

by 79 I was a landscaper, long hair was a mess and crew cuts came back, I shaved it all off and had to use baseball caps and worn work boots, flannel plaid shirts and Ts. Much better time of my life, lean, fit and well adjusted to beach life in beautiful Laguna. Still keep my hair very short. I also have better control of my clothes after many art classes and seeing what's out there. I do like color and can combine odd ones in Ts and over shirts.

I can even spiff up in sport coats for opera and mom for dinners. Christmas pic
Posted on: 12 March 2011 by Dungassin
Don't really remember the slang (teenager in the 60s), but I was guilty of having one of those "Jason King" type moustaches from 20 - 23.  The only problem was that I used to chew the bits at the angle of my mouth, leaving a little gap there on each side. 

I shaved it off not long after I got married.  SWMBO didn't recognise me when I came out of the bathroom!
Posted on: 13 March 2011 by BigH47
No fashion faux pas in my past, thank goodness,
Posted on: 13 March 2011 by Dungassin
Originally Posted by Char Wallah:
You went for the Jason King look, Dungassin? Imagining yourself as something of an action man. Did you ever own a "gun clock"? Cor!
Not exactly.  I just mentioned Jason King because I thought that many wouldn't know what I meant if I said "viva sapata", which is IIRC what the style was actually called.  It was one of those "in" things in the early seventies.     I even had a lurex shirt in 1966 when I was 17  (thought it looked cool, but in old photos I can see that I just looked like a pillock)
Posted on: 13 March 2011 by BigH47
What's a tie?
Posted on: 13 March 2011 by PJT
My fashion rebellion was the mid/late eighties at varsity.  OK we were mostly farm kids and dressed accordingly anyway, but we made it a special point that when we went on our winter skiing pilgramages, Jeans and a Bush Shirt was the chosen gear instead of the poncingly naff skin tight one piece suits that were then the vogue.  (although they did look good on the shiela's...)
Posted on: 14 March 2011 by PJT
Originally Posted by Char Wallah:
Varsity? Naff? Shielas? Do you mean university; kitsch; women? PJT, this use of slang hasn't thrown the wool over my eyes. Trying to come on hip, when you're really a "toff"! Winter skiing pilgrimages indeed. I thought only the jetset and Prince Charles and that lot went on winter skiing holidays.

Looking at your avatar though I can see your TT ain't naff. Nice one mate! Ignore me if I sound like a drongo to you.
Char Wallah:

If you check my profile, you will see I reside in Christchurch, New Zealand.  Here in "Gods Own" the ski fields are an hours drive, so everyone ski's.  Luckily also there are no snobbish upper class toffs here either.
Also the slang seems be different as well.  I used naff to refer to over the top, pomcy even, and of course we inherited the word shiela from our Aussie neighbours over the ditch.
Posted on: 14 March 2011 by BigH47
Originally Posted by Char Wallah:
Originally Posted by BigH47:
What's a tie?

A fashionable garment worn around the neck with a shirt, usually for formal occasions. I bet aul BigH has a few silk ones in his drawer, next to his arty cravats.
That's a bet you would lose.
Posted on: 14 March 2011 by Dungassin
Originally Posted by BigH47:
Originally Posted by Char Wallah:
Originally Posted by BigH47:
What's a tie?

A fashionable garment worn around the neck with a shirt, usually for formal occasions. I bet aul BigH has a few silk ones in his drawer, next to his arty cravats.
That's a bet you would lose.
When I retired, I told SWMBO that in future if an event specified "tie" etc I wouldn't go.  Alas,she overrules me about 4 times a year.  Still, I only own 3 ties, 2 long-sleeved shirts and 2 suits now.  Spend the majority of my time in t-shirts, shorts, jeans etc.  
Posted on: 25 March 2011 by Conortsun
shizzle, indeed.
Posted on: 08 April 2011 by JWM

As the only child of older parents whose teenage heyday was in the War (and don't let me forget it), the fantastic years of '70s passed me by almost completely, fashionwise.  Even at that age I had imposed upon me an almost-unrelenting diet of corduroy and tweed - in my parents' view nourishing and reliable clothing.  (The amazing thing is that I did manage to have some friends!).  And my hair has always been the same length (apart from being a bit thinner now, the only thing that is...)

 

I did get away with three things : a fantastic pair of blue, red, yellow and black diagonally-striped jeans; a pair of Wranglers; and a Parka sneaked in from the army surplus stall of Ipswich Market (next door to where we lived), worn with my black school suit (uniform) and white shirt, a friend's dad's '60s original Austin Reed thin black knitted tie, oh and a pair of tasselled loafers I remember my mum buying me when my dad wasn't looking.

 

How I ever got away with it at Rory Gallagher let alone Motorhead, I'll never know...

Posted on: 17 April 2011 by George Fredrik

I hate fashion, especially when it comes to haunt me such as the current vogue for flat caps. No better headware for work and non-posh getting about, or sporting persuits has been invented for British conditions, and though I have been wearing them for more than have a normal life-span, most of the time it was something people would laugh at. Now you see the youth culture producing the extra-ordinary phenomenon of a man wearing pre-aged jeans half way down his buttocks in spite of them being affixed with a more than adequate belt, wearing some terrible sweatshirt, and topping off with a flat cap! My goodness, I think I'll have to get a trilby or homberg till the fashion changes!

 

One paritcular hobby of mine is building up, maintaining and using old-style English cycles. If one considers the high performance and high speed road bike, often called a racer, then of course the new technologies of carbon fibre frames and indexed multiple gears do offer a degree of lightness and convenience not matched by the very fine [and incredibly durable] lugged steel frames, but at the other end of the market, designed for urban use with no particular aim at speed or high energy conversion efficiency why would anyone need a multi speed index geared bike when the three speed Sturmey Archey hub is more than sufficient, easy to maintain, and bomb proof if you do not insist on standing on the pedals to make progess. It is not as if you cannot loose a chain with the most advanced indexed derailleurs systems. The rohloff hubs is probaly the real solution of at nearer to £1000 than anything else.

 

My guess that this sort of classic English bike [of which I have just obtained an example - a rebuilt Elswick Hopper - see picture below] is highly unlikely to return to temporary vogue! Yet it is clearly more suited to the task that many mountain bikes or even modern and over-weight modern town-bikes are!

 

Today I gave it a good service, having bought it on Tuesday for the pricely sum of £70. Not enough to take seriously, even as an anti-fashion statement. It is a delightfully simple machine that does what it says on the tin with no fuss, or pretentions to performance it does not have!

 

 

Another fad that has faded, fortunately for me, who uses two truly historic ones, is the tendency of fashionable young bucks to wear a pocket watch! Fortunately for me the tell tale chain is no longer fashionable!

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 19 April 2011 by George Fredrik

I reckon that young man should get a proper hair cut!

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 20 April 2011 by Eloise
Re: language



I remember going to an authors reading / Q&A session and he (sorry I don't recall who the author was) commented how with all the text speak developing, in 10 years time the yooof of today will be able t understand Ulysses.



Eloise
Posted on: 07 May 2011 by BigH47

Char are you related to George? He can keep a thread going on his own too. 

Posted on: 07 May 2011 by George Fredrik
Originally Posted by BigH47:

Char are you related to George? He can keep a thread going on his own too. 

Dear Howard,

 

One facility lost with the new forum format is the views count that was displayed formerly. At least when I kept a thread going, even if there were few additional posts from others, I could at least see whether what I had posted was of interest to people. Now I have no clue. Not that it makes a huge difference. Once the Carlton is finally built up that thread will fade out, as the Polish thread has. Only one thread to make - here in the Cell - now when I build my single driver speakers. As far as the forum goes, I'll keep an eye on it from time to time, but I have next to no interest in discussing serious issues in world or personal events on the forum now given that anything remotely contentious is prone to what I would call off-colour and trolling-style posts, all too often these days. Just the way things go, and a sign that I am getting less tolerant as I have entered my fifth decade. Time for younger blood to set a new style, and it's happening before our very eyes ...

 

Best wishes from George

Posted on: 08 May 2011 by George Fredrik

And there was I thinking that posting about ancient [classical Italian cycle component] NOS Regina "America" [ISO] freewheels of 13-14-15-17-19-21 versus the 13-14-15-16-17-18 tooth-sprockets and a Campagnolo New Record [144 BCD] low front chainwheel of 41 teeth compared to the standard of 42 was far too esoteric for my solo Carlton [classical British cycle] thread! Mr Wallah, you give me confidence yet.

 

Clearly in old cycle running gear what you have to avoid is mixing Anglo/Italian ISO with Japanes JIS parts, because even though JIS is based on BS, and so is ISO, JIS invariably makes enough tollerance differences for them not to fit for a durable connection with ISO or BS ...JIS means Japanese Industry Standard ... Strangely BS is often called English by the Italians, though Italian ISO is identical to BS ... Hence the ease of fitting Italian ISO or Italian made BS [often called English] on British made cycles,. Only Italian Bottom Bracket don't follow the rule! Their threads run backwards, and come loose - see Sheldon Brown on the madness of the backward threads on Italian Bottom Brackets ...

 

 

ATB from George

 

[Clearly what I was thinking of is hardly fashionable, however!]

Posted on: 08 May 2011 by George Fredrik

A watch that was grand in 1905 - a British Army Eterna [Swiss made 15 jewel in a strong nickel case] - in a photo taken in October 2010 on holiday in Poland. Everything I do is fashionable! If fashionable when made if it still works well how can become out of fashion?

 

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 10 May 2011 by George Fredrik

Dear Mr Wallah,

 

From time to time I'll post something out of the way here!

 

Have look through three pages of the "New Carlton Thread," though it has to be admitted that the Carlton is by no means new, but the thread is the second or third about the gradual rescue of a great old English 'cycle.

 

For some best period Italian bicycle running gear on a more than just fine old style English racing frame - you may enjoy photographs and commentary ...

 

The Carlton Cycle Company offered the very first handle bar operated [Campagnolo] gear shifting system on their top bikes in the early 1960s, and before the decline in the 1980s regularly offered their cycles with the best Italian running gear, as did Holdsworth. English geometry for frames is easier than Italian as a rule, but the Englsih frames had the benefit of Reynolds tubing on their side and this is not actually underestimated today, even if it is no longer fashionable.

 

My Carlton frame is in Reynolds 501 tubing, which was slightly heavier than the best 531 tubing but so robust that the slight weight gain is arguably more than accounted for in service and ability to survive accidents. When I took the frame for restoration at Argos Racing Cycles in Bristol, they were delighted to see a 501 frame given another 25 years life. People throw them out as 531 is the fashion! But 501 can be repaired in the field as it were. Ride across India, and if [and it is very rare] a brased joint starts to fail, then it can be repaired by a village blacksmith with nothing more than a blow touch, skill, and some silver brasing solder ... And they do repair bikes this way in the less fashionable parts of the world.

 

531 is a bit lighter, but so easy to ruin in a repair ...

 

ATB from George

 

PS: Here she is looking quite fine last autumn:

 

Posted on: 13 May 2011 by George Fredrik

 

I think we have to address the question of how much "Joe-public, Mr. and Mrs. Tax-payer" should subsidise the transport of people who want to live in a place that they cannot afford to from the transportation cost point of view if the expenses were not subbventioned from the public purse ...

 

I see no reason for the general taxpayer to subsidise transport at all; in the same way I see no reason for the state subventioned "Arts Council" to exist. People should plan their transport costs, and expect no help, and no art, or music lover should expect low paid hard working people to fund live music making in the provinces so that they can get cheap seats for minority interest music and so forth ...

 

I would be as appalled if professional football were to be state supported ...

 

Given that [correctly state provided] health care is already rationed over the price of treatment, and also educational for all is certainly finance limited and in some cases well below acceptable minimum standards, to support frippery is a disordering of logic ...

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 14 May 2011 by Stephen Tate
Originally Posted by Char Wallah:

...it's a pity that the Government are planning to "wield the axe" yet again to public transport.


 

The government will do anything to make things a catch 22 for the not so well off and then lecture them about going green....and saving their planet

Posted on: 28 May 2011 by Tony Lockhart
Bored.