Usage problems with NDX

My humble squeezebox Touch manages fast forward and back over wireless absolutely perfectly - you can advance or rewind a track to any point using the slider bar on the touch screen display - and shows the exact amount of time being advanced or reversed. Works through my iPeng app remote control too, so that's two lots of wireless. 'Nearly impossible'? No!

Personally I rarely use FF and RWD since the demise of tape.

If it can be delivered with no lose of quality, fine. If there is a trade off then I'd happily do without it.

M

So does my SB Classic. BTW: Even a Linn KDS offers free navigition within a title. So it shouldn't impede sound quality too much.

I beleive UPNP supports the seek command - that goes to a point in time in a file. It seems it should be possible to achieve a rewind or fast forward capability with this function without affecting buffer sizes mentioned in an earlier post etc - and therefore no impact on quality of playback, perhaps its just a matter of time before this is implemented by Naim?
Simon

Why would seek (locational scrub) not affect buffer quality in a gapless-playback system?

Why should it?

It is a buffer. Just reset a pointer or two, and start buffering the new packets. What is the 'buffer quality' concept? A buffer either has stuff in it, or doesn't. Shouldn't be any problem keeping stuff in it over any kind of network in any order you like. A playlist can be advanced or reordered; fast forward is just the same kind of thing, but on a smaller scale.

Ollix



I never used ff on cd either, we had it just because it came as part of red book standard I believe. I can see as someone suggested as part

of a pro mode or job function it may be useful but not in my life. iradio maybe when listening to podcasts.

fast forward/reverse is sometimes helpful, but something I could give up for the sake of sound quality. I am not sure though, that's the reason it is not working in NDX. Why do the buttons exist on the remote control? What does the note in the user manual "with system automation" mean?
"(reverse) Fast reverse audio
(with system automation)
(forward) Fast forward audio
(with system automation)"

I really suggest to listen to NDX first and than start discussion about functions:-)

I had a MDS and really didn' t miss any function for NDX now!

..just my 2 cents..



Enjoy music,



Ralf

Dave, I have no idea why you are talking about  scrubs etc, I was referring to a seek function that identifies a point in time or index in a file. Buffers are there at various levels to ensure there is always data to feed the DAC, with seek, you start playback again at a different point and the buffers fill as if the the track is starting from the beginning as if you hit play. Are you perhaps thinking of cueing  etc where you can speed up and slow down the playback around a point, that is more complicated, and goes way beyond a simple rewind or forward command.



Simon

Well, some of us use music replay for purposes other than passive listening. As a working musician required to learn covers I am often in the position of having to work out how to play certain passages, which need repeat listening. We have always needed and been able to do this since the days of lifting the needle back. Obviously, I have clever computerised aids to replay loops at any speed I want, but sometimes I need access to the music at the highest possible resolution, and that means my Naim system. The inability to select part of a track to listen to is clearly an omission in any current replay system.
I have been waiting (with my Squeezebox) until the NDX was available to compare with the DS. Fast forward and rewind may not seem important to your listening, but could very well determine my purchase decision, and I doubt if I am in any way unique as a customer. An announcement on a software revision would be wise in my view.

No offence, but isnt it what the customer wants, thats important ??


At the mo i have a Linn DS with my Naim system, but i was hoping on replacing it with a NDX, but
if the rewind / fast-forward / pause functions arent going to implemented in the future, then im
going to have to stick with my Linn DS.  Sorry, its a must-have function for me.....

It doesn't seem to degrade anything in my system.  Maybe that is the JRMC buffers and memory playback though.

This is just another reason to go the route of a media player/upnp server and control that, not the Naim renderer.  Or maybe forgo UPNP altogether and go with a dedicated computer approach (like a Serve with a legit media player), directly to NDX, DAC etc...

Not that I have any vested interest (now), but seeking is standard fare.  I use it often.  I like setting a 10 second jump forward/back in my media players. 

I am very surprised that neither Paul nor Dave have ever used it.  It seems everyone else has.

I use it VERY often for audiobooks.  I stream them to my iPhone via Plugplayer.
I used it last night about 20 times while A/Bing two masterings of Zappa's You Are What You Is.
Earlier last night at my buddy's house we were trying to find a particular Depeche Mode song and we were jumping throughout songs trying to find it (it turned out to be Everything Counts).

How is a scrub not completely essential for any distributed set-up?

Just my thoughts.
-Patrick

How else am I supposed to find my way through all of Thick As A Brick?

Oh cool.  At least the function in exists on the Serve.  HDX?

Is it the machines we are talking about here of just the apps?  Or both?

-Patrick

What are you saying?
The NDX, U-Serve & HDX do support rewind / F-Forward on their front panels?
But not on their respective control points, apps etc ??

Why is everything to do with streaming so damn confusing ??

For what it is worth, when I am not on my local network I lose scrubbing in PlugPlayer.  Although, If I am on my wifi it works wonderfully. 

I seriously recommend PP for those using UPNP.  Unless the nStream App can stream your library to your iPhone while away from home.  This is so nice in the car.

My iPad is now always tethered to my office system (crap) when I am there.  I showed everyone how to use PlugPlayer (easy), and anyone can select anything from my home library.

FYI the office system is comprised of 4 minty brown Bose 901s.  2 are hung from the ceiling with chains.  The other two sit above our entry on the original 901 stands (cool).  There is a basic Sony receiver with a Harmon Karden CD changer.

oh I forgot the BEST part.  While the iPad is doing its thing I can control IT with Plugplayer on my iPhone.  Even the volume slider works in this way.  Sweet.