What Router are you using?

Posted by: Big Bill on 03 July 2014

Hi I was just making a post about wireless routers in another thread and I thought it might be a good idea to get other people's thoughts on what routers they are using.

There is a motive for this, I currently run a BTHomeHub 2 and it has started to give a few problems recently - interestingly since I bought an iPad!

So I have 2 options the BT HomeHub 4 currently at about £50 or one of the Asus jobbies at about £100.

Any thoughts guys.

btw I only plug the broadband modem and a connection to a switch into the ports on the BT HH2.

Posted on: 03 July 2014 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by dave4jazz:

Slightly off topic but how many BT HomeHub customers realise that they are helping BT to provide an OpenZone hotspot using their home router? My next door neighbour has a BT HomeHub and it's a real pain as my portable devices will often connect to his HomeHub instead of my PlusNet supplied router. Can it be easily turned-off? I don't want to fall-out with them over it.

 

Dave

You need to reset your wifi automatic connections list in your PC/Laptop

I had to get into this last weekend after loosing my own phone connection & using whever around my neighbours had signed up to FON.  And yes as soon as you switch on it goes to find any old wireless thats it has been approved to link to thats set in its automatic connection list.

Find the right page & delete all those except your PlusNet.  

 

Simpulz

Posted on: 03 July 2014 by Harry

Indeed it is. Being of a somewhat selfish (when it comes to my money) disposition, this is a feature I make sure is disabled. And I take care to keep it that way. If BT can't afford to give it away they shouldn't expect me to.

Posted on: 03 July 2014 by dave4jazz
Originally Posted by Mike-B:
Originally Posted by dave4jazz:

Slightly off topic but how many BT HomeHub customers realise that they are helping BT to provide an OpenZone hotspot using their home router? My next door neighbour has a BT HomeHub and it's a real pain as my portable devices will often connect to his HomeHub instead of my PlusNet supplied router. Can it be easily turned-off? I don't want to fall-out with them over it.

 

Dave

You need to reset your wifi automatic connections list in your PC/Laptop

I had to get into this last weekend after loosing my own phone connection & using whever around my neighbours had signed up to FON.  And yes as soon as you switch on it goes to find any old wireless thats it has been approved to link to thats set in its automatic connection list.

Find the right page & delete all those except your PlusNet.  

 

Simpulz

I'm not sure there is a way of during this on android devices. At least I can't see any.

 

Dave

Posted on: 03 July 2014 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by Harry:

Indeed it is. Being of a somewhat selfish (when it comes to my money) disposition, this is a feature I make sure is disabled. And I take care to keep it that way. If BT can't afford to give it away they shouldn't expect me to.

Bah Humbug!

Posted on: 03 July 2014 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by dave4jazz:
 

I'm not sure there is a way of during this on android devices. At least I can't see any.

 

Dave

errr  I'm lost on that one,  but maybe a knowledgeable reader will tell us both how its done. 

In Windoz  you open  Internet\Network and Sharing Center - hit the line Manage Network Connections & you're in.  

 

Posted on: 03 July 2014 by dave4jazz
Originally Posted by Mike-B:
Originally Posted by dave4jazz:
 

I'm not sure there is a way of during this on android devices. At least I can't see any.

 

Dave

errr  I'm lost on that one,  but maybe a knowledgeable reader will tell us both how its done.

Any help will be gratefully accepted.

In Windoz  you open  Internet\Network and Sharing Center - hit the line Manage Network Connections & you're in.

My PC is not a problem as it's hard-wired (ethernet) to the router.

Dave

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by antony d

Have a BT home hub 3 but needed to install a switch to cope with the traffic - so Ethernet is connected

 

NAS - Switch - BT Homehub

 

the switch is connected to NDX,

 

it solved the issue with the signal being dropped outnA

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by Camlan

Draytek Vigor120 modem to Apple Airport Extreme. Netgear GS105 switch ethernet wired to Airport Extreme serving ethernet wired Unitiserve and NDS.

 

I ditched HH4 due to constant problems with rebooting during the night which was causing the exchange to cap broadband speed. This appears to be a common problem with HH4 and 5 which BT officially refuse to acknowledge - they closed a thread on their broadband forum after 32 pages!

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by jobseeker

I have BT Infinity 2  The HH3 and HH4 were generally ok, bearing in mind everything is routed via Cisco unmanaged switches. One or two wireless issues, more related to my Meridian Streaming than Naim, led me to substitute the HH for a current model Apple AirPort Extreme connected to the BT modem. No issues of any kind. 

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by antony d:

Have a BT home hub 3 but needed to install a switch to cope with the traffic - so Ethernet is connected

 

NAS - Switch - BT Homehub

 

the switch is connected to NDX,

 

it solved the issue with the signal being dropped outnA

Now what does that say about the switch/hub side of your BT HH3.  With my BT HH2 I has the same setup as you - it just made sense that way.  But it shouldn't.

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by antony d

Bill

 

don't have a choice on HH3 as work provide my internet, but it does say they BT routers don't have the best switch software - the forum helped in suggesting the installation of a switch between the router and NAS - NDX -

 

I am pleased it worked

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by Big Bill:
Now what does that say about the switch/hub side of your BT HH3.  With my BT HH2 I has the same setup as you - it just made sense that way.  But it shouldn't.

Are your assuming a Hub & a Switch does the same job ?? it doesn't.  

A Hub is supposed to be a combined switch & router, but this is not correct, most do not function as a true switch.

A hub will broadcast  data packets to all the devises on the network,  everything gets to see all the packets & is required to do something or not with the data. This puts lot of traffic unnecessary traffic on the network & results in slow response times.  In many cases the hub cannot handle the data & fails in one way or another. 

A switch is either the managed type thats required to be programmed by the installer, or the unmanaged types that “learn” the MAC addresses of the devises they are initially connected & to which they are connected.  A switch will only send relevant data to the programmed devises & this maximises system response time. 

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by scillyisles

I am on BT Infinity 2 and prior to this was on BT ADSL for many years.

In general, the modem/hub provided by your ISP is the cheapest possible mass produced device they can find. Every BT Homehub I have had from the very first versions to the latest has given problems. They now get disconnected and placed in a box.

I do not use the BT (Huawei ) Infinity modem either  BT do not match your Infinity modem to your cabinet as a previous poster seemed to imply - the Openreach engineer just uses whatever you were sent in the post. Some cabinets seem to have Huawei equipment whilst others seem to have Broadcomm. My cabinet uses Broadcomm. As soon as the Openreach engineer left the building I disconnected the BT HH4, switched off the Huawei Infinity modem and installed a Fritzbox 7390 VDSL modem which is a very capable device. The other option would have been one of the Draytek VDSL capable devices. The Fritzbox 7390 is rock solid and provides facilities and features that are very useful. I run quite a big home network so connection is BT Infinity --->Fritzbox7390 which then connects to Netgear GS108 plus another NETgear GS108 an Airport Extreme for 1st floor wireless coverage plus another Netgear GS108POE for POE enabled devices. My NDX and HDX plus SONOS W4S ZP90 are connected via a Netgear GS105 into one of the  4 LAN switch ports on the Fritzbox7390. Overall my home network consists of around half the 256 IP address space on the subnet and everything works very well.

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by Mr Frog

Draytek Vigor 120 modem into Apple Time Capsule  (PPPoE) for the wifi router and all Ethernet connections .(including NAS and ND5XS) ..... Works brilliant, as long as the Virgin broadband isn't playing up 

 

Never used a separate Switch ..... should I ?

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by james n
Originally Posted by Mr Frog:

Draytek Vigor 120 modem into Apple Time Capsule  (PPPoE) for the wifi router and all Ethernet connections .(including NAS and ND5XS) ..... Works brilliant, as long as the Virgin broadband isn't playing up 

 

Never used a separate Switch ..... should I ?

If it's working fine then I'd leave it alone.

 

James

 

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by phil. S

Billion 7800N rock solid for 3 years and highly recommended.

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by Mike-B:
Originally Posted by Big Bill:
Now what does that say about the switch/hub side of your BT HH3.  With my BT HH2 I has the same setup as you - it just made sense that way.  But it shouldn't.

Are your assuming a Hub & a Switch does the same job ?? it doesn't.  

A Hub is supposed to be a combined switch & router, but this is not correct, most do not function as a true switch.

A hub will broadcast  data packets to all the devises on the network,  everything gets to see all the packets & is required to do something or not with the data. This puts lot of traffic unnecessary traffic on the network & results in slow response times.  In many cases the hub cannot handle the data & fails in one way or another. 

A switch is either the managed type thats required to be programmed by the installer, or the unmanaged types that “learn” the MAC addresses of the devises they are initially connected & to which they are connected.  A switch will only send relevant data to the programmed devises & this maximises system response time. 

Are your assuming a Hub & a Switch does the same job ?? it doesn't.  

 

NO I never said that.  What I meant was that I am not sure what is in the BT HH (and other manufacturers) series of routers, is at a hub or is it a switch?  Which is why I say hub/switch, not because I think they are the same but because I don't know what it is.  It never seems to say in their documentation, I have scoured the BT documentation and I could not see any mention anywhere. I agree I would think that it is probably a hub - judging from the problems people seem to be having with some wireless routers.

 

I have always assumed this was the case and I always connect the router to a switch, so my hub only has a connection to the switch and the WAN connection, everything else (inc. a couple of other switches) is connected to this 'central' switch.  When you look at the prices of switches nowadays it seems the sensible thing to do.

 

Thanks for your explanation of differences between a hub and a switch but I was already quite aware of that already.

 

Not wishing to be picky but it is device not devise, or is that predictive text rearing its ugly head again.

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Mike - the HomeHub is a marketing term - it doesn't contain a network data hub, it contains a network data switch bridged to a router with an ADSL modem attached

 

Simon

 

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by Mike-B

Sorry Bill,  I was not aiming quite so pointedly at you, more to the forum in general supporting your position.  It was my rushing without a re-read check.  

& yes your right - devise is my bad - typical engineer problem, can't speel. 

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by Mike-B:

Sorry Bill,  I was not aiming quite so pointedly at you, more to the forum in general supporting your position.  It was my rushing without a re-read check.  

& yes your right - devise is my bad - typical engineer problem, can't speel. 

Y dohnt yu yuse a speel chekker den?  Eye du.

 

ps anyone know how to misspell "a"?

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by Mike-B

ay ???

 

I blame Bill Gates!!!

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by Big Bill
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

Mike - the HomeHub is a marketing term - it doesn't contain a network data hub, it contains a network data switch bridged to a router with an ADSL modem attached

 

Simon

 

I don't think that the name HomeHub caused Mike to think that it contained (perhaps you could comment Mike), it certainly was not the name that made me think it was possibly a hub.  Rather it seems that a lot of people have problems with it that disappear when they connect their kit to the BT HH via a switch.

 

btw where did you get this info because I could not find anything on the BT site, though I must admit I wasn't that curious so didn't spend a lot of time trying?

 

That's progress Mike, in the past we could blame Tony Blair for everything, this country had it's own 'Blame Focus Person (BFP)'/  Now we have to blame it on a Johnny Foreigner.

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by Bart
Originally Posted by dave4jazz:
I'm not sure there is a way of during this on android devices. At least I can't see any.

 

Dave

On iOS devices you can 'forget' a wireless network.  Automatic connection to a wireless network that you don't specifically enable is highly dangerous; lots of reports lately of hackers in public areas sending out wifi with spoofed credentials designed to get portable devices to connect to them.  Your device should never connect to a network like that w/o asking you.

 

(My Windows Phone sends me a little message -- "I see the "XXX" wireless network here, do you expect to see it here?"  If my phone saw my home wifi at Heathrow, I'd know something was afoot.)

 

At home I use the ISP's box, and the only thing connected to it is my Netgear switch, to which everything else is connected.  Wifi I turn off on that ISP's box. For wifi, I use a latest-gen Time Capsule, and have an older Airport Extreme elsewhere in the house to extend the wifi.  The Apple stuff is in bridge mode; dhcp is provided by the isp's box.

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by Mike-B

Bill & Simon,  I'm aware that HomeHub is a BT marketing name. I had all the so called "Hubs" in mind.  Virgins SuperHub & Sky Hub & others if they exist,  i.e typically as supplied by the phone/broadband service provider.  I don't have the detailed knowledge & inside info but I know enough to voice an opinion as a user per my post this morning (& other times on the same subject). In summary the problem as I see it is they don't do a good job of data distribution such as we need for audio & they seem to leave it up to the user to interpret that its OK to connect whatever devices to them as you would a router or switch.

My BT HH3 simply overheated after about 3 albums, started to smell & lost wifi & we have a forum sticky on the Virgin SuperHub.  I am not saying they are not good for the simple broadband/wireless work all users require them for,  but with more complex applications something tells me that we need something better.  

I'm not sure about going to a router such as Netgear, Linsky & Cisco as I believe they also need a switch between NAS & ND (player).  But I have yet to be convinced a simple switch between NAS & ND with a branch to the hub providing only iRadio (& its wireless functions) can be bettered.   

Posted on: 04 July 2014 by scillyisles
Originally Posted by Bart:
Originally Posted by dave4jazz:
I'm not sure there is a way of during this on android devices. At least I can't see any.

 

Dave

On iOS devices you can 'forget' a wireless network.  Automatic connection to a wireless network that you don't specifically enable is highly dangerous; lots of reports lately of hackers in public areas sending out wifi with spoofed credentials designed to get portable devices to connect to them.  Your device should never connect to a network like that w/o asking you.

 

(My Windows Phone sends me a little message -- "I see the "XXX" wireless network here, do you expect to see it here?"  If my phone saw my home wifi at Heathrow, I'd know something was afoot.)

 

At home I use the ISP's box, and the only thing connected to it is my Netgear switch, to which everything else is connected.  Wifi I turn off on that ISP's box. For wifi, I use a latest-gen Time Capsule, and have an older Airport Extreme elsewhere in the house to extend the wifi.  The Apple stuff is in bridge mode; dhcp is provided by the isp's box.

Hmm on all my IOS devices if you press the information tab on the Wifi screen you get to a screen showing the detailed IP information and on this screen there is a tab which says "Forget this Network" 

If you press it you IOS device forgets it i.e. it will remove it from the automatic connection list if you have that  setup. Furthermore you can stop an IOS device joining any Wifi network by just enabling the "Ask to join networks feature" In this case you will have to manually select from a list of available networks.