Burning of Koran in America
Posted by: backfromoz on 21 March 2011
The American Christian Cleric Bigot has burned a copy of the Koran and filmed it.
Now many copies of the Bible have been burnt by Muslim Clerics, and recently here in the UK that moron Muslim burnt the poppy on rememberance day. Turns out his father served in the british forces, so his son must be a real **************.
So how do you deal with this kind of horrible behaviour, especially when the Ghastly perpetrators use their Faith/Religion to justify their conduct.
I get real pissed off by religious Zealots/Bigots forcing their narrow minded views on me and the quiet majority.
I have always argued that when your faith is weak then you behave appalingly, to justify to yourself your faith is strong. Deluded.
Peace on Earth to All.
David
So why should I give a sh*t?
The Bible means f*ck all to me, and the Koran even less. Why is the World consuming itself with religious zealots?
There's no frigging peace on earth once these religious nutters get going.
As a non follower of these things, other than the odd social event at my local church, ignoring the zealots is probably the best thing and treating their more extreme actions as simple criminal actions is the best route.
Jono
Unless they are re-cycling.
So why should I give a sh*t?
The Bible means f*ck all to me, and the Koran even less. Why is the World consuming itself with religious zealots?
There's no frigging peace on earth once these religious nutters get going.
Im not a religious person as such,other than praying to my holy Naim setup. I do know many religious people. They are not nutters,they lead very peaceful lives and would help anyone.
We must be careful so as not to tar this type of person with the brush of religious madness.
...That time may well be 100's of years into the future but eventually (apart from a desperate few) no sane person will believe in non existent deitys of any description.
and now protests over this incident has lead to the deaths of UN workers in Afghanistan. That lunatic cleric now has the blood of ten-people on his hands.
He was formally warned by that burning the Koran would cost US solders lives.
OK it just happened that it was not US solders (this time, yet), but the US now need to show the world that they have the balls to deal with this individual. He is as much a threat to peace as is Bin Laden.
All forms of religious extreamism is a threat to peace, & few religions can claim to be free of that problem. Sad to say most of the worlds conflicts throught the ages were because of religion
When will we ever learn - when its too late I guess
Religion is not the problem, but rather that madmen [and it is almost always men] actually pin their lunacy on religion in name if not spirit, but it is not the problem of religion that this happens.
Of course if a Priest in the Roman Catholic Church had done this then he risks Ex-comminication, but then the RC Christian Church is at least a formal and historically validated human organisation. The trouble with sects of whatever religion is that there is no Pope to condemn such an an action.
Which is not to say that on occasion, even recent occasion, that the RC Church has not been subject to human failings in its persuit of speading the true Gospel of "peace and goodwill to all ..."
ATB from George
and now protests over this incident has lead to the deaths of UN workers in Afghanistan. That lunatic cleric now has the blood of ten-people on his hands.
And the world's attention. I suspect it's a fair trade for people like that.
However, it isn't his fault that there are people in the world who will kill other people over a burned book.
the US now need to show the world that they have the balls to deal with this individual.
Yep, kill him. I'm sure Afghanistan will return the favor the next time a bible gets burned over there. Yea! Now everyone is civilized!
He burned a book. He is not responsible for the results. Whoever killed the UN workers in Afghanistan has blood on their hands. No one else.
Dave
Seconded.
He burned a book. He is not responsible for the results. Whoever killed the UN workers in Afghanistan has blood on their hands. No one else.
Dave
Seconded.
He burned a book. He is not responsible for the results. Whoever killed the UN workers in Afghanistan has blood on their hands. No one else.
Dave
Fellas, I respectfully disagree. If he did it 'innocently' and didn't expect a backlash costing lives that's one thing. But only a fool would expect that his actions in burning the holy book of a religion which has an extremist element would not cost lives.
If I went up to Mike Tyson and told him something nasty about his late daughter (not that I ever would be so insensitive) I would fully expect a beating.
Should I get a beating ? Should others lose their lives to religious extremists ? No, of course not, but we know that those causes would cause those affects.
Respectfully, it's irrelevant why he did it, or that he did it. Christians in the west wouldn't use the burning of a bible as a pretext to go out and kill innocents. You can't say anything negative about Islam without risking provocation, often 'extreme' provocation. Can't draw a cartoon. You must not move the wrong muscle for fear of provoking the wrath of so-called 'extremists'. That's why, generally speaking, the moniker "religion of peace" is often invoked in the same breath when 'Islam' is mentioned. The violence speaks for itself. Attacks against christians and churches will happen sooner or later in (insert name of country here), the extremists will just use events like this to make it happen sooner. Of course all good-standing Muslims worldwide have come out in unison and denounced the latest events perpetrated by the more extreme members of this religion. For the record, my best friend growing up in Alberta was an awesome guy of Lebanese-Muslim descent, we respected each other's religion. I'm making these more general comments about the extreme end of Islam because, quite frankly, it is what it is. It's the elephant in the room. As a westerner, I have to be extremely careful when travelling through Islamic regimes. On the other hand, in Canada and the U.S. we bend over backwards (generally speaking) to allow muslims to be themselves. The individuals in Afghanistan who committed murder each bear responsibility for their actions. They made the choice.
Dave
The growth of fanatical Muslims is taking us all to Hell!
I'm not looking to apply the logic here but are you saying that people should avoid actions if there might be unjustified reactions?
This would seem to reward the overly sensitive and belligerent.
Respectfully, it's irrelevant why he did it, or that he did it. Christians in the west wouldn't use the burning of a bible as a pretext to go out and kill innocents. You can't say anything negative about Islam without risking provocation, often 'extreme' provocation. Can't draw a cartoon. You must not move the wrong muscle for fear of provoking the wrath of so-called 'extremists'. That's why, generally speaking, the moniker "religion of peace" is often invoked in the same breath when 'Islam' is mentioned. The violence speaks for itself. Attacks against christians and churches will happen sooner or later in (insert name of country here), the extremists will just use events like this to make it happen sooner. Of course all good-standing Muslims worldwide have come out in unison and denounced the latest events perpetrated by the more extreme members of this religion. For the record, my best friend growing up in Alberta was an awesome guy of Lebanese-Muslim descent, we respected each other's religion. I'm making these more general comments about the extreme end of Islam because, quite frankly, it is what it is. It's the elephant in the room. As a westerner, I have to be extremely careful when travelling through Islamic regimes. On the other hand, in Canada and the U.S. we bend over backwards (generally speaking) to allow muslims to be themselves. The individuals in Afghanistan who committed murder each bear responsibility for their actions. They made the choice.
Dave
Well said.
Civilized individuals would have struck back in court, to challenge the desecration of a Koran by this American pastor. I still receive insults and provocative comments about my religion, and I don't 'lose it', I take it in stride. So however rude and insulting this pastor's gesture is, he has the freedom to do it. Maybe that was his point. So, respectively shoot6x7, where do you draw the line? As a human being, can I draw a cartoon to express my feelings? To make an artistic statement? It's done all the time to Christianity. Rude cartoons of Jesus. Sorry, but I disagree with your argument. Citizens of the west must not bow down to complete censorship to ensure that 'militant' muslims don't react with violence somewhere else in the world. I know a gent who commented on the Danish cartoon affair in his magazine, and published the cartoons, because it was relevant to the discussion. He was challenged by a representative of the Muslim faith at a provincial human rights council. The case against him was dismissed, although it cost him a fortune to defend his rights.
Dave
Couldn't of put it better Dave. These people have something seriously wrong. It needs to be nipped in the bud and fast.
I agree that the people responsible are those who committed the atrocities and I'd love to agree that all he did was burn a book but we're dealing with nutters here and something like this was inevitable. He knew exactly what he was doing. He did it in the full knowledge that these lunatics are looking for any excuse so he can't just shrug his shoulders and say, “What did I do?”. He has blood on his hands.
Points are well made Dave and don't think I don't agree. But we don't live in a perfect world. If the pastor hadn't burned the Koran 'that' protest wouldn't have happened and people wouldn't have died. Of course other protests and deaths probably would occur, it's the nature of the beast.
There was a cause and an affect. Whether right or wrong is an argument I wasn't intending to start because I know it's wrong.
It's a fact that people of the muslim faith are much more sensitive to how their prophet is depicted. I suppose it's their choice. Just like it's the choice of Christians to believe that the world is 6,000 years old and Creationism is true.
I'm not looking to apply the logic here but are you saying that people should avoid actions if there might be unjustified reactions?
This would seem to reward the overly sensitive and belligerent.
We may enjoy freedom of speech in the west, but that doesn't mean that i should exercise it !
For example, I can't stand Harleys, but I wouldn't choose to say this in front of a bunch of Hell's Angels.
I've also heard that in the US they'd love to stop this guy but to protect freedom of expression for all they have to let nutters do stupid, hurtful things.