OCD run amok again -- it's the "the"

Posted by: Bart on 01 August 2014

Browsing my music collection in n-Stream on a new iPad, it started to 'bug' me that I have some artists identified two ways -- with and without a "The" at the beginning of the name.  (This post is not about whether the software should deal with this, as some does.)

 

So I decided that I need to figure out when the "The" is really a part of the band's name, and when it isn't.  This has proven difficult.

 

For the Allman Brothers Band, I went to Facebook, and see that their official page does not use the "The."  So I assumed that that's their official name. 

 

On [The] Rolling Stones' Facebook page, whoever posts there is inconsistent.  Sometimes "The" is capitalized, sometimes not.

 

What's an occasionally ocd guy to do when all he wants to know is the real name of a band??

Posted on: 01 August 2014 by Kiwi cat

Ask The "The The".

Posted on: 01 August 2014 by George J
 

Eroica.

 

As in Sinfonia Eroica, dedicated in Italian to Napoleon Bonaparte, but subsequently undedicated when Napoleon decided to become "Emperor, and so Beethoven lost faith in his Revolutionary Hero ...

 

Unlike "The Emperoro Concerto" - know only in anglophone territories as such, though sometimes the English appellation is used in France, I believe ... 

 

Another Emperor is the Quartet Opus 76, Number 3 [of FJ Haydn], which being named in German is know without the definite article in English. The Second Movement is a set of variations on Haydn's Kaiserleid.

 

However I believe the definite article is indeed part of the title of the "The Emperor Waltz" ... and so on it goes. OCD takes over and we all go mad in the end!

 

ATB from George

 

Posted on: 01 August 2014 by Ebor

it occasionally irritates me too. My solution is to refer to the name as it appears on the album cover (as in the Dead version above). Of course there are plenty of albums that are no help at all in this respect (DSOTM being a famous example), but it's surely the best place to look first. It's further complicated by bands who add or drop a definite article during their careers: (The) Pink Floyd being an example.

 

As for classical nicknames (Eroica symphony, Moonlight sonata), very few of these were coined by the composer concerned, and many were actively loathedmor date from after their deaths. I avoid them completely.

 

Mark

Posted on: 01 August 2014 by hafler3o

Refer to Discogs, there's a good 'brain's trust' of regulars, although that does not mean there are no arguments from time to time.

Posted on: 01 August 2014 by hafler3o

'The Allman Brothers Band' (apparently)

Posted on: 01 August 2014 by Bart
Originally Posted by Wat:

 

Clearly from the record label we can see the eponymous album is called The Grateful Dead. 

 

 

sometimes you just can't win ....

That's a good one Wat.   Made me laugh!

Posted on: 01 August 2014 by Bart
Originally Posted by hafler3o:

'The Allman Brothers Band' (apparently)

Except that usage without the 'The' is all over their website!

 

I think that my primary concern is not to end up with two artist entries, one with and one without.  If I know one is "correct," then of course I'll use it.  That determination is harder than it seems it should be!

Posted on: 01 August 2014 by Ebor

That is indeed tedious when it happens. At the risk of aggravating your OCD, I'd be tempted to say what everyone says about choosing equipment: go with whatever you prefer and stick to that. Personally, I think The Pink Floyd sounds much better than just Pink Floyd, so I have all my Floyd tracks tagged thusly. It's not as if you have to submit your metadata to a higher authority for approval, is it?

 

Mark

Posted on: 01 August 2014 by Jamesw1
I have the same problem with The Eagles and The Bee Gees. Again they are inconsistent. Don't worry you aren't alone!
Posted on: 02 August 2014 by Arun Mehan

I remember having this problem first with CDs and now digital files. I tend to agree with Mark, go with personal preference and stick with it. Not the greatest answer I know but it comes down to how easily you can recall and find stuff in your collection.

 

Arun

Posted on: 02 August 2014 by Bart

Arun I agree that it's all about being able to find your 'stuff.'  And right Ebor -- there is no higher authority than ME when it comes to my data

 

I do where possible enjoy getting it 'right' such that if the band never used a "The," I don't either.  But such is of limited importance.

Posted on: 02 August 2014 by TomK

Brilliant !!

Posted on: 05 August 2014 by Komet
If you really want to be pedantic, it should be "The Pink Floyd Sound".
 
Originally Posted by Ebor:

That is indeed tedious when it happens. At the risk of aggravating your OCD, I'd be tempted to say what everyone says about choosing equipment: go with whatever you prefer and stick to that. Personally, I think The Pink Floyd sounds much better than just Pink Floyd, so I have all my Floyd tracks tagged thusly. It's not as if you have to submit your metadata to a higher authority for approval, is it?

 

Mark

 

Posted on: 05 August 2014 by winkyincanada

I don't understand why this matters with computer-based music collections. If you want something by (the) Rolling Stones, don't you just type "rolling..." into the search box and up pops Rolling Stones music ("the" or otherwise). It is one of the main benefits of computer-based music collections. I can search by whatever I like, including song titles. I don't have to be precise, just close enough to narrow down the search. The computer does the hard work of looking through my collection for it, no matter how it is filed. I also don't have to be worried by collaborations. I can find all my Charlie Haden music easily without worrying whethere it's filed under "Haden", "Charlie", "Metheney", "Jarrett" or wherever.

Posted on: 05 August 2014 by GregU

All bands whose names start with A C D H J N R U and X are called "the"

 

All other bands have no "the"

 

serious

Posted on: 05 August 2014 by Steve J
Originally Posted by GregU:

All bands whose names start with A C D H J N R U and X are called "the"

 

All other bands have no "the"

 

serious

What about AC/DC Or Aardvark?  

Posted on: 05 August 2014 by VladtheImpala

"With Beatles"?

Posted on: 05 August 2014 by GregU

The AC/DC

 

The Aardvark

 

Do I have to explain everything????

Posted on: 05 August 2014 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by GregU:

The AC/DC

 

The Aardvark

 

Do I have to explain everything????

How do you file "Heartland" and "Infected" by    ?

Posted on: 05 August 2014 by joerand

Here's one for you; Small Faces or The Small Faces? In the US, we tend to refer to them as The Small Faces. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame website refers to them with The, so does MTV. The band's own official website is thesmallfaces.com, but consistently calls them Small Faces. Amazon.com lists them with The.  Amazon.co.uk has a The Small Faces store, under which the band is only called Small Faces. Maybe we need a neutral party ruling. I wonder how they are referred to in Switzerland?