iOS or android for control naim, spotify, sonos and jremote/gizmo

Posted by: gedh on 27 August 2014

New smartphone on the cards- apart from the normal phone and web I want to use it as an in pocket remote for all the audio. I have a couple of Naim streamers, sonos kit and jriver media centre. Opinions on Apple Vs Google for the future?

 

Ged

Posted on: 27 August 2014 by DavidDever

If you're looking at the latest and greatest, you will find that an iOS device from Apple will endure longer as regards OS updates and manufacturer/mobile carrier support. The iOS platform is stable, well-supported and easy to use, which (from a manufacturer's standpoint) makes the development process for the App Store much more sane.

 

If you purchase an Android device, there are no assurances from point of purchase onward that your device can be capably updated to the latest and greatest OS, especially if it is a mobile phone (due to carrier restrictions). This is not as much of an issue if you are looking at a smaller Android tablet, however, as the mobile carriers are removed from the equation.

 

Google Play for Android offers many inexpensive apps, though (lacking the more stringent app-testing process of Apple's offerings) there is a propensity toward some real crapware.

Posted on: 27 August 2014 by RaceTripper
Originally Posted by DavidDever:

If you're looking at the latest and greatest, you will find that an iOS device from Apple will endure longer as regards OS updates and manufacturer/mobile carrier support. The iOS platform is stable, well-supported and easy to use, which (from a manufacturer's standpoint) makes the development process for the App Store much more sane.

 

If you purchase an Android device, there are no assurances from point of purchase onward that your device can be capably updated to the latest and greatest OS, especially if it is a mobile phone (due to carrier restrictions). This is not as much of an issue if you are looking at a smaller Android tablet, however, as the mobile carriers are removed from the equation.

 

Google Play for Android offers many inexpensive apps, though (lacking the more stringent app-testing process of Apple's offerings) there is a propensity toward some real crapware.

I use iOS devices (iPhone and iPad MIni) as well as numerous other Apple devices, but don't agreement with your assessment.

 

iOS and Android devices both cannot be updated indefinitely. I had a first generation iPad I used for streaming my DirecTV service in the mornings while working at home. It could not be updated beyond iOS 5. DirecTV introduced a forced update to their iOS app that required iOS 6. All of a sudden I could no longer use my iPad for that purpose.

 

So what you stated as a warning about OS updates for Android devices applies as well to iOS devices.

 

Android and iOS devices are both great and very capable choices. Pick your poison.

 

The other answer is that the n-Stream app used to control Naim streaming devices is available on iOS but not for Android.

Posted on: 27 August 2014 by osprey
Originally Posted by RaceTripper:
…So what you stated as a warning about OS updates for Android devices applies as well to iOS devices.


This is a valid warning meaning that you need to be prepared to renew your phone in every few years in oder to keep up in development regardless the OS (I have iPhone 3G and thus am restricted to the fw 3.16 in Naim world).
Posted on: 28 August 2014 by DavidDever
Originally Posted by RaceTripper:
Originally Posted by DavidDever:

If you're looking at the latest and greatest, you will find that an iOS device from Apple will endure longer as regards OS updates and manufacturer/mobile carrier support. The iOS platform is stable, well-supported and easy to use, which (from a manufacturer's standpoint) makes the development process for the App Store much more sane.

 

If you purchase an Android device, there are no assurances from point of purchase onward that your device can be capably updated to the latest and greatest OS, especially if it is a mobile phone (due to carrier restrictions). This is not as much of an issue if you are looking at a smaller Android tablet, however, as the mobile carriers are removed from the equation.

 

Google Play for Android offers many inexpensive apps, though (lacking the more stringent app-testing process of Apple's offerings) there is a propensity toward some real crapware.

I use iOS devices (iPhone and iPad MIni) as well as numerous other Apple devices, but don't agreement with your assessment.

 

iOS and Android devices both cannot be updated indefinitely. I had a first generation iPad I used for streaming my DirecTV service in the mornings while working at home. It could not be updated beyond iOS 5. DirecTV introduced a forced update to their iOS app that required iOS 6. All of a sudden I could no longer use my iPad for that purpose.

 

So what you stated as a warning about OS updates for Android devices applies as well to iOS devices.

 

Android and iOS devices are both great and very capable choices. Pick your poison.

 

The other answer is that the n-Stream app used to control Naim streaming devices is available on iOS but not for Android.

Without being petulant (and with the guise of a developer that has worked on both platforms), I'd point out that there are Android devices that cannot move one iteration above their current OS–yes, every device has its sunset–but that this is far less of a problem on iOS than on Android, full stop.

 

In Apple's case, older devices can be made to uptake the new OS, often with reduced features or functionality, but one is effectively assured of at least three OS version updates (with the exception of the first device in each category, two–as there are plenty of iterations that arrive before the first release). [The venerable iPad 2 may very well make it to four updates / five OSes total.]

 

iOS is not perfect (and the lack of JIT support peeves me to no end), but the dev tools are first-rate compared to the default Android flavor of Eclipse. Third-party IDEs ease the pain somewhat, but in many cases start to resemble the Xcode approach taken by Apple.

 

Microsoft has also made it a point to note that the current Qualcomm Snapdragon-based hardware platform will see at least one more update beyond WinPho 8 and 8.1, in response to customer (rather than carrier) demand, as a differentiator from low-end Android products. BlackBerry learned this the hard way with the PlayBook (which shares the same basic TI OMAP processor platform as the original Amazon Kindle Fire).

 

The issue from an Android hardware maker's perspective (having dealt with tablet OEMs & ODMs directly for industrial clients) is that there is little to no hardware curation in terms of planned (future) system requirements from Google (whereas Apple controls the entire hardware + software process, and knows full well what its upgrade requirements will eventually be).

 

For an Android hardware device, then, it is better to specify a minimum baseline hardware specification for what is nominally an inexpensive tablet anyway, and assume that the manufacturer will not be required to provide an version update to the base OS more than once (if at all, in the case of embedded Android devices).

 

If I had to purchase another Android device, it would most certainly be a Kindle Fire tablet, as the family of products represents the most polished approach to the platform, both in terms of hardware as well as overall platform testing. Like iOS, it also presents a "walled garden" approach to software. The Fire Phone, on the other hand, is not long for this world....

 

So-going back to the original poster's requirements, an iOS phone will be longer supported by Apple via regular updates than an Android device. FACT. It will also be better supported by a wider range of audio/video manufacturer-developed and -provided apps.

 

Lastly–Apple has changed its policy of requiring forced updates, in order to better support older hardware by making available the older version of an app on the App Store; I suspect that you'll not run into this again.

Posted on: 28 August 2014 by Claus-Thoegersen

We are just one month away From Musso launch. This should mean a new ios and android app that can  also work with the other streamers, so if possible I would wait and see to get an idea of the Naim offering on droid vs the updated iOS app.

 

The discussion about wich platform will work longest is hard, but it is a  valid point that not all Android devices will be updated to the point where the hardware cannot keep up with the OS requirements.

So you may have an Android device that ttechnically could work with the latest OS but unless you hack the device you will not be able to update it. With Apple devices there are only Apple who decides when a device is to old to be updated.

However Appple has a good record of allowing updates to devices until they cannot handle the os   requirements.  iOS 7 works on an iPhone 4, but I am not sure that I would want to run iOS 8 on a 4 even if Apple made it possible.

 

Claus

 

Posted on: 28 August 2014 by b_lund

Musso !

Posted on: 28 August 2014 by DavidDever
Originally Posted by Claus-Thoegersen:

We are just one month away From Musso launch. This should mean a new ios and android app that can  also work with the other streamers, so if possible I would wait and see to get an idea of the Naim offering on droid vs the updated iOS app.

 

The discussion about wich platform will work longest is hard, but it is a  valid point that not all Android devices will be updated to the point where the hardware cannot keep up with the OS requirements.

So you may have an Android device that ttechnically could work with the latest OS but unless you hack the device you will not be able to update it. With Apple devices there are only Apple who decides when a device is to old to be updated.

However Appple has a good record of allowing updates to devices until they cannot handle the os   requirements.  iOS 7 works on an iPhone 4, but I am not sure that I would want to run iOS 8 on a 4 even if Apple made it possible.

 

Claus

 

The iPod touch (4th generation) and iPhone 4 (GSM or CDMA) are the only devices with a Retina Display not to make the cut for iOS 8 - and, by chance, they also happen to be from the first generation.

Posted on: 28 August 2014 by dayjay
Originally Posted by RaceTripper:
Originally Posted by DavidDever:

If you're looking at the latest and greatest, you will find that an iOS device from Apple will endure longer as regards OS updates and manufacturer/mobile carrier support. The iOS platform is stable, well-supported and easy to use, which (from a manufacturer's standpoint) makes the development process for the App Store much more sane.

 

If you purchase an Android device, there are no assurances from point of purchase onward that your device can be capably updated to the latest and greatest OS, especially if it is a mobile phone (due to carrier restrictions). This is not as much of an issue if you are looking at a smaller Android tablet, however, as the mobile carriers are removed from the equation.

 

Google Play for Android offers many inexpensive apps, though (lacking the more stringent app-testing process of Apple's offerings) there is a propensity toward some real crapware.

I use iOS devices (iPhone and iPad MIni) as well as numerous other Apple devices, but don't agreement with your assessment.

 

iOS and Android devices both cannot be updated indefinitely. I had a first generation iPad I used for streaming my DirecTV service in the mornings while working at home. It could not be updated beyond iOS 5. DirecTV introduced a forced update to their iOS app that required iOS 6. All of a sudden I could no longer use my iPad for that purpose.

 

So what you stated as a warning about OS updates for Android devices applies as well to iOS devices.

 

Android and iOS devices are both great and very capable choices. Pick your poison.

 

The other answer is that the n-Stream app used to control Naim streaming devices is available on iOS but not for Android.

+1, asking this question is a bit like asking do you prefer windows or mac, or Canon or Nikon; you'll get lots of entrenched views often from people who have never used the other platform. I have an apple phone and ipad and a htc1 m8 and galaxy 10.1 tablet. I don't use the iphone at all and I only use the ipad for work and to control my Naim but I have friends and family who love apple products, often because they are simple to use and reliable. My advice, unless you need to control Naim products, is to try and have a play with both systems and see which feels right for you. The only thing I would say from personal experience is that all my apple devices get poor data and phone connections compared to my other kit, something I've observed over the years with different models for some reason

Posted on: 29 August 2014 by gedh

Thanks to all that contributed. I have a work supplied phone but want my own. I have an iPAD and older touch, so knew about Naim control from there but hadn't realised that there wasn't an Android equivalent yet. Great point about the Musso launch which presumably being aimed at a broader market may need a broader church of control.

I will wait for its launch before deciding.

once again thanks to all that helped

Ged