What I discovered testing 5 Apple TVs with the DAC-V1

Posted by: GregW on 04 September 2014

One of the things I love about the NAP 100 / DAC-V1 is way it makes digital sources come to life: I would even go as far as to say it can sound very analog with the right material, especially over USB. However, I been using an Apple TV with my DAC-V1 recently and found the sound somewhat lifeless, a little dull and in some cases downright odd.

 

I double checked with Naim to see if the DAC-V1 is actively managing jitter on Toslink connections. It is which is a great because poor jitter control is not at all uncommon with low end transports like the Apple TV.

 

From the NDX white paper. The DAC-V1 uses the same circuit. "Naim’s buffer or memory method of jitter removal relies on a simple concept: the audio data is clocked into the memory at the incoming, inconsistently timed rate and is then clocked out of the memory and into the DAC chips using a precise clock. The rate at which the memory fills and empties is controlled by selecting the master clock that best matches the average incoming clock frequency. In this way the data entering the DAC chips is completely isolated from the incoming jitter."

 

Based on my positive experience of the NAP 100 / DAC-V1 I decided to take a closer look at the Apple TV. My reference is an SSD based Mac Mini used exclusively, and optimised for music playback using Audirvana Plus. It's connected to the DAC-V1 by a Wireworld ultraviolet 1m USB cable. I use a 1m Optichord Toslink cable for the Apple TV.

 

So I grabbed 3 Apple TVs from the office and 2 from home. My wife swapped them in and out for me so I didn't know which unit was connected. After spending some time carefully listening to them, I concluded 2 sounded lifeless and not at all enjoyable to listen to. This included the one I originally had connected to my DAC-V1. 3 sounded quite reasonable, but there were still differences. Night and day would be an exaggeration but unlike the other 2 they didn't get in the way of my musical enjoyment, in fact they sounded pretty good.

 

The good news is that the DAC-V1 can help a fairly average transport still sound musical and enjoyable. The bad news is that there would appear to be noticeable sample variability with Apple TVs. Unfortunately the 2 lifeless sounding Apple TVs, were a 2nd and 3rd generation unit so I can't narrow it down to one particular generation in my n=5 sample.

 

I'm hanging on to the 2 best units at home and taking the naff units back to the office! They are only used in meeting rooms so audio output quality is not important.

Posted on: 04 September 2014 by YM2149
I would think that the resampling to 48kHz done by the atv is the biggest problem.
Posted on: 04 September 2014 by GregU

How did the three apple TVs compare to the Mac mini set up?

Posted on: 04 September 2014 by Jude2012
Agree that the sample rate if 48Khz may be the issue for music playback from a remote iTunes library.

However, I get excellent sound via my TV's SPDIF electrical out into my V1. 

I also get excellent sound from the ATV for movies, YouTube, etc. (for example, listening music from the iTunes Festival last night was fab).

I use HDMI to connect my ATV to my TV.  I gave up on using the optical and HDMI together as previously i experienced lip sync. issues. Besides, there's no optical connection on my current TV.

Jude
Posted on: 05 September 2014 by GregW
Originally Posted by GregU:

How did the three apple TVs compare to the Mac mini set up?

 

They don't to be honest. As others have said the 48kHz issue is definitely a problem. You can feed  hires files from the Mini to the DAC-V1 and the USB interface is very well thought out. All of these factors make a significant difference. Radio is a good example where I would much rather use a playlist of my favourite radio stations in iTunes on the Mini than use the Apple TV.

 

When Apple made the last significant update to the Remote app, it included a lot of useful features like a dynamic whats next playlist which gives it some of the nice features that until that point only Sonos had.

 

All of that said the Apple TV is very good for stuff like Youtube and as Jude says the iTunes Festival is a definite must watch. My takeaway was really my surprise at the sample variation. While the Apple TV is never going to sound fantastic, it can sound good provided you get a good one. It's not my goto source but I use it enough that it made sense to try and get the best sound possible.