Jaded with the Forum

Posted by: George J on 19 November 2014

As Mick P [long of this Parish] has noted, there comes a time when most of us oldies have reached our sell-by date. 

 

We repeat ourselves, and become predictable. People become accustomed to our views, and so suggest such things as changing the record in some instances. Quite rightly so, in so many cases.

 

I have found myself making long and without doubt sensible posts, which five minutes after posting I have deleted, or sometimes never even posted in the first place.

 

But one thing keeps me going. Not the hot fury of people from the USA who find my views in the Padded Cell far from their own World view, or chats about this or that model of Naim [or otherwise] replay kit, but the Music Room, where the sharing of musical discoveries can never fade into dullness, because music itself can never be fully known. In reality none of us ever finds all the music we might love, even in a lifetime, even if we know very well what we do not like.

 

Just two pennies' worth.

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by George J:

As Mick P [long of this Parish] has noted, there comes a time when most of us oldies have reached our sell-by date. 

 

We repeat ourselves, and become predictable. People become accustomed to our views, and so suggest such things as changing the record in some instances. Quite rightly so, in so many cases.

 

I have found myself making long and without doubt sensible posts, which five minutes after posting I have deleted, or sometimes never even posted in the first place.

 

But one thing keeps me going. Not the hot fury of people from the USA who find my views in the Padded Cell far from their own World view, or chats about this or that model of Naim [or otherwise] replay kit, but the Music Room, where the sharing of musical discoveries can never fade into dullness, because music itself can never be fully known. In reality none of us ever finds all the music we might love, even in a lifetime, even if we know very well what we do not like.

 

Just two pennies' worth.

 

ATB from George

What's with the "oldies" nonsense? I'm the same age as you and I like to think that I am only setting out in life's journey. Well, half-way at most...

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by George J

Dear Winki!

 

You are really funny for me! In the nicest way!

 

I am one of those dour Norse types who regards a half empty glass as empty - no grey! I cannot help but think that we kid ourselves a bit about mortality. It is not even a day a way if Fates decrees it!

 

However, what I did mean by "oldies" was those sad people like myself, who have been posting on the Forum for a very long time! 

 

Very best wishes to you from George

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by GraemeH

I just don't think about myself that much. Too many other responsibilities to worry about.

 

This place is nice, relatively neutral territory and simply an audio forum after all.

 

G

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by George J

Dear Greame,

 

You probably have a family. I could never hope that anyone could expect to care me me in that way. I did not ask to be born - none of us did - but since I was, I have the responsibility of great friends and family by blood, and a much wider perspective than any family I might have spawned. The World and the human race. I may appear introspective on occasion - forgive me -  but the situation is the exact reverse.

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by Mr Mole

harrump, bunch of young whippersnappers.........bah, humbug!

 

 

BTW, is Mick still around?

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by George J
Originally Posted by Mr Mole:

harrump, bunch of young whippersnappers.........bah, humbug!

 

 

BTW, is Mick still around?

Only rarely, but in a word, then "yes!"

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by Lionel

Mick P is doing  his "look at me I'm Colonel Blimp" act in another place.

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by Mike-B

Should that be another plaice ??

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by TOBYJUG

PHFFT !

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by DrMark

Some people view the glass as half full, others half empty.

 

I think think it's half full, but leaking like a bitch!

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by dayjay
Originally Posted by DrMark:

Some people view the glass as half full, others half empty.

 

I think think it's half full, but leaking like a bitch!

This is someone else's glass,  mine was bigger,  with free refills!

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by kuma

I love the Music Room.

 

I have discovered some new music through folks here and particularly you George and EJ ( hope he'll stick around and wish Stefan Just was around still ) and Haim is always generous with a gift of new music every time we get together.

 

And you know what. Classical music folks here are actually very nice so it is less intimidating. ( I have noticed that some music boards are worse than hifi Fora with keyboard bullys )

 

What's been interesting, however, is that the musical trend in this board seems to be in keeping with my taste than US music board which often, I am scratching my head why they like the particular performance or performers.

 

I think there were more interesting posts on both the hardware and the music room from the past, tho. There were a lot more folks with a better writing skills than current contributors. Some of the older posts were joy to read and I was super impressed with a level of English language writing skills. ( at least from my non English speaker POV. I see the trend in last 15 years is a decline of writing skills. Not just grammatical correctness but the creative phrasing. 

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by TOBYJUG

More so with a discerning collective of thinkers who believe in their choices and authorship of interests - and to enjoy hifi in the comfort of ones own home and then to share the experience "with others ? There are much worse situations to suffer the violence of deluded fantasies or be exposed as just another facsimile of voice, but that is why we have the music.

Naim needs to open a new category of forum...........

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by joerand
Originally Posted by kuma:

I love the Music Room.

 

There were a lot more folks with a better writing skills than current contributors. Some of the older posts were joy to read and I was super impressed with a level of English language writing skills. ( at least from my non English speaker POV. I see the trend in last 15 years is a decline of writing skills. Not just grammatical correctness but the creative phrasing. 

Kuma,

I appreciate your thoughts and agree with the essence of your post. I see many replies here obviously done with use of predictive texting and wonder why the poster bothered. Let the reader assume what you really meant and blame errors on your "Smart"phone? As if their time is some how more valuable than mine. Granted, English is not the first language of many here and I take that into account, but if a poster can't be troubled to review their response then why make others interpolate the meaning? I'd never claim my posts are error free, but I try to put some effort into them.

 

That said, I certainly do enjoy the more considerate, well-posed responses made by so many here .

Posted on: 19 November 2014 by Bruce Woodhouse

'Ask not what the Forum can do for you, but what you can do for it.'

 

I'd also note that if everybody agreed with any views or ideas I expressed in the Padded Cell it would be dull indeed. I can think of several 'agree to diasagree' threads in which I have been involved that have been quite fun.

 

Bruce

Posted on: 20 November 2014 by DrMark

I likewise have received some excellent musical suggestions from the forum as I peruse the Music Room.

 

I always appreciate the fact that I can inquire about a particular work or set of works by an an artist in the "classical" realm (using that as an umbrella term, not in reference to just the classical period) and any number of extremely knowledgeable members will come forth with suggestions and why this and/or that recording is a good rendition.  This is helpful to me inasmuch as the genre is not my forte...

 

I would also point out that when I thought I might be in the London area in spring (a trip that regrettably did not materialize for sundry reasons) there were several forum members who although they had never met me, were willing to meet with me (their offer) and accompany me to Salisbury, with the "threat" () of bending an elbow a few times at a local watering hole.  Seriously; how cool is that?

 

And another member helped me greatly with obtaining my Italian passport, and graciously opened his home to me when I was in Italy last December.

 

And if any "veteran" forum members whom I "know" were to be in the Charlotte area (presumably lost I would say) I would certainly be of like mind.

 

That a certain sense of community exists here among those of us who have not met is a pretty remarkable thing.

Posted on: 20 November 2014 by Hook
Originally Posted by Bruce Woodhouse:

'Ask not what the Forum can do for you, but what you can do for it.'

 

I'd also note that if everybody agreed with any views or ideas I expressed in the Padded Cell it would be dull indeed. I can think of several 'agree to diasagree' threads in which I have been involved that have been quite fun.

 

Bruce

 

I agree that a spirited intellectual debate can fun, but only when it doesn't degrade into childish name calling and thread removal. Then it is a just a waste of time.

 

Hook

Posted on: 21 November 2014 by Mick P

Chaps

 

Although I am more of a lurker now a days, I actually think the standard of the forum is on the up.

 

We no longer have postings with more smilees than words, we seem not to have the "how deep is the snow in your road" rubbish and we don't get an obituary every second day.

 

What you are getting is more interesting topics, so from where I am sitting, it looks ok.

 

Regards

 

Mick 

Posted on: 21 November 2014 by Bruce Woodhouse

Good to hear from you Mick

 

One of the members I have been able to 'agree to disagree with' on good terms I believe. How are those Post Office Shares by the way, and how is that nice traditional bike?

 

 

Bruce

Posted on: 21 November 2014 by lutyens

I have to say that one of the things that I prefer about this forum is that as a rule we are much nicer to each other! We seem to accommodate that each other may have different views a little more easily than an other plaice. The level of vitriol and abuse is most unpleasant over there at times.

 

( well ok not necessarily about cyclists but............................as a rule we are! )

 

George, you can be a proud and shining example of one consistently being courteous and polite. Even when you obviously disagree strongly. I would miss your erudite knowledge too.

 

And long may you and it continue.

 

atb

james

Posted on: 21 November 2014 by Gianluigi Mazzorana
Originally Posted by Mick P:

 

We no longer have postings with more smilees than words, we seem not to have the "how deep is the snow in your road" rubbish and we don't get an obituary every second day.

 

 

 

Posted on: 21 November 2014 by GraemeH

Have they died?

 

G

Posted on: 21 November 2014 by Gianluigi Mazzorana

Posted on: 21 November 2014 by Mick P
Originally Posted by Bruce Woodhouse:

Good to hear from you Mick

 

One of the members I have been able to 'agree to disagree with' on good terms I believe. How are those Post Office Shares by the way, and how is that nice traditional bike?

 

 

Bruce

Hello Bruce

 

I never bought any Post Office shares because unless you could sell afterwards, they were  likely to lose money.

 

The good point is that they pay a decent dividend and although their price is above the floatation level, it is sliding slowly downwards.

 

The Post Office staff who own an awful lot of shares will soon sell them once the three year moratorium is expired and then the share price stands a good chance of sliding.

 

The Post Office sold off a massive amount of its buildings in 2001 and now its rents nearly every building it occupies so the asset value is not as good as it once was.

 

The competition is getting stronger and I would say the chances for contraction are greater than the chances for growth. With a fixed amount of delivery addresses just below 27 million, the potential for growth is limited.

 

The old Pashley bike still looks as good as the day I bought it in 2004.

 

Good to see you are keeping well.

 

Regards

 

Mick

Posted on: 21 November 2014 by MDS
Originally Posted by lutyens:

I have to say that one of the things that I prefer about this forum is that as a rule we are much nicer to each other! We seem to accommodate that each other may have different views a little more easily than an other plaice. The level of vitriol and abuse is most unpleasant over there at times.

 

( well ok not necessarily about cyclists but............................as a rule we are! )

 

George, you can be a proud and shining example of one consistently being courteous and polite. Even when you obviously disagree strongly. I would miss your erudite knowledge too.

 

And long may you and it continue.

 

atb

james

I would agree, especially about the unfailing courtesy of George.

 

Must say I feel I've gained hugely from the Music Thread which has widened my tastes and also pointed me towards better quality reproductions of stuff I already like.

 

Some of the discussions in the Padded Cell are rich in insight and diversity, and posted by articulate and intelligent folk whose views are interesting to hear even when I might not agree.  And the jokes thread regularly makes me laugh.

 

This is a nice civilised place.