Broadband (Fibre)

Posted by: Mr Frog on 29 January 2015

Virgin National have ended support for copper cables to concentrate on their Fibre Optic Cable network - which unfortunately isn't availble in my area.

 

I have therefore, decided to switch to BT infinity 38mb FTTC - which should be superior to the existing 8mb copper line. At present I use a Draytek Vigor 120 Adsl modem linked to an Apple Time Capsule router. Once the switch to BT fibre takes place, the adsl modem will have to be replaced by something else (VDSL ?). I assume that the supplied BT Homehub 5 combined modem/router should be fine. I had planned to switch off its wifi function and use it purely as a modem, whilst retaining the Apple Time Capsule as the router - which has the NAS, Naim streamer etc attached via Ethernet.

 

Is this a sensible solution or should I just use the BT Homehub 5 for everything - both modem and router functions - without using the Apple device?

 

Alternatively, should I find another suitable modem (VDSL ?) instead of the BT supplied unit (perhaps a Draytek 130) and continue using the Apple router as before?

 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated 

Posted on: 29 January 2015 by Camlan

I had the same set up as you but with an Airport Extreme instead as a Time Capsule and have moved to BT Infinity or at least I will when they get around to switching it on.

 

Unfortunately the HH5 cannot be set to Modem only so even if you switch the WiFi off it will still operate as an up stream router which will give some issues with the Time Capsule . To get around this you need to either do what you have suggested in getting a Vigor 130 and ditch the HH5 or ditch the Time Capsule and use the HH5 which I wouldn't personally recommend but if you do make sure you have a switch for your music.

 

The other alternative is to use the Time Capsule in Bridge Mode with the HH5 operating as the primary upstream Router. This is fairly simple using Airport Utility but if you get an issue post again and I will run you through it. I have done this and will see how it goes but will go the 130 route if dissatisfied.

Posted on: 29 January 2015 by BigH47

What issues with TC please?

Posted on: 29 January 2015 by Camlan

Very briefly, TC uses PPPoE which HH5 does not support.

Posted on: 29 January 2015 by BigH47

I have  BT HH5 and an Apple TC which just does back ups and seems fine.

 

I have no idea what PPPoE is?

 

Is there any other set up that TC doesn't like?

Posted on: 29 January 2015 by Camlan

If its just being used for back up, I assume (given that a TC is only an Airport Extreme with a back up facility) it's fine. I am talking about using it as a Router.

Posted on: 29 January 2015 by Bart

Use the HomeHub as a router.  Connect one Ethernet patch cable from it to an unmanaged switch.  Connect everything else to the switch, including the TC.

 

Set the TC to be in bridge mode, and to 'create a wifi network.'  Turn off wifi on the Home Hub.

 

That's my recommendation; it's what I do at home, but with a different ISP and a different piece of hardware for the 'home hub.'

 

FYI for all TC users:  I was having awful network issues with music dropouts on my NDS and Qute2.  The music would start playing but randomly pause and restart, or drop all together.  I pulled things off my network one by one and learned it was the TC screwing something up.  A did a factory reset on the TC and it's been fine ever since.  I have no idea what was going on . . . but the TC was a problem and after a factory reset and reinstall just as it was before on the network, all is well.  Something must have gotten corrupted.

Posted on: 29 January 2015 by BigH47

OK thanks.

 

Posted on: 29 January 2015 by Mr Frog
didn't Camlan say that the wifi cannot be turned off on the Homehub 5?
Posted on: 29 January 2015 by Camlan

No. I said it cannot be set up as a Modem only which isn't quite the same thing. You can switch the wifi off but it will still act as a Router through the Ethernet connection and that is the compatibility issue with the Time Capsule.

Posted on: 29 January 2015 by Mr Frog
I see ... Just not PPPoE
Posted on: 29 January 2015 by Bonner

if it helps draytek supply a modem router that can switch between ADSL/VDSL seemlessly provided you enter the tag "101" in the VDSL config on the router.  I have one and it worked perfectly on switchover.  It is the DV 2860

Posted on: 29 January 2015 by Mr Frog

Ok ...let's see ...

 

What about BT Homehub 5 (combined fibre modem and router) with wifi switched off. All Ethernet connections to the BT device (perhaps using a Netgear switch) and also the Apple Time Capsule connected via Ethernet (in bridge mode) - used for the all wifi functions.

 

Does that sound reasonable or have I completely lost the plot  ?

 

(obviously difficult to properly consider options until the fibre and kit are installed - so just trying to plan ahead, pending installation in 2 weeks )

Posted on: 29 January 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Originally Posted by Bart:

Use the HomeHub as a router.  Connect one Ethernet patch cable from it to an unmanaged switch.  Connect everything else to the switch, including the TC.

Spot on! That's what I would do with BT Infinity.

PS don't get hung up if the switch is consumer grade 'managed' - some of the new devices are still very simplified but you have options for setting QoS and handling multicast which can be useful as you start to get more and more applications and users using your LAN.

Simon

Posted on: 29 January 2015 by ChrisSU

That sound right to me - it's the same as what Bart suggested above, isn't it?