555 and 555DR on NDS
Posted by: yorkslad on 06 February 2015
Very first post here
I have an NDS that i was using with an xp5xs power supply originally
I then loaned a friends non DR 555 power supply and this did elevate the level for sure
On this basis i sourced (and bought used) a 555DR and did a comparison that has left me a little unsure
With the non DR 555 the music flowed a little more but had much less control
With the 555DR there is a lot more control but the music flows a lot less (sounds more digital)
I then tried them both on the NDS while swapping options of digit / analogue feed to each
Final summary is that the 555DR on the analogue side (outer connection) and non DR on the digital side (inner connection) gave the best result so far
I am now wondering if getting another 555DR would be the way to go or would another non DR 555 be the better option
It has to be pointed out that the non DR 555 had been up and running for 3 weeks while the 555DR had only been up and running for 3 days (even though it was used before this time)
Ideas and observations from experienced users appreciated
I think we should each go with the configuration which sounds best us. There are bound to be different findings from different ears. I did the home dem with DR on analogue and non DR on digital. I thought it sounded fantastic. I ended up with two DRs. For those of us who wish to avail ourselves of the used market in non DR PSs, it really doesn't make any difference which way round they are plugged. Just swap them over. It takes maybe a minute.
Interesting comments
For reference i found the following -
Single non DR 555 ok (improvement over XPS and xp5xs)
Single DR555 improvement over non DR (more open and control)
DR555 on input 1 and non DR on input 2 give a big step up to single 555 (either variant)
DR555 on input 2 and non DR on input 1 seems the best configuration i found when mixing 555 (more settled than previous with better control and transparency)
2 x DR555 significant step up to any of the above configs - more of everything in every area (control, dynamic, transparency, openness, natural tone etc)
My friend (he loaned me the non DR as he runs 2 into 555CD) and i were both secretly hoping that the difference wouldn't be too great. Him for obvious reasons (upgrades) and me for other reasons (cost of additional PS). Unfortunately it is a major step up and the second DR is staying with me.
There is probably no one more sceptical of the power supply regime than me so the above really should be taken in context with this in mind. Before hearing the above i was absolutely adamant that there was no way that i would ever entertain a player with 2 power supplies. The amount of ridicule i had previously given my friend about his cd player configuration adds weight to my stance. I now have to find time to put on a bib and slowly eat the egg from my face due to the above findings - it really is that big a difference
More to follow when the obligatory "warm up" period is over if anyone wants to know
Although naim doesn't officially state it, there are reports of further improvements to be had, beyond a dual 555PS setup, by just stacking a few additional 555PS in the vicinity of the NDS. The NDS seems to benefit plainly from the proximity of these weighty power supplies (DR or not is secondary here). Effects are audible, particularly at low frequencies, even when the additional 555PS are not connected to the mains - with the nice side effect of this being energy-neutral!
Cheers,
S,
Stefan - are you saying that having the extra mass from a couple of un-connected 555PS supplies on the same rack is making a difference (so the same could be achieved with a load of bricks, lead weights etc...)
James
Silly me...I thought Stefan was joking!
I place heavy books on empty Fraim shelves just as a precaution. But I would question any other "proximity effect" from idle PSs. We do know that large torroidal supplies send EMI up and down (from the right hand side of the PS enclosre), so perhaps placing idle 555PS's above or below could suppress some of this radiation?
But talk about an expensive way of adding a bit of shielding!!!
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DR555 on input 2 and non DR on input 1 seems the best configuration i found when mixing 555 (more settled than previous with better control and transparency)
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Interesting findings Yorkslad, and thanks for posting!
If I look at the manual, it see that Burndy input 1 is for digital, and input 2 is for analog.
You prefer the DR'ed supply on the analog input, whereas Chris Bell prefers it on the digital input.
Harry liked what he heard with the DR'ed supply on the analog input, but wound up with DR'ed supplies on both.
Sounds to me like two 555PS's are a winning NDS upgrade in any combination. Very tempting!
Someday perhaps...
Hook
Silly me...I thought Stefan was joking!

I did too!

If you've got the money have a listen. Can't hurt. But prepare not to have the money thereafter.
I have a friend in Seattle with a nearly identical system and he prefers the DR into the analog side and non-DR into the digital side. The arrangement of the power supplies appears to be somewhat subjective... I'm sure 2 DRs are magical.... my DR Supercap transformed the Superline it powers.
I have a friend in Seattle with a nearly identical system and he prefers the DR into the analog side and non-DR into the digital side. The arrangement of the power supplies appears to be somewhat subjective... I'm sure 2 DRs are magical.... my DR Supercap transformed the Superline it powers.
Were you using the 552's AUX2 before getting the SC?
This is the other PS upgrade that's been tugging at my heartstrings. Dr. Steve and others have said here that it's a big step forward, but I also recall Chris Koster telling a couple of years ago that he was staying with his 552's AUX2.
@Harry - that's exactly why I've hesitated...I'm a sucker for audible upgrades!
Yikes, this is turning into a scary thread for me...
The good news Hook is that you're not exactly slumming it already. So all is well. You've just got options - if and when...
Hook,
Yes, I ran my Superline for years with the 552 AUX2. The DR Supercap transformed the sound into another world... Vinyl went from good to astonishing. I highly recommend this upgrade (as well as a 4-5 Sarum TA cable).
For clarity -
I now have 2 DR555 which is the best combination by far
I've got that block too Dusty. We're not by any chance using the same system in parallel universes? Stranger things have happened.
Sorry Harry, I completely missed this...and yes we are and were and always will be
X 2 555DR for me. Yes, I contemplated real hard for a long time re Hugo and stayed true to Naim....as always! Yes more expensive, but I know that with Naim!!!!
It just sounds "right" to me in a way that I can't really define. When something's right it's right. It's different for everyone - thank goodness.
OK, it was a joke - I was just a little shocked about the overkill of two 555 on the NDS!
Now here is no joke: of the 555PS supplying the analog side/Burndy, only two powerrails are used (this is clearly visible from pictures of the internals of the 555 DR), namely +/- 22V. In an earlier thread on NDS-PSUs ('556 PS for NDS?', now closed), others and myself speculated if naim might have another PSU in its sleeves that provides separately the full six power rails that the NDS' analog Burndy is capable of receiving (3x +22V and 3x -22V). In theory this should sound even better than a second 555 (unless James in that thread is right and the NDS' internal regulation would not really let this shine?).
Cheers,
Stefan