Does Unitiserve improve performance

Posted by: Tariqv on 21 March 2015

Hello,

I have an NDX amplified by an XS-2, and planning an upgrade. I had been advised by aNaim retailer that a Unitiserve should be the first upgrade option. Having auditioned the same setup that I have with and without the Unitiserve, I have indeed noticed a noticeable improvement in timing, cohesiveness and musicality (apologies for the laymans terms) with the Unitiserve as the primary source rather than uPnP.

Would appreciate any comments, and your suggestions as to what would your preference be as the next upgrade.

Thanks
Posted on: 21 March 2015 by Mike-B

Hi Tariqv,  IME & some others on the forum do not agree the US is better compared to a correctly installed fully wired NAS.

 

But your post raises questions - UnitiServe compared to what???

- what/where are you storing your files on before the US

- what UPnP/DNLA server

- how is data transferred (ethernet, wireless, EoP) 

 

Posted on: 21 March 2015 by Tariqv
I have a Synology NAS connected via ethernet, I use FLAC files instead of WAV
Posted on: 21 March 2015 by Huge

Try plugging a USB stick into the front of the NDX, unplugging the Ethernet cable, and playing file from the stick.  If they sound better, then your network is degrading the sound, and that's what needs fixing.

 

Are you using a separate network switch or just your ISP provided router?

Posted on: 21 March 2015 by Mike-B

This is most likely going to be one of those no conclusion threads........

 

What did you play when you auditioned the UnitiServe, .flac or .wav & was it transcoded ?? & what was the comparison with,  what NAS, .flac or .wav & what UPnP.

I ask because reading other posts it seems there might be an SQ change between the various UPnP servers with transcoding.

So it seems important to compare exactly the same file types without the complication of UPnP server transcoding variables.

 

The next complication is what UnitiServe are you talking about, the standard UnitiServe has an internal HDD & the SSD variant uses an external NAS.

 

But IMO the bottom line is – with the same file type (.flac or .wav) & no transcoding, the NDX receives exactly the same data from a NAS as it would receive from a UnitiServe, & the data stream is then received & stored in the NDX buffer, so I find it hard to understand why there would be an SQ change.

Posted on: 21 March 2015 by Tariqv
I have played the same flac files from the front usb stick as well, no discernable difference between the NAS and USB, so the NAS setup is ok IMO. I do not have a dedicated switch however, I use the modem/router supplied from my ISP, would the splitter make a difference?

During the audition we compared similar flac files through the front usb, through the NAS and flac files stored on the HDD Unitiserve.

Just want to reiterate that my only concern is not whether the US would provide better sound but what would be the best upgrade step for my system.

Thanks
Posted on: 21 March 2015 by Harry
Originally Posted by Tariqv:
Just want to reiterate that my only concern is not whether the US would provide better sound but what would be the best upgrade step for my system.

A server running on your NAS such as Minim or Asset and an NDS. If the NDS is too much of a stretch, then Minim or Asset. It's really easy to check this out for yourself before you spend anything.

Posted on: 21 March 2015 by hungryhalibut

A UnitiServe is definitely not the best upgrade. Put Minim on your NAS and set it to transcode to WAV. I had a UnitiServe since starting streaming, and it's great for a novice, but I think the Synology using Minim actually sounds better.

 

As an upgrade, a power supply for the NDX is probably the way to go, though others have found adding a Chord DAC to the NDX gives great improvements. Whether that's true I have no idea, but it's certainly a lot cheaper.

Posted on: 21 March 2015 by Huge
Originally Posted by Tariqv:
I have played the same flac files from the front usb stick as well, no discernable difference between the NAS and USB, so the NAS setup is ok IMO. I do not have a dedicated switch however, I use the modem/router supplied from my ISP, would the splitter make a difference?

During the audition we compared similar flac files through the front usb, through the NAS and flac files stored on the HDD Unitiserve.

Just want to reiterate that my only concern is not whether the US would provide better sound but what would be the best upgrade step for my system.

Thanks

If there's no discernible difference when playing from a USB stick (assuming you physically disconnected the network), then your digital set-up is as good as it can be.  Changing to a UnitiServe won't actually improve the sound.

 

Using Minim to transcode to WAV may give an improvement.

 

 

The best upgrade options for you are

Add a HC(DR) to the XS-2

Add a XPS to the NDX

Add an external DAC to the NDX (nDAC / 555PS or Chord are usually recommended)

Replace the XS-2 with an SN2

Replace the XS-2 with a NAC202 / NAP200

Replace the NDX with a NDS

 

The only real way to tell which option is best for you, is to listen to all the options with your system / speakers.

 

Posted on: 21 March 2015 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by Tariqv:
I do not have a dedicated switch however, I use the modem/router supplied from my ISP, 

And while your considering all the suggestions per above posts,   add a switch

- ISP router to switch

- NAS (or whatever) to switch

- NDX to switch

Posted on: 21 March 2015 by Tariqv
Thanks to all whove responded; so I will definately forego the Unitiserve as per your suggestions.

Now, I'm inclined to go forth with the following in no particular preference order:

- replace XS-2 with SN-2: Would it really be a big step forwards? Or should I go pre+power instead?
- add a power suppy to NDX
- add a DAC to NDX. I had auditioned Chord's QBD76 but did not care for its sound much, preferred the bare NDX over it by far; so not really sure how the Chord Hugo would improve on the NDX?
Posted on: 21 March 2015 by Harry

It's always going to be down to personal taste. The Naim DAC is IMO a good upgrade for the NDX. Best to let your ears decide.

Posted on: 21 March 2015 by dayjay

+1 for the Hugo.  I demoed  the Naim dac and Hugo at home and was amazed at home much better the Hugo sounded to me.  Its a brilliant upgrade for a relatively small amount of money

Posted on: 21 March 2015 by Bart

XS-2 to Supernait 2 definitely is a big step up.  We made that change over a year ago and noticed the great improvement immediately.

Posted on: 21 March 2015 by Tariqv
Thanks Bart, could you please share what kind of improvement you experienced? Have you added a power supply to the sn2 later?
Posted on: 22 March 2015 by Naimthatune

Room correction...   

Posted on: 22 March 2015 by Bart
Originally Posted by Tariqv:
Thanks Bart, could you please share what kind of improvement you experienced? Have you added a power supply to the sn2 later?

I already owned a HiCap, but I did get it converted to the DR version.  I did not do extensive listening with vs. without the HiCap.

 

I'm not good with hi fi vocabulary, but can state with certainty the the Supernait 2 over the Nait XS was "more of everything."  My wife provides an independent set of ears for my equipment changes, and she was extremely favorably impressed immediately, with no idea how much it cost vs the Nait XS.  If pressed, I'd say it presents much the same sonic characteristics, but just better in every way.  Again, hi fi vocabulary isn't a strong suit of mine.

Posted on: 23 March 2015 by Bart
Originally Posted by Wat:

Room correction 

I'd be interested in auditioning some of the better room correction boxes, but can't quite figure out how they'd be installed with a Supernait 2.  I've got a sub-optimal room and WAF prohibits the basic changes that'd improve it.