Triple Flats? (music notation)

Posted by: Dungassin on 21 March 2015

I'm currently trying to get my head round Jazz Guitar (my Guitar teacher thinks it will be good for me!)

 

Currently I'm learning 'Bluesette' from Jazz Guitar Standards II, and came across a couple of chord names which didn't make much sense to me.

 

The first was written down as D(3flats)maj7.   I scratched my head for a bit, and decided that it must be based on Dflat rather than D, and that (2flats)maj7 actually made it to be D6.  I assume the strange naming was because of the key (Bb)

 

The second was D(3flats)6.  I assume this to work out to actually being Dflat5.

 

Am I correct?   And, why the f**k couldn't the writer just use the more conventional names?

 

Posted on: 21 March 2015 by Lionel

I suggest you ask your guitar tutor?

Posted on: 21 March 2015 by TOBYJUG

Because they are not conventional chords buy any stretch of the imagination/fingers.

dont get too bogged down by the complexities and structures of jazz playing as it looks on paper. Better to get your ear in sync with your fingers.

Posted on: 21 March 2015 by dave4jazz

Your version of Bluesette is in D Locrian mode which has 3 flats: D - Eb - F - G - Ab - Bb - C - D

 

In D Locrian D6 will be: D - F - Ab - Bb

 

Maybe your teacher can recommend a decent chord theory book.

 

Dave

 

Posted on: 21 March 2015 by Dungassin

Can't ask my tutor as he is on holiday ATM.

 

I had figured out the D Locrian bit for myself, BTW.  

 

I have a chord theory book by Bruce Arnold (only got Vol 1 so far), and am slowly working my way through it.  I did look up the chords on t'interweb, which is where I got my current ideas from.  I think what I say is correct, but was just hoping for a bit confirmation.

 

Not very good at improvisation, alas, although I am getting better.  I do find that I often don't play exactly what's written down, and often think my version is better!

 

Also trying very hard to become competent at sight reading ordinary notation for guitar.

 

Alas, can only spend about an hour a day practising, and on days when we go to babysit etc even that doesn't happen.   Whoever thought that being retired meant you had lots of spare time?  I seem to be just as busy now as when I was a full-time NHS Consultant, although I will admit a lot of the "business" is self-inflicted.  

Posted on: 22 March 2015 by Dungassin

I just had a burst of inspiration this morning, and did what I should have done in the first place.  The Jazz Guitar Standards books (from MelBay) have four different arrangements of each piece : Lead Sheet, Chord Melody, Comping Etude, Single-Note Solo.   I just did a bit of comparison between the various arrangements, and discovered that for some in each case where a D(3 flats) chord appears, in the corresponding place is a C chord.   So the offending chords turn out to be CflatMaj7 and Cflat6!

 

I needed to know the chords because at some stage I usually finish up playing the chords as rhythm accompaniment while my tutor plays the lead.

 

Very strange ...