Statement has landed

Posted by: Graham Clarke on 09 May 2015

So after three long months of waiting, my Statement preamp finally arrived yesterday.  I managed to do pretty well in being patient until we got down to around the last ten days…  This was the starting point:

 

 

Since my Statement home demo via UHES in January I’ve changed my two main interconnects to Super Lumina ones and have swapped out NAC A5 for Super Lumina, at a somewhat excessive cost, but with brilliant results. 

 

 

To answer a previous question asked on the Forum regarding how these speaker cables are tuned, it is down to the resistor used.  The resistor is soldered across the positive and negative cables and then surrounded in the metal box to protect it.  This provides the correct inductance that the power amps require.  The tuning is the value of the resistor and the type of resistor used (e.g. RS Components, Farnell etc).  Required values were determined for specific lengths via listening and then other lengths were calculated via a computer program.

 

Anyway, onto the day.  The plan was to check the torque settings on the S-600 speakers’ drive unit screws, break down, clean, tighten and reconfigure the Fraim racks, install the six Super Lumina DIN-XLR cables and oh, just add the Statement S-1 pre-amp to the mix, replacing the 552…

 

To complete this task we had four people.  Ian and Norman from UHES of course, plus Jason Gould and Mark Raggett directly from Naim.  It’s always enjoyable spending time with Ian and Norman but also getting to spend around four hours with Jason and Mark was the icing on the cake.

 

 

Ian first checked the speaker torque settings, which turned out to be fine since their last check nearly two years ago.  Given I purchased these as ex-demo speakers from UHES it’s probably no surprise that they had already bedded in and didn’t need further adjustment.

 

I wish I could say the same about the Fraim racks.  These were new a year ago and Ian had told me that I should check the tightness of the spikes after a few months because there is a degree of compression and expansion of the wood from new which will loosen them.  Having assumed that they would just be slightly loose combined with a degree of laziness and a manic work schedule I’m afraid I hadn’t bothered.  Well, when we broke down the power supply Fraim rack and lifted the base off the carpet, one of the spikes remained embedded in the concrete floor, to my embarrassment!  So YES, you really DO need to check these with newly built Fraim racks.

 

During this time break down time, Jason and Mark had man handled the S-1 flight case out of Mark’s car.  At least for the UK, these are delivered direct from the factory to the customer.  “Man handled” is the correct term given the 102Kg shipping weight but this was slightly easier than in January as the case now has detachable wheels.  Direct delivery is done to ensure that the unit turns up in 100% perfect condition both cosmetically and functionally.  This was of course not a problem with mine.

 

While they were busy doing this, I kept myself busy by taking a look at the long awaited DIN-XLR cables.

 

Anyone familiar with Powerlines or Hi-Lines will recognise the packaging.

 

 

 

As you can see, both ends use the Air-PLUG technology that the other Super Lumina cables use via a set of interconnecting metal rings.  The XLR canons are also metal, unlike the original ones.

 

Jumping forward slightly, the only glitch of the day was that when installing these cables into my Snaxo BMR, the far end of the Air-PLUG connectors on the top cable touch the one beneath.  When the system has bedded in I’ll have to see whether this actually makes an audible difference.

 

 

There was another box which was unexpected, this turned out to be the Statement accessory kit, the finish of which was beautiful.

 

 

There were three layers to this box with the top containing the manual and a spirit level.

 

 

The second layer in mine was empty given I had not purchased the Statement power amps.  Apparently I am the first person world wide that Naim have supplied with just the pre-amp, all other purchasers have gone for the complete system.

 

In the bottom layer of the box were a number of tools

 

 

Including some Statement Fraim chips (different from standard ones) and the remote control which is in the bag on the right.  This is constructed of metal and is similar in weight and feel to the NARCOM remote.

 

Given the NARCOM remote is £300, I dread to think how much a replacement one of these would be.  I better not lose it down the back of the sofa.

 

After completing the first Fraim rack, Jason and Mark unpacked the pre-amp.

 

 

Given the size, weight and space constraints this does need to be planned!  With the protective cover removed it finally appeared for the first time.

 

 

Even unpackaged this weighs 60Kg so moving into position isn’t an easy task.  This is what it looks like inside to help explain (no, this isn't mine!)

 

 

That's a lot of components!

 

Happily (for me) I left the task of moving to Mark.

 

 

No pressure there Mark, I’m sure you loved me taking pictures of you while you were doing this!

 

 

We agree not to put it flush up to the racks so that it could be easily cleaned.  Getting the position right, ensuring it was absolutely level and parallel with the left hand rack easily took 30 minutes such was the perfectionist nature of Ian and Mark. 

 

Installing the second Fraim was relatively straightforward after this, poor Ian was left to do this while everyone else chatted and watched on.  Jason commented that normally with home installs they get involved directly but knew that they could leave this to Ian given his expertise.  High praise indeed for UHES.

 

One added bonus of moving to two racks and separating them slightly is that cable dressing is now much better, with no Burndys touching the wall and all but a few cables off the floor.

 

 

Finally, after over four hours of work, everything was set up and listening was about to begin!

 

 

By now it was about 6:30PM and we had a dinner reservation for 7:30 as we were all hungry, so we only had limited listening time.  I wasn’t too worried about this because the pre-amp is brand new and stone cold, the DIN-XLRs are also new and the rest of the system would have cooled down, so my expectations weren’t too high.

 

From the first track there was a slight degree of harshness around the sound.  This was consistent with the from cold demo in January.  High frequencies were also a little tight and I’d say that the pre-amp and system in generally was probably only at around 50% of its full potential.  Despite that, some of the greatness from the January demo was already apparent: the super low noise floor (if it was any lower it would be sucking noise out of the room) along with the incredible detail and separation of every instrument being played.

 

Unfortunately Saturday obligations mean I won’t get to listen further until later in the afternoon, but both main sources have been left active playing into the system and with further warm up I’m expecting a big jump.  So you’ll have to wait a while longer for the clichés and superlatives.

 

More to follow and thanks for reading if you got this far.

 

 

Posted on: 08 June 2015 by Graham Clarke

Yay!  Preamp has got its mojo back!

 

Bass has tightened up but also goes lower than before.  All the detail is now back.  The previously laid back treble (almost so laid back as to be horizontal) has woken up and sat up!

 

 

Posted on: 08 June 2015 by Harry

And on a Monday morning. Perfect timing!

 

Or maybe you aren't working. I wish.

Posted on: 08 June 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:

Yay!  Preamp has got its mojo back!

 

Bass has tightened up but also goes lower than before.  All the detail is now back.  The previously laid back treble (almost so laid back as to be horizontal) has woken up and sat up!

 

 

good to 'hear' Graham... 

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 08 June 2015 by J.N.

Good news Graham. I joke with a Naim owning friend of mine, when my system is 'cooking', that it sounds almost worth the money.

 

Enjoy.

 

John.

Posted on: 08 June 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by Harry:

And on a Monday morning. Perfect timing!

 

Or maybe you aren't working. I wish.

Delayed posting...  Mojo rediscovered Sunday evening, just didn't post then...

Posted on: 08 June 2015 by Harry

I think I can guess the reason for the delay

Posted on: 08 June 2015 by AussieSteve

Hi Graham, hope all is well with you and your system. Can I ask you if you have a dedicated line from the fuse box directly to your wall socket for your gear, and if you use a high quality power unit like for example the Isotek Evo3 Titan? My mate is an electrical engineer and he advised me to do that (on my scale $) and it made a heck of a difference. I thought originally using that stuff would stifle dynamics ect, but I have found it doesn't at all. The top tier stuff, whilst expensive alright, would help your impeccable system even more I reckon. I don't have the grey matter to understand the very complex nature of electricity, but he helps me understand how vital clean power is. A bloke I'm aware of in Japan who has a mega system spent $50K on supplying his system with near perfect power, and apparently the results speak for themselves. Just a thought from an admirer mate, Cheers Steve

Posted on: 08 June 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by AussieSteve:

Hi Graham, hope all is well with you and your system. Can I ask you if you have a dedicated line from the fuse box directly to your wall socket for your gear, and if you use a high quality power unit like for example the Isotek Evo3 Titan? My mate is an electrical engineer and he advised me to do that (on my scale $) and it made a heck of a difference. I thought originally using that stuff would stifle dynamics ect, but I have found it doesn't at all. The top tier stuff, whilst expensive alright, would help your impeccable system even more I reckon. I don't have the grey matter to understand the very complex nature of electricity, but he helps me understand how vital clean power is. A bloke I'm aware of in Japan who has a mega system spent $50K on supplying his system with near perfect power, and apparently the results speak for themselves. Just a thought from an admirer mate, Cheers Steve

Steve,

 

I have a separate consumer unit wired in parallel from the commercial mains feed. 

 

That connects via 10mm2 ring main cable to an unswitched wall socket that is silver plated. 

 

That then feeds an 8 way distribution block which connected to the wallk socket via 6mm2 mains cable and each socket is also silver plated.

 

Finally all my components use Powerlines.

 

I got the separate dedicated spur installed a long time before the S1 pre, it made a huge difference to the sound.  In a way that isn't surprising given it affects all powered components unlike say a box change or cable change.

 

I think general Naim advice is to stay away from mains conditioners and things like that, so I've not gone there.

 

Graham

Posted on: 08 June 2015 by AussieSteve

Graham, That sounds awesome mate. what is a consumer unit? and is the 8 way distribution box a branded 8 way power board type of thing? that sounds very exciting and one heck of way to go! As I upgrade I look at ways folks like you have done it, the top tier conditioners are something I have never used, just read about. The only thing I use apart from a dedicated spur is an Isotek Syncro, which perfectly balances the feed and has completely removed the transformer hums. The 6 socket board is reasonable quality, but not silver. Cheers mate

Posted on: 09 June 2015 by AussieSteve

Hi mate, I discovered what you mean. I have learned so much on this forum it's excellent. The people here like yourself are so willing to share knowledge it has helped me understand so much more. At my financial level having what I do is a miracle, and I worried spending for a 282 would be a waste in real sound improvement terms. Yet as soon as I turned it on even my wife was amazed at the difference from the 172. I have read about all these terms about clarity in audio magazines but couldn't really comprehend it, so it must be utterly extraordinary to go from mine to yours. I can't picture what it's like as I have never heard a top notch system in my life, but the thrill each level up to the top must be wild! Thanks for sharing your experiences mate, and have a ball. I do reading about it. Cheers mate Steve

Posted on: 09 June 2015 by Graham Clarke

A consumer unit is what many years ago would have been called a "fuse box".  Nowadays its the circuit breaker containing RCDs.

 

The 8 way mains block is from Mains Cables R Us in the UK, as was the ring main cable.

Posted on: 09 June 2015 by AussieSteve

Thanks for the tip mate, that is an excellent store with pretty great prices too, you folks in the UK are spoiled for choice lucky buggers!

Posted on: 09 June 2015 by TOBYJUG
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by AussieSteve:

Hi Graham, hope all is well with you and your system. Can I ask you if you have a dedicated line from the fuse box directly to your wall socket for your gear, and if you use a high quality power unit like for example the Isotek Evo3 Titan? My mate is an electrical engineer and he advised me to do that (on my scale $) and it made a heck of a difference. I thought originally using that stuff would stifle dynamics ect, but I have found it doesn't at all. The top tier stuff, whilst expensive alright, would help your impeccable system even more I reckon. I don't have the grey matter to understand the very complex nature of electricity, but he helps me understand how vital clean power is. A bloke I'm aware of in Japan who has a mega system spent $50K on supplying his system with near perfect power, and apparently the results speak for themselves. Just a thought from an admirer mate, Cheers Steve

Steve,

 

I have a separate consumer unit wired in parallel from the commercial mains feed. 

 

That connects via 10mm2 ring main cable to an unswitched wall socket that is silver plated. 

 

That then feeds an 8 way distribution block which connected to the wallk socket via 6mm2 mains cable and each socket is also silver plated.

 

Finally all my components use Powerlines.

 

I got the separate dedicated spur installed a long time before the S1 pre, it made a huge difference to the sound.  In a way that isn't surprising given it affects all powered components unlike say a box change or cable change.

 

I think general Naim advice is to stay away from mains conditioners and things like that, so I've not gone there.

 

Graham

 

 

  Hello Graham.

Could you please indulge my interest and tell me what separate consumer unit you use for the hifi ring.

There is a lot to choose from and some with audiophile pretensions.

Posted on: 09 June 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by TOBYJUG:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by AussieSteve:

Hi Graham, hope all is well with you and your system. Can I ask you if you have a dedicated line from the fuse box directly to your wall socket for your gear, and if you use a high quality power unit like for example the Isotek Evo3 Titan? My mate is an electrical engineer and he advised me to do that (on my scale $) and it made a heck of a difference. I thought originally using that stuff would stifle dynamics ect, but I have found it doesn't at all. The top tier stuff, whilst expensive alright, would help your impeccable system even more I reckon. I don't have the grey matter to understand the very complex nature of electricity, but he helps me understand how vital clean power is. A bloke I'm aware of in Japan who has a mega system spent $50K on supplying his system with near perfect power, and apparently the results speak for themselves. Just a thought from an admirer mate, Cheers Steve

Steve,

 

I have a separate consumer unit wired in parallel from the commercial mains feed. 

 

That connects via 10mm2 ring main cable to an unswitched wall socket that is silver plated. 

 

That then feeds an 8 way distribution block which connected to the wallk socket via 6mm2 mains cable and each socket is also silver plated.

 

Finally all my components use Powerlines.

 

I got the separate dedicated spur installed a long time before the S1 pre, it made a huge difference to the sound.  In a way that isn't surprising given it affects all powered components unlike say a box change or cable change.

 

I think general Naim advice is to stay away from mains conditioners and things like that, so I've not gone there.

 

Graham

 

 

  Hello Graham.

Could you please indulge my interest and tell me what separate consumer unit you use for the hifi ring.

There is a lot to choose from and some with audiophile pretensions.

Tobyjug,

 

I didn't evaluate any, I just bought one.  So I think it would be misleading for me to name the brand as I wouldn't want that to be taken as a recommendation...

 

I'm not sure whether anyone has looked into whether different brands make a difference, sonically.

 

What I will say is that if you are UK based the standard RCDs installed may be insufficient for the transient current draw of Naim power supplies.  Mine came supplied with a B16 but repeatedly tripped while trying to power on the kit. It was changed to a C32.

 

Do NOT try to install or upgrade a consumer unit yourself.  In UK, use a Part P qualified electrician to do the work for you and discuss any potential changes with them first.  Safety precautions and requirements first...

Posted on: 09 June 2015 by pslosarc

 Memera CU best

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by KPMLR
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:

Yay!  Preamp has got its mojo back!

 

Bass has tightened up but also goes lower than before.  All the detail is now back.  The previously laid back treble (almost so laid back as to be horizontal) has woken up and sat up!

 

 

There seems to be a formula here. More Expensive Naim equipment = More difficult to get the equipment to sound good/right?

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by KPMLR:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:

Yay!  Preamp has got its mojo back!

 

Bass has tightened up but also goes lower than before.  All the detail is now back.  The previously laid back treble (almost so laid back as to be horizontal) has woken up and sat up!

 

 

There seems to be a formula here. More Expensive Naim equipment = More difficult to get the equipment to sound good/right?

its not 'difficult' as such -- you just need to give the system time to run-in; and you do that by playing music through it. 

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by ken c:
Originally Posted by KPMLR:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:

Yay!  Preamp has got its mojo back!

 

Bass has tightened up but also goes lower than before.  All the detail is now back.  The previously laid back treble (almost so laid back as to be horizontal) has woken up and sat up!

 

 

There seems to be a formula here. More Expensive Naim equipment = More difficult to get the equipment to sound good/right?

its not 'difficult' as such -- you just need to give the system time to run-in; and you do that by playing music through it. 

 

enjoy

ken

Yes, Ken's right.  Also, as you move up the Naim ladder the equipment becomes more revealing so slight changes become more noticeable.

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by Harry
Originally Posted by KPMLR:
There seems to bea formulahere. More ExpensiveNaimequipment = More difficultto getthe equipmentto sound good/right?

No. Not all equipment sounds bad during run in and price does not factor in.

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by martin dahl

I believe KPMLR was being ironic.... that usually bites it itself afterwards on this forum.... :-)

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by Darke Bear
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
...Also, as you move up the Naim ladder the equipment becomes more revealing so slight changes become more noticeable.

This is very true. Some people think that when you pay more money then this should mean that things will be more perfect and have no run-in effects. It would be great indeed if that were so - I'll take it if it can be done - but it seems that these are endemic and more revealing equipment just lets you hear it more clearly as it is ongoing.

 

There are some manufacturers that claim their equipment has no run-in and no need to sit on special HiFi tables to sound at its best. I listened to it and they are mainly right, but not in my opinion for good reasons.

 

It is frustrating though and I fully understand people getting annoyed by it and expecting better.

 

DB.

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by Harry
Originally Posted by martin dahl:

I believe KPMLR was being ironic.... that usually bites it itself afterwards on this forum.... :-)

I can't mind read. What I can say is that some comparatively expensive equipment in this house hasn't sounded like it needed running in at all and some has. The least expensive Naim component I ever bought was a run in nightmare and other comparatively low priced pieces were not.  You could call that irony too I suppose.

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by Bert Schurink
Originally Posted by Darke Bear:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
...Also, as you move up the Naim ladder the equipment becomes more revealing so slight changes become more noticeable.

This is very true. Some people think that when you pay more money then this should mean that things will be more perfect and have no run-in effects. It would be great indeed if that were so - I'll take it if it can be done - but it seems that these are endemic and more revealing equipment just lets you hear it more clearly as it is ongoing.

 

There are some manufacturers that claim their equipment has no run-in and no need to sit on special HiFi tables to sound at its best. I listened to it and they are mainly right, but not in my opinion for good reasons.

 

It is frustrating though and I fully understand people getting annoyed by it and expecting better.

 

DB.

Especially with regards to the cables - some run in in the factory would be much appreciated.

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by Darke Bear
Originally Posted by Bert Schurink:

Especially with regards to the cables - some run in in the factory would be much appreciated.

I agree - but I think the problem is the backlog on orders. Will customers really understand if their potential new order is being run-in for a few weeks. There is the understandable 'I want it now' that exists.

 

If Naim could ever get suitably ahead in their production then it would be good for them to design and implement a run-in process, but presently they are working to a 'just not in time' process.

 

DB.

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by Don Atkinson

Why not an option ? For example, with SL Speaker cables....

 

£300 per m DIY run in

£500 per m Naim run in and guaranteed.