Statement has landed

Posted by: Graham Clarke on 09 May 2015

So after three long months of waiting, my Statement preamp finally arrived yesterday.  I managed to do pretty well in being patient until we got down to around the last ten days…  This was the starting point:

 

 

Since my Statement home demo via UHES in January I’ve changed my two main interconnects to Super Lumina ones and have swapped out NAC A5 for Super Lumina, at a somewhat excessive cost, but with brilliant results. 

 

 

To answer a previous question asked on the Forum regarding how these speaker cables are tuned, it is down to the resistor used.  The resistor is soldered across the positive and negative cables and then surrounded in the metal box to protect it.  This provides the correct inductance that the power amps require.  The tuning is the value of the resistor and the type of resistor used (e.g. RS Components, Farnell etc).  Required values were determined for specific lengths via listening and then other lengths were calculated via a computer program.

 

Anyway, onto the day.  The plan was to check the torque settings on the S-600 speakers’ drive unit screws, break down, clean, tighten and reconfigure the Fraim racks, install the six Super Lumina DIN-XLR cables and oh, just add the Statement S-1 pre-amp to the mix, replacing the 552…

 

To complete this task we had four people.  Ian and Norman from UHES of course, plus Jason Gould and Mark Raggett directly from Naim.  It’s always enjoyable spending time with Ian and Norman but also getting to spend around four hours with Jason and Mark was the icing on the cake.

 

 

Ian first checked the speaker torque settings, which turned out to be fine since their last check nearly two years ago.  Given I purchased these as ex-demo speakers from UHES it’s probably no surprise that they had already bedded in and didn’t need further adjustment.

 

I wish I could say the same about the Fraim racks.  These were new a year ago and Ian had told me that I should check the tightness of the spikes after a few months because there is a degree of compression and expansion of the wood from new which will loosen them.  Having assumed that they would just be slightly loose combined with a degree of laziness and a manic work schedule I’m afraid I hadn’t bothered.  Well, when we broke down the power supply Fraim rack and lifted the base off the carpet, one of the spikes remained embedded in the concrete floor, to my embarrassment!  So YES, you really DO need to check these with newly built Fraim racks.

 

During this time break down time, Jason and Mark had man handled the S-1 flight case out of Mark’s car.  At least for the UK, these are delivered direct from the factory to the customer.  “Man handled” is the correct term given the 102Kg shipping weight but this was slightly easier than in January as the case now has detachable wheels.  Direct delivery is done to ensure that the unit turns up in 100% perfect condition both cosmetically and functionally.  This was of course not a problem with mine.

 

While they were busy doing this, I kept myself busy by taking a look at the long awaited DIN-XLR cables.

 

Anyone familiar with Powerlines or Hi-Lines will recognise the packaging.

 

 

 

As you can see, both ends use the Air-PLUG technology that the other Super Lumina cables use via a set of interconnecting metal rings.  The XLR canons are also metal, unlike the original ones.

 

Jumping forward slightly, the only glitch of the day was that when installing these cables into my Snaxo BMR, the far end of the Air-PLUG connectors on the top cable touch the one beneath.  When the system has bedded in I’ll have to see whether this actually makes an audible difference.

 

 

There was another box which was unexpected, this turned out to be the Statement accessory kit, the finish of which was beautiful.

 

 

There were three layers to this box with the top containing the manual and a spirit level.

 

 

The second layer in mine was empty given I had not purchased the Statement power amps.  Apparently I am the first person world wide that Naim have supplied with just the pre-amp, all other purchasers have gone for the complete system.

 

In the bottom layer of the box were a number of tools

 

 

Including some Statement Fraim chips (different from standard ones) and the remote control which is in the bag on the right.  This is constructed of metal and is similar in weight and feel to the NARCOM remote.

 

Given the NARCOM remote is £300, I dread to think how much a replacement one of these would be.  I better not lose it down the back of the sofa.

 

After completing the first Fraim rack, Jason and Mark unpacked the pre-amp.

 

 

Given the size, weight and space constraints this does need to be planned!  With the protective cover removed it finally appeared for the first time.

 

 

Even unpackaged this weighs 60Kg so moving into position isn’t an easy task.  This is what it looks like inside to help explain (no, this isn't mine!)

 

 

That's a lot of components!

 

Happily (for me) I left the task of moving to Mark.

 

 

No pressure there Mark, I’m sure you loved me taking pictures of you while you were doing this!

 

 

We agree not to put it flush up to the racks so that it could be easily cleaned.  Getting the position right, ensuring it was absolutely level and parallel with the left hand rack easily took 30 minutes such was the perfectionist nature of Ian and Mark. 

 

Installing the second Fraim was relatively straightforward after this, poor Ian was left to do this while everyone else chatted and watched on.  Jason commented that normally with home installs they get involved directly but knew that they could leave this to Ian given his expertise.  High praise indeed for UHES.

 

One added bonus of moving to two racks and separating them slightly is that cable dressing is now much better, with no Burndys touching the wall and all but a few cables off the floor.

 

 

Finally, after over four hours of work, everything was set up and listening was about to begin!

 

 

By now it was about 6:30PM and we had a dinner reservation for 7:30 as we were all hungry, so we only had limited listening time.  I wasn’t too worried about this because the pre-amp is brand new and stone cold, the DIN-XLRs are also new and the rest of the system would have cooled down, so my expectations weren’t too high.

 

From the first track there was a slight degree of harshness around the sound.  This was consistent with the from cold demo in January.  High frequencies were also a little tight and I’d say that the pre-amp and system in generally was probably only at around 50% of its full potential.  Despite that, some of the greatness from the January demo was already apparent: the super low noise floor (if it was any lower it would be sucking noise out of the room) along with the incredible detail and separation of every instrument being played.

 

Unfortunately Saturday obligations mean I won’t get to listen further until later in the afternoon, but both main sources have been left active playing into the system and with further warm up I’m expecting a big jump.  So you’ll have to wait a while longer for the clichés and superlatives.

 

More to follow and thanks for reading if you got this far.

 

 

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by Don Atkinson:

Why not an option ? For example, with SL Speaker cables....

 

£300 per m DIY run in

£500 per m Naim run in and guaranteed.

I know it's just an example but given I have 45m, at those prices I'd do the run in myself!

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by ken c

i prefer to do my own run-in, if that is all i have to do. the difficulty could be to distinguish between 'not yet run-in' and 'faulty'...

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by sheffieldgraham

Am I correct in thinking that de-stressing ( mechanical?) is not part of the ”burn in’ (electronic?) process.

Naim state they de-stress speaker cable but don’t mention I.C.’s

It would be interesting to know how Naim de-stress several metres of speaker cable.

Would it be possible for Naim to “burn in “ a complete roll of SL cable as supplied by the manufacturer by passing some form of  ‘audio signal” through the entire roll or a maximum  practical length before termination.

If it were possible it would be more efficient than burning in individual cables.

I’m no electronic expert so maybe it’s wishful thinking .

For you guys knowledgable in the field of electronics do you think  it ‘s possible

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by Don Atkinson
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by Don Atkinson:

Why not an option ? For example, with SL Speaker cables....

 

£300 per m DIY run in

£500 per m Naim run in and guaranteed.

I know it's just an example but given I have 45m, at those prices I'd do the run in myself!

OK Graham, using Sheffieldgraham'

s idea, i've brought the price of the Naim run in guaranteed cables down to £350 per m including special delivery and Naim installation.

 

Any takers now ? ken ? Graham ?

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by Don Atkinson

One of these days, the burn-in period for Naim kit will exceed the mean time between re-caps. Then what ? 

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by sheffieldgraham:

Am I correct in thinking that de-stressing ( mechanical?) is not part of the ”burn in’ (electronic?) process.

Naim state they de-stress speaker cable but don’t mention I.C.’s

It would be interesting to know how Naim de-stress several metres of speaker cable.

Would it be possible for Naim to “burn in “ a complete roll of SL cable as supplied by the manufacturer by passing some form of  ‘audio signal” through the entire roll or a maximum  practical length before termination.

If it were possible it would be more efficient than burning in individual cables.

I’m no electronic expert so maybe it’s wishful thinking .

For you guys knowledgable in the field of electronics do you think  it ‘s possible

The machine for de-stressing cables is a "SNAIC shaker".  When I saw it at Naim HQ it was used for interconnect cables, not speaker cables.

 

 

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by Don Atkinson:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by Don Atkinson:

Why not an option ? For example, with SL Speaker cables....

 

£300 per m DIY run in

£500 per m Naim run in and guaranteed.

I know it's just an example but given I have 45m, at those prices I'd do the run in myself!

OK Graham, using Sheffieldgraham'

s idea, i've brought the price of the Naim run in guaranteed cables down to £350 per m including special delivery and Naim installation.

 

Any takers now ? ken ? Graham ?

2 grand to run in 6 cables?  That's almost as crazy as someone spending a five figure amount on speaker cables in the first place!

 

Err....

 

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Don Atkinson:

One of these days, the burn-in period for Naim kit will exceed the mean time between re-caps. Then what ? 

... then we will 'discuss' it, bitterly, on this forum ...

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 10 June 2015 by Don Atkinson
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by Don Atkinson:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by Don Atkinson:

Why not an option ? For example, with SL Speaker cables....

 

£300 per m DIY run in

£500 per m Naim run in and guaranteed.

I know it's just an example but given I have 45m, at those prices I'd do the run in myself!

OK Graham, using Sheffieldgraham'

s idea, i've brought the price of the Naim run in guaranteed cables down to £350 per m including special delivery and Naim installation.

 

Any takers now ? ken ? Graham ?

2 grand to run in 6 cables?  That's almost as crazy as someone spending a five figure amount on speaker cables in the first place!

 

Err....

 

It's less than the VAT on your cables for which I presume George Osborn will have sent you a personal "thank-you" letter.........

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by Gingerbeard
Originally Posted by Briz Vegas:

Hifi folks are too hard on themselves and on the equipment.

 

There is a lot of black and white rubbish out there.   Cable X is God sent.  No, cable X is a case for the consumer watchdog, it's daylight robbery............etc.   In actual fact neither is true.

 

Great sounding gear does sound great, but your perception is really poor.  Many animals hear far better than we do even if we have the best brains to interpret that sound.  We have a better processor, but our senses are limited.

 

Think about it.  What our senses do best is detect differences.  The new.  Why? Because it keeps you alive. Once it's not new your brain gets bored.  It focuses on everything else looking for new differences.

 

i recently got a new car.  It replaced a decades old car ( symptom of buying hifi).  Guess what, to start with it seemed almost silent at idle and even when driving.  Why, because that was the huge difference from old to new.  Now, a week later, all I hear is the more subtle differences.  It's not as impressive, still great mind you.

 

You can trust your senses once you understand their limitations.  No reason to throw out the hobby however, which is the over reaction of some.  Fancy that, over reaction on the Internet.  It's either perfect or its shite.

 

 

This has to be one of the posts of the year IMO and I couldn't agree more with your comments Briz 

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by J.N.

Fair comment from BV. Hyperbole is difficult to avoid in the face of passion. Musical connection and enjoyment is passion, making Hi-Fi kit, and what it can do for our souls, a singular addiction.

 

John.

 

 

Posted on: 14 June 2015 by Graham Clarke

Another update:

 

It feels surprising that it has only been in place for five weeks.  In some ways it feels longer than that.  Not really sure I can explain why it feels that way.

 

After the 2-3 week run in wobble it has settled down and is now showing a combination of the best attributes pre-wobble plus the one advancement evidently during wobble time.

 

Namely that the bass extension improved during the wobble but was not well controlled, sounding somewhat flabby in indistinct.  Now things have tightened up yet the extra extension remains.  So that's a win!

 

The incredible detail has returned which I'm very happy about because this is one of the attributes I like the best about this preamp.

 

The treble has improved.  It had seemed to recede slightly during the wobble and the LF/HF balance didn't seem quite right.  That seems to have resolved itself.

 

I'm sure that the run in isn't complete yet, however I feel that that the majority of it has completed and we're now into the "law of diminishing returns" area.  Of course I could be proven wrong about that!

 

I probably won't post further updates because I doubt it will change much now and I don't feel I have much more of interest to add unless there is a sudden (unexpected) flurry of questions.  I feel like this thread has run its course now and this isn't really news anymore.  That's totally fine, that's just the nature of things. 

 

Hope these have been interesting insights into ownership.  Not an attempt at willy waving or attention seeking although I'm sure some may feel that way.  Presumably they're no longer reading this anyway!

Posted on: 14 June 2015 by FangfossFlyer

Thanks Graham for your postings as whilst I doubt I will go down the Statement route I have enjoyed reading them.

 

All the best,

 

Richard

Posted on: 14 June 2015 by ClaudeP
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:

 

I probably won't post further updates because I doubt it will change much now and I don't feel I have much more of interest to add unless there is a sudden (unexpected) flurry of questions.  I feel like this thread has run its course now and this isn't really news anymore.  That's totally fine, that's just the nature of things. 

 

Graham

 

Please, dont stop! I've been following this thread from the very beginning and enjoying each and every one of your updates. I want to know how things will evolve from now on. Maybe another update in 3 weeks or so?

 

Claude

Posted on: 14 June 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by ClaudeP:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:

 

I probably won't post further updates because I doubt it will change much now and I don't feel I have much more of interest to add unless there is a sudden (unexpected) flurry of questions.  I feel like this thread has run its course now and this isn't really news anymore.  That's totally fine, that's just the nature of things. 

 

Graham

 

Please, dont stop! I've been following this thread from the very beginning and enjoying each and every one of your updates. I want to know how things will evolve from now on. Maybe another update in 3 weeks or so?

 

Claude

Let's see if there is actually anything to report.

 

A report of "well it hasn't changed since last time" isn't exactly compelling reading, is it?

Posted on: 14 June 2015 by Christopher_M

^     Oh, I don't know, it worked for JK Rowling.

 

C.

Posted on: 14 June 2015 by Harry

Thanks Graham and my continued best wishes with it.

 

From unreliable memory the DR updates on the 552 took a good six months to reveal their true worth. You may still have a way to go. 

Posted on: 14 June 2015 by ClaudeP
Originally Posted by Christopher_M:

^     Oh, I don't know, it worked for JK Rowling.

 

C.

Posted on: 14 June 2015 by MDS

Thanks for sharing all this with us, Graham, and allowing many of us to enjoy your journey too.

 

Time to sit back and luxuriate in your newly system now.  

 

Mike 

Posted on: 14 June 2015 by Don Atkinson
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:

Let's see if there is actually anything to report.

 

A report of "well it hasn't changed since last time" isn't exactly compelling reading, is it?

It would be very reassuring and provide a nice degree of interim "closure".

 

I say "interim", because another update would be very good once Norman has made his follow-up visit in a few months time !

Posted on: 14 June 2015 by Jonas Olofsson
Graham, thank you for this post. Super interesting!

Who knows what the future holds in its hands :-)

//Jonas
Posted on: 22 June 2015 by Darke Bear

And so it begins...

 

DB.

Posted on: 22 June 2015 by Lionel

Do you know what? I think 3 monoliths are far less intrusive than 20 smaller boxes...God help you if they do an active version - which naim surely will.

 

Posted on: 22 June 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by Darke Bear:

And so it begins...

 

DB.

Oooh, nice!  Will be very interested to learn how the S1 pre performs in your system as you have the next level of amps and speakers up from me. 

 

Given in my system I get significantly more bass I wonder whether you'll need to think about trimming some of the levels in the floating SNAXO to take that into consideration?

 

Posted on: 22 June 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by Lionel:

Do you know what? I think 3 monoliths are far less intrusive than 20 smaller boxes...God help you if they do an active version - which naim surely will.

 

Yes, the 3 monoliths definitely look neater. 

 

I'd pondered how you would position 6 monoblocks for active usage.  Not because I have any thoughts on getting this myself (hell, even one set of monoblocks is a pipe dream), but because I am aware of at least one person considering it (not DB unless there's something he's not telling us ).

 

You can't really place them side by side due to the layout of the heat sinks so I guess you'd have to stack them front to back.  Need a lot of space for that...

 

I doubt Naim would do a Snaxo specific for this and if they don't on that basis technically the active Statement system is already achievable.  But the market would be absolutely minuscule.  That's over £350K for Statement and Snaxo.

 

Do wonder what it would sound like though!