Statement has landed

Posted by: Graham Clarke on 09 May 2015

So after three long months of waiting, my Statement preamp finally arrived yesterday.  I managed to do pretty well in being patient until we got down to around the last ten days…  This was the starting point:

 

 

Since my Statement home demo via UHES in January I’ve changed my two main interconnects to Super Lumina ones and have swapped out NAC A5 for Super Lumina, at a somewhat excessive cost, but with brilliant results. 

 

 

To answer a previous question asked on the Forum regarding how these speaker cables are tuned, it is down to the resistor used.  The resistor is soldered across the positive and negative cables and then surrounded in the metal box to protect it.  This provides the correct inductance that the power amps require.  The tuning is the value of the resistor and the type of resistor used (e.g. RS Components, Farnell etc).  Required values were determined for specific lengths via listening and then other lengths were calculated via a computer program.

 

Anyway, onto the day.  The plan was to check the torque settings on the S-600 speakers’ drive unit screws, break down, clean, tighten and reconfigure the Fraim racks, install the six Super Lumina DIN-XLR cables and oh, just add the Statement S-1 pre-amp to the mix, replacing the 552…

 

To complete this task we had four people.  Ian and Norman from UHES of course, plus Jason Gould and Mark Raggett directly from Naim.  It’s always enjoyable spending time with Ian and Norman but also getting to spend around four hours with Jason and Mark was the icing on the cake.

 

 

Ian first checked the speaker torque settings, which turned out to be fine since their last check nearly two years ago.  Given I purchased these as ex-demo speakers from UHES it’s probably no surprise that they had already bedded in and didn’t need further adjustment.

 

I wish I could say the same about the Fraim racks.  These were new a year ago and Ian had told me that I should check the tightness of the spikes after a few months because there is a degree of compression and expansion of the wood from new which will loosen them.  Having assumed that they would just be slightly loose combined with a degree of laziness and a manic work schedule I’m afraid I hadn’t bothered.  Well, when we broke down the power supply Fraim rack and lifted the base off the carpet, one of the spikes remained embedded in the concrete floor, to my embarrassment!  So YES, you really DO need to check these with newly built Fraim racks.

 

During this time break down time, Jason and Mark had man handled the S-1 flight case out of Mark’s car.  At least for the UK, these are delivered direct from the factory to the customer.  “Man handled” is the correct term given the 102Kg shipping weight but this was slightly easier than in January as the case now has detachable wheels.  Direct delivery is done to ensure that the unit turns up in 100% perfect condition both cosmetically and functionally.  This was of course not a problem with mine.

 

While they were busy doing this, I kept myself busy by taking a look at the long awaited DIN-XLR cables.

 

Anyone familiar with Powerlines or Hi-Lines will recognise the packaging.

 

 

 

As you can see, both ends use the Air-PLUG technology that the other Super Lumina cables use via a set of interconnecting metal rings.  The XLR canons are also metal, unlike the original ones.

 

Jumping forward slightly, the only glitch of the day was that when installing these cables into my Snaxo BMR, the far end of the Air-PLUG connectors on the top cable touch the one beneath.  When the system has bedded in I’ll have to see whether this actually makes an audible difference.

 

 

There was another box which was unexpected, this turned out to be the Statement accessory kit, the finish of which was beautiful.

 

 

There were three layers to this box with the top containing the manual and a spirit level.

 

 

The second layer in mine was empty given I had not purchased the Statement power amps.  Apparently I am the first person world wide that Naim have supplied with just the pre-amp, all other purchasers have gone for the complete system.

 

In the bottom layer of the box were a number of tools

 

 

Including some Statement Fraim chips (different from standard ones) and the remote control which is in the bag on the right.  This is constructed of metal and is similar in weight and feel to the NARCOM remote.

 

Given the NARCOM remote is £300, I dread to think how much a replacement one of these would be.  I better not lose it down the back of the sofa.

 

After completing the first Fraim rack, Jason and Mark unpacked the pre-amp.

 

 

Given the size, weight and space constraints this does need to be planned!  With the protective cover removed it finally appeared for the first time.

 

 

Even unpackaged this weighs 60Kg so moving into position isn’t an easy task.  This is what it looks like inside to help explain (no, this isn't mine!)

 

 

That's a lot of components!

 

Happily (for me) I left the task of moving to Mark.

 

 

No pressure there Mark, I’m sure you loved me taking pictures of you while you were doing this!

 

 

We agree not to put it flush up to the racks so that it could be easily cleaned.  Getting the position right, ensuring it was absolutely level and parallel with the left hand rack easily took 30 minutes such was the perfectionist nature of Ian and Mark. 

 

Installing the second Fraim was relatively straightforward after this, poor Ian was left to do this while everyone else chatted and watched on.  Jason commented that normally with home installs they get involved directly but knew that they could leave this to Ian given his expertise.  High praise indeed for UHES.

 

One added bonus of moving to two racks and separating them slightly is that cable dressing is now much better, with no Burndys touching the wall and all but a few cables off the floor.

 

 

Finally, after over four hours of work, everything was set up and listening was about to begin!

 

 

By now it was about 6:30PM and we had a dinner reservation for 7:30 as we were all hungry, so we only had limited listening time.  I wasn’t too worried about this because the pre-amp is brand new and stone cold, the DIN-XLRs are also new and the rest of the system would have cooled down, so my expectations weren’t too high.

 

From the first track there was a slight degree of harshness around the sound.  This was consistent with the from cold demo in January.  High frequencies were also a little tight and I’d say that the pre-amp and system in generally was probably only at around 50% of its full potential.  Despite that, some of the greatness from the January demo was already apparent: the super low noise floor (if it was any lower it would be sucking noise out of the room) along with the incredible detail and separation of every instrument being played.

 

Unfortunately Saturday obligations mean I won’t get to listen further until later in the afternoon, but both main sources have been left active playing into the system and with further warm up I’m expecting a big jump.  So you’ll have to wait a while longer for the clichés and superlatives.

 

More to follow and thanks for reading if you got this far.

 

 

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by 911gt3r
Originally Posted by tonym:
Originally Posted by tonym:
Originally Posted by Dustysox:

Dusty..Dusty...did someone call!!!!!

 

Great read from Miami guys. Good to read the the impact that the S1 is having.

 

Well done to Graham and his wife for the open doors for members to have a listen.

 

 

 

 

Dusty old bean - how dare you be in Miami! 

 

Yours affectionally atc.

Blimey! That's what a few glasses of red wine does to your spelling.

You should have stuck to Rocco Bay " Soft, smooth red".  ATB Peter

 

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by J.N.:

May I add my thanks to Graham and Debbie for making us so welcome; feeding and watering us, and playing us a nice variety of choons through that accursed vertical-form thingy which must be forgotten upon departure. I refer of course to the mighty Statement pre-amp, which (annoyingly!), looks so damn right between two stacks of Fraim.

 

As my fellow attendees have commented, the inky-blackness of the beast is quite something, making one realise that the 'off' bits of music are just as important as the 'on' bits. It does the 'on' bits pretty damn well too.

 

Graham and Debbie are enthusiastic about their music and introduced us to some unfamiliar material, which is part of the joy of this audiophile-socialising lark.

 

I've formed many a lasting friendship through Naim ownership and long may it continue. I hope to see you here, Graham and Debbie, for a return visit. Thanks again.

 

John.

Glad you had fun John and yes, we'd love to visit!

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by DaveBk:

Sounds like you all had an excellent day. The return trip to my place to see how my new room with acoustic treatment impacts the soind ot a lowly NDS/552/300/S600'system is planned for later this week. I'm sure Graham and Debs will post their thoughts.

Indeed we will.  USB memory stick already prepared

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by ken c

very interesting posts guys. i must admit last time i was @ Graham's, i didnt detect any room acoustic issues affecting the music in any way.

 

but who am i to talk -- my listening room is the size of a broom cupboard  -- its a miracle how SL2s fit and work in there :-)

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by Allante93

I feel you Ken, you are fortunate to be amongst those to even view the Statement!  But Gentleman, lets not forget there is a following of Naimee's that follow your Post with the intention of gaining insight.  I Can only Dream of the Statement, Missed it Tour In Chicago IL USA this Spring!  Quote from Audio Reviewer: 

 

"There are only two types of components worth owning, the best, and very close to the best, for a lot less Money" 

 

Thanks Gramham, for sharing your Post with the Vast Majority who fall into the latter part of the Reviewer's Quote. 

 

Could Any of you Lucky few comment on the differences between Sources, played through the Statement?  BTW  NDS, TT, CD555 Single or Twin 555PS. 

 

Thanks!  

 

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Allante93:

I feel you Ken, you are fortunate to be amongst those to even view the Statement!  

you are absolutely correct that i should feel "lucky" to be invited to audition the S1 @ Grahams when i did. that was with the demo S1 which was still pretty new at the time i listened to it -- but even then it was pretty special. i can only imagine what the whole system sounds like now that Graham's own S1 is now pretty much settled now (even though a well known S1 retailer posted that the run-in probably has a couple of months to go yet!!) Wo!!!

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 14 August 2015 by Dustysox

 

Originally Posted by tonym:
Originally Posted by tonym:
Originally Posted by Dustysox:

Dusty..Dusty...did someone call!!!!!

 

Great read from Miami guys. Good to read the the impact that the S1 is having.

 

Well done to Graham and his wife for the open doors for members to have a listen.

 

 

 

 

Dusty old bean - how dare you be in Miami! 

 

Yours affectionally atc.

Blimey! That's what a few glasses of red wine does to your spelling.

Hi Tony,

 

We should share a couple of glasses of red wine and see what it does for our speaking!!  

 

Yes, back from Miami for a special Birthday this year. I'm 18 years old this year with 32 years of experience 

 

Great news to read you all went round to Graham's. Great read. Is there any limit to the S1....Statement: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the Pre Amp....S1. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new rooms, to seek out new music and new interconnects, to boldly go where no pre amp has gone before!!!

 

No wine bottle was harmed  during the making of this post!!!!!!! 

Posted on: 15 August 2015 by DaveBk

Having heard the S1 at Graham's I've asked for a home demo on my humble passive 300 system. When I asked Naim and my dealer for opinions on whether I should go active first with 3x300 or drop in an S1 Pre and stay passive, the S1 got the vote. Seems it works miracles in pretty all systems tried so far.

 

Posted on: 15 August 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by DaveBk:

Having heard the S1 at Graham's I've asked for a home demo on my humble passive 300 system. When I asked Naim and my dealer for opinions on whether I should go active first with 3x300 or drop in an S1 Pre and stay passive, the S1 got the vote. Seems it works miracles in pretty all systems tried so far.

 

i believe this is the correct advice. you can always go active afterwards when the S1 is in place if this takes your fancy, S1 first doesnt preclude this possibility...

 

i have only ever heard S1 in an active system -- i would be very interested to hear what its like in a passive one in a domestic environment.

 

enjoy

ken

 

 

Posted on: 15 August 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by DaveBk:

Having heard the S1 at Graham's I've asked for a home demo on my humble passive 300 system. When I asked Naim and my dealer for opinions on whether I should go active first with 3x300 or drop in an S1 Pre and stay passive, the S1 got the vote. Seems it works miracles in pretty all systems tried so far.

 

What an interesting world we live in when a £45K+ system is referred to as humble! 

 

I'm sure the S1 will sound great in your system, Dave.  I assume you're still thinking of changing to SL speaker cable too?  Have they given you an ETA for the demo yet?

 

Please let us know how you get on!

Posted on: 15 August 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by ken c:
Originally Posted by DaveBk:

Having heard the S1 at Graham's I've asked for a home demo on my humble passive 300 system. When I asked Naim and my dealer for opinions on whether I should go active first with 3x300 or drop in an S1 Pre and stay passive, the S1 got the vote. Seems it works miracles in pretty all systems tried so far.

 

i believe this is the correct advice. you can always go active afterwards when the S1 is in place if this takes your fancy, S1 first doesnt preclude this possibility...

 

i have only ever heard S1 in an active system -- i would be very interested to hear what its like in a passive one in a domestic environment.

 

enjoy

ken

 

 

I've heard the full Statement system powered by NDS/555 into passive S600s - the sound is surprisingly different from other Naim electronics combinations into S600s.

 

Posted on: 15 August 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
 

I've heard the full Statement system powered by NDS/555 into passive S600s - the sound is surprisingly different from other Naim electronics combinations into S600s.

 

i gather from UHES reports here sometime ago that the NAC S1 signature still comes through even in a passive system where its installed. as i recall, the advice was indeed, if affordable, to go with S1 first before going active -- but of course this doesnt apply if one is already active.

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 15 August 2015 by Briz Vegas

I wonder aloud how the S1 might:

-  compare to quality competition such as the Conrad Johnson GAT

- better allow for comparison of some of the more " controversial"  DACs like the dreaded Hugo

- respond to an Odin power cord, PS Audio power station

- make the B52 s sound.

 

would be interesting to know if a new benchmark has been achieved

Posted on: 15 August 2015 by DaveBk
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by DaveBk:

Having heard the S1 at Graham's I've asked for a home demo on my humble passive 300 system. When I asked Naim and my dealer for opinions on whether I should go active first with 3x300 or drop in an S1 Pre and stay passive, the S1 got the vote. Seems it works miracles in pretty all systems tried so far.

 

What an interesting world we live in when a £45K+ system is referred to as humble! 

 

I'm sure the S1 will sound great in your system, Dave.  I assume you're still thinking of changing to SL speaker cable too?  Have they given you an ETA for the demo yet?

 

Please let us know how you get on!

Yes, on reflection humble is probably the wrong word...

 

No ETA on the S1 demo yet. I've decided to trade in my 300 against the new 300 DR, as from what I have heard the lower noise floor and greater speed and detail will really let the S1 Pre shine through. I'll do this immediately so it will have a chance to run in before the S1 demo arrives. This will give me the best opportunity to really see what the S1 can do compared to the 552. I can then drop in the remaining SL cables - DIN/XLR and Speaker - and make my mind up.

 

Interesting times...

Posted on: 16 August 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by DaveBk:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by DaveBk:

Having heard the S1 at Graham's I've asked for a home demo on my humble passive 300 system. When I asked Naim and my dealer for opinions on whether I should go active first with 3x300 or drop in an S1 Pre and stay passive, the S1 got the vote. Seems it works miracles in pretty all systems tried so far.

 

What an interesting world we live in when a £45K+ system is referred to as humble! 

 

I'm sure the S1 will sound great in your system, Dave.  I assume you're still thinking of changing to SL speaker cable too?  Have they given you an ETA for the demo yet?

 

Please let us know how you get on!

Yes, on reflection humble is probably the wrong word...

 

No ETA on the S1 demo yet. I've decided to trade in my 300 against the new 300 DR, as from what I have heard the lower noise floor and greater speed and detail will really let the S1 Pre shine through. I'll do this immediately so it will have a chance to run in before the S1 demo arrives. This will give me the best opportunity to really see what the S1 can do compared to the 552. I can then drop in the remaining SL cables - DIN/XLR and Speaker - and make my mind up.

 

Interesting times...

Will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the 300DR upgrade given I'm not able to source a demo unit to try.

 

When you do the S1 demo are you going to try it with/without SL speaker cables so you can determine what difference each makes?

Posted on: 16 August 2015 by Dustysox
Originally Posted by DaveBk:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by DaveBk:

Having heard the S1 at Graham's I've asked for a home demo on my humble passive 300 system. When I asked Naim and my dealer for opinions on whether I should go active first with 3x300 or drop in an S1 Pre and stay passive, the S1 got the vote. Seems it works miracles in pretty all systems tried so far.

 

What an interesting world we live in when a £45K+ system is referred to as humble! 

 

I'm sure the S1 will sound great in your system, Dave.  I assume you're still thinking of changing to SL speaker cable too?  Have they given you an ETA for the demo yet?

 

Please let us know how you get on!

Yes, on reflection humble is probably the wrong word...

 

No ETA on the S1 demo yet. I've decided to trade in my 300 against the new 300 DR, as from what I have heard the lower noise floor and greater speed and detail will really let the S1 Pre shine through. I'll do this immediately so it will have a chance to run in before the S1 demo arrives. This will give me the best opportunity to really see what the S1 can do compared to the 552. I can then drop in the remaining SL cables - DIN/XLR and Speaker - and make my mind up.

 

Interesting times...

Wow, great news Dave.

 

Can't wait to read your thoughts on the DR as well as the S1.

 

Well done you sir.

Posted on: 16 August 2015 by Darke Bear
Originally Posted by DaveBk:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by DaveBk:

Having heard the S1 at Graham's I've asked for a home demo on my humble passive 300 system. When I asked Naim and my dealer for opinions on whether I should go active first with 3x300 or drop in an S1 Pre and stay passive, the S1 got the vote. Seems it works miracles in pretty all systems tried so far.

 

What an interesting world we live in when a £45K+ system is referred to as humble! 

 

I'm sure the S1 will sound great in your system, Dave.  I assume you're still thinking of changing to SL speaker cable too?  Have they given you an ETA for the demo yet?

 

Please let us know how you get on!

Yes, on reflection humble is probably the wrong word...

 

No ETA on the S1 demo yet. I've decided to trade in my 300 against the new 300 DR, as from what I have heard the lower noise floor and greater speed and detail will really let the S1 Pre shine through. I'll do this immediately so it will have a chance to run in before the S1 demo arrives. This will give me the best opportunity to really see what the S1 can do compared to the 552. I can then drop in the remaining SL cables - DIN/XLR and Speaker - and make my mind up.

 

Interesting times...

The S1 Pre fundamentally changes the musical presentation. One forum member said 'it isn't there' when hearing it, as it did not add anything of its own character on first listening. This neutral presentation is not what I first noticed or was looking for, but I do hear that now in a very positive way.

 

Compared to the 552 in my home demo I was seeking a more confident, fuller and detailed performance in HiFi terms; in musical terms it was up the the S1 to show me what it could do.

Since I purchased one, it obviously delivered.

 

In musical terms it draws you into the performance more. Since there is lower distortion and noise across all frequencies there is less subliminal distraction. It is obviously more resolving in the higher frequencies: on things like female vocals there is more body and clearer shaping of vocals without any haze of noise. In the Bass it is deeper and fuller - in fact it can be a bit overpowering at first and makes the 552 sound rather lean.

 

The 552 is very good, but the S1 is in a different league. I do wish it were less expensive, but it is the price it is and the listener has to decide what they wish to do if they can do it.

 

As the S1 Pre continues to run-in it is still changing its character and becoming more detailed and fuller deeper bass. The latter has caused me a few problems, as combined with my S.800 speakers that injects a lot of very deep full-bodied bass that can cause problems if the system build is not quite right.

 

I found after getting some peculiar results for a while that I initially put down to run-in that it was in fact a 500 Burndy lead that had settled a little lower and was just brushing the floor - moving the supply to pull the lead off the floor and the system leaps into life again.

 

I did do an A-B comparison against the 552 for a forum friend who insisted - and it is so silly better; the S1 bass performance makes the 552 sound indistinct and vague.

 

DB.

Posted on: 16 August 2015 by 911gt3r

Was that last sentence really nec....necce......neccesary DB??  ATB Peter

Posted on: 16 August 2015 by fixedwheel

Peter, it's called a "clue-by-four", applied liberally to the back of the head. 

 

When is your S1 being delivered? 

 

John

Posted on: 16 August 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by fixedwheel:

Peter, it's called a "clue-by-four", applied liberally to the back of the head. 

 

When is your S1 being delivered? 

 

John

Peter's currently on holiday in Egypt.  He's in denial...

Posted on: 16 August 2015 by Darke Bear
Originally Posted by 911gt3r:

Was that last sentence really nec....necce......neccesary DB??  ATB Peter

Oops! I meant to say that although the S1 Pre cost more than twice the price of the 552, there really was not a lot of difference. Hopefully that is better!

 

I was more relating my experience for Dave's benefit, as he is considering a home demo. It is like discussing the difference between a 252 and 552, except there is a bigger upgrade from the 552 - for those that hear it.

 

Otherwise it is essentially the same.

 

DB.

Posted on: 16 August 2015 by Foot tapper
 
Originally Posted by fixedwheel:

Peter's currently on holiday in Egypt.  He's in denial...

He still wants an S1 pre-amp though ... 

Posted on: 16 August 2015 by 911gt3r

The sheer kindness and empathy on this Forum is heart warming. Even to see John coming out of the wood work speak volumes. Now, I think I need to see my dear wife for a counselling session and in this case she won't charge for her services. Naah maybe not, funny how I am feeling better already !  Dreaming on Peter

Posted on: 16 August 2015 by DaveBk

Thanks DB - I moved from 252 to 552 15 months ago, and thought that was a massive leap. Looks like in in for a real treat with the S1.

 

The 300DR will be run in with my current cables - SL DIN to DIN, Standard DIN to XLRs and NACA5. Once I'm happy that things have settled down, I will work through the options - Add SL DIN to XLR as a pair, then drop in an S1 Pre. The exact order and whether all combinations are possible will depend on whether I can get well run in demo items at or around the same time. I guess sometime in September or October would be the timeframe, but nothing is confirmed yet.

 

Then I need to make a decision... 

 

Dave

Posted on: 16 August 2015 by haohaohao123

wow...

Congratulation...