Statement has landed

Posted by: Graham Clarke on 09 May 2015

So after three long months of waiting, my Statement preamp finally arrived yesterday.  I managed to do pretty well in being patient until we got down to around the last ten days…  This was the starting point:

 

 

Since my Statement home demo via UHES in January I’ve changed my two main interconnects to Super Lumina ones and have swapped out NAC A5 for Super Lumina, at a somewhat excessive cost, but with brilliant results. 

 

 

To answer a previous question asked on the Forum regarding how these speaker cables are tuned, it is down to the resistor used.  The resistor is soldered across the positive and negative cables and then surrounded in the metal box to protect it.  This provides the correct inductance that the power amps require.  The tuning is the value of the resistor and the type of resistor used (e.g. RS Components, Farnell etc).  Required values were determined for specific lengths via listening and then other lengths were calculated via a computer program.

 

Anyway, onto the day.  The plan was to check the torque settings on the S-600 speakers’ drive unit screws, break down, clean, tighten and reconfigure the Fraim racks, install the six Super Lumina DIN-XLR cables and oh, just add the Statement S-1 pre-amp to the mix, replacing the 552…

 

To complete this task we had four people.  Ian and Norman from UHES of course, plus Jason Gould and Mark Raggett directly from Naim.  It’s always enjoyable spending time with Ian and Norman but also getting to spend around four hours with Jason and Mark was the icing on the cake.

 

 

Ian first checked the speaker torque settings, which turned out to be fine since their last check nearly two years ago.  Given I purchased these as ex-demo speakers from UHES it’s probably no surprise that they had already bedded in and didn’t need further adjustment.

 

I wish I could say the same about the Fraim racks.  These were new a year ago and Ian had told me that I should check the tightness of the spikes after a few months because there is a degree of compression and expansion of the wood from new which will loosen them.  Having assumed that they would just be slightly loose combined with a degree of laziness and a manic work schedule I’m afraid I hadn’t bothered.  Well, when we broke down the power supply Fraim rack and lifted the base off the carpet, one of the spikes remained embedded in the concrete floor, to my embarrassment!  So YES, you really DO need to check these with newly built Fraim racks.

 

During this time break down time, Jason and Mark had man handled the S-1 flight case out of Mark’s car.  At least for the UK, these are delivered direct from the factory to the customer.  “Man handled” is the correct term given the 102Kg shipping weight but this was slightly easier than in January as the case now has detachable wheels.  Direct delivery is done to ensure that the unit turns up in 100% perfect condition both cosmetically and functionally.  This was of course not a problem with mine.

 

While they were busy doing this, I kept myself busy by taking a look at the long awaited DIN-XLR cables.

 

Anyone familiar with Powerlines or Hi-Lines will recognise the packaging.

 

 

 

As you can see, both ends use the Air-PLUG technology that the other Super Lumina cables use via a set of interconnecting metal rings.  The XLR canons are also metal, unlike the original ones.

 

Jumping forward slightly, the only glitch of the day was that when installing these cables into my Snaxo BMR, the far end of the Air-PLUG connectors on the top cable touch the one beneath.  When the system has bedded in I’ll have to see whether this actually makes an audible difference.

 

 

There was another box which was unexpected, this turned out to be the Statement accessory kit, the finish of which was beautiful.

 

 

There were three layers to this box with the top containing the manual and a spirit level.

 

 

The second layer in mine was empty given I had not purchased the Statement power amps.  Apparently I am the first person world wide that Naim have supplied with just the pre-amp, all other purchasers have gone for the complete system.

 

In the bottom layer of the box were a number of tools

 

 

Including some Statement Fraim chips (different from standard ones) and the remote control which is in the bag on the right.  This is constructed of metal and is similar in weight and feel to the NARCOM remote.

 

Given the NARCOM remote is £300, I dread to think how much a replacement one of these would be.  I better not lose it down the back of the sofa.

 

After completing the first Fraim rack, Jason and Mark unpacked the pre-amp.

 

 

Given the size, weight and space constraints this does need to be planned!  With the protective cover removed it finally appeared for the first time.

 

 

Even unpackaged this weighs 60Kg so moving into position isn’t an easy task.  This is what it looks like inside to help explain (no, this isn't mine!)

 

 

That's a lot of components!

 

Happily (for me) I left the task of moving to Mark.

 

 

No pressure there Mark, I’m sure you loved me taking pictures of you while you were doing this!

 

 

We agree not to put it flush up to the racks so that it could be easily cleaned.  Getting the position right, ensuring it was absolutely level and parallel with the left hand rack easily took 30 minutes such was the perfectionist nature of Ian and Mark. 

 

Installing the second Fraim was relatively straightforward after this, poor Ian was left to do this while everyone else chatted and watched on.  Jason commented that normally with home installs they get involved directly but knew that they could leave this to Ian given his expertise.  High praise indeed for UHES.

 

One added bonus of moving to two racks and separating them slightly is that cable dressing is now much better, with no Burndys touching the wall and all but a few cables off the floor.

 

 

Finally, after over four hours of work, everything was set up and listening was about to begin!

 

 

By now it was about 6:30PM and we had a dinner reservation for 7:30 as we were all hungry, so we only had limited listening time.  I wasn’t too worried about this because the pre-amp is brand new and stone cold, the DIN-XLRs are also new and the rest of the system would have cooled down, so my expectations weren’t too high.

 

From the first track there was a slight degree of harshness around the sound.  This was consistent with the from cold demo in January.  High frequencies were also a little tight and I’d say that the pre-amp and system in generally was probably only at around 50% of its full potential.  Despite that, some of the greatness from the January demo was already apparent: the super low noise floor (if it was any lower it would be sucking noise out of the room) along with the incredible detail and separation of every instrument being played.

 

Unfortunately Saturday obligations mean I won’t get to listen further until later in the afternoon, but both main sources have been left active playing into the system and with further warm up I’m expecting a big jump.  So you’ll have to wait a while longer for the clichés and superlatives.

 

More to follow and thanks for reading if you got this far.

 

 

Posted on: 18 May 2015 by Don Atkinson
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by Don Atkinson:

The S1, by all accounts, is in a League of its own (to use a footballing analogy) and at £57k it sets a new benchmark and ex-demo/second-hand don't exist yet. Note, Graham got his at a 20% discount on the current list price, but otherwise the price is pretty much fixed.

Don,

 

Interesting how you portray your assumption (i.e. how much I paid for it) as a fact when I've not discussed this with you (or indeed anyone else). 

 

 

Oh gawd !!

 

I was only making the point that the S1 is a fixed price at (I believe £57k). Not negotiable etc etc.That is the context in which the figures were mentioned.

 

Then I thought (what a stupid thing for me to do, especially on this forum  !!!!) that some f'*ing dickhead would chirp up and tell us all that there had been a recent price rise from c.£47k to c.£57k and the price wasn't fixed etc etc.

 

So, for the avoidance of doubt and to put matters right;- I haven't got a clue how much Graham paid for his S1, its none of my business, etc etc and as far as I know, the S1 costs about £57k now but a few months ago it cost about £47k. If I could be bothered, (I can't) but i'm kinda sure that these, or similar figures have been quoted in various related threads over the past two or three months.

 

The rest of my post above stands.

Posted on: 18 May 2015 by Don Atkinson

Quick update.

 

back in January the list price of the S1 was £50k - according to posts on the forum.

Posted on: 18 May 2015 by AussieSteve

I just bought a full Statement pre/power today. Oh wow, it really makes my Bose Acoustimass speakers sing, especially through my Teac tape deck!

Posted on: 18 May 2015 by Foxman50

Whats a tape deck

Posted on: 18 May 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by Don Atkinson:

Quick update.

 

back in January the list price of the S1 was £50k - according to posts on the forum.

Thanks Don.

 

You're correct, price before April increase was £50K, £57K after.

 

I announced on this forum back in early March that I was ordering one.

 

That much is public information

Graham

 

Posted on: 18 May 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by AussieSteve:

I just bought a full Statement pre/power today. Oh wow, it really makes my Bose Acoustimass speakers sing, especially through my Teac tape deck!

I'm thinking of wiring my clock radio up to it.  I bet there's loads of detail I'm just not hearing through its current integrated amp and speaker.

 

Posted on: 18 May 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by martin dahl:

My guess is that Don presumes Graham ordered the S1 before the Price increase.... so its not really a discount - just good timing..

I went to KJ West One this saturday and listened to the Statement on Grande Utopia..... that was a mistake - life will never be the same Again....

Did you like the Grande Utopias then?  Some people here (me included) aren't very complimentary about them, preferring Statement through alternative speakers.

 

Posted on: 18 May 2015 by Christopher_M
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:

I'm thinking of wiring my clock radio up to [Statement pre].  I bet there's loads of detail I'm just not hearing through its current integrated amp and speaker.

Fairly sure GFFJ may have done similar with his CDS3 and Tivoli at one time.

 

Chris

Posted on: 18 May 2015 by AussieSteve
Originally Posted by Foxman50:

Whats a tape deck

TDK tapes with that special metal on them, they really work well with Dolby II !!!

Posted on: 18 May 2015 by AussieSteve
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by AussieSteve:

I just bought a full Statement pre/power today. Oh wow, it really makes my Bose Acoustimass speakers sing, especially through my Teac tape deck!

I'm thinking of wiring my clock radio up to it.  I bet there's loads of detail I'm just not hearing through its current integrated amp and speaker.

 

I must correct you mate, it's clock wireless! AM sounds so clear now power company put a pole outside my house.

Posted on: 18 May 2015 by martin dahl
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by martin dahl:

My guess is that Don presumes Graham ordered the S1 before the Price increase.... so its not really a discount - just good timing..

I went to KJ West One this saturday and listened to the Statement on Grande Utopia..... that was a mistake - life will never be the same Again....

Did you like the Grande Utopias then?  Some people here (me included) aren't very complimentary about them, preferring Statement through alternative speakers.

 

Well...I not really used to listen to gear in that league, but I must admit I wasn't blown away - with I kind of expected. I have previously listened to Scala Utopia on a system like my own - and my jaw kept in place - not falling to the floor...

Since I´m not really in the market for a Statement set at the moment...and for the moments to come I guess, I wouldn't ask the salesrep to change the setup for testing other speakers :-) 

 

However I enjoyed padding the Statement on the top, nodding at the cables with mutual insight knowledge - and I might even have hugged Kronos when nobody was looking :-)

 

Posted on: 18 May 2015 by Ravenswood10

At least the Tivoli shows BST without a fight which is more than I can say of my Unitiqute and Unitilite! As for tapes try a restored Revox B77 running at 15ips - no Dolby or metal tape required and when it's not in use as nice piece of eye candy too and a conversation starter for mute teenagers -what the heck is that?

Posted on: 18 May 2015 by George Johnson
Originally Posted by Christopher_M:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:

I'm thinking of wiring my clock radio up to [Statement pre].  I bet there's loads of detail I'm just not hearing through its current integrated amp and speaker.

Fairly sure GFFJ may have done similar with his CDS3 and Tivoli at one time.

 

Chris

Yes, I did. For a short while, I used my CDS 2 into my Tivoli Radio.

 

It was very enjoyable like that. The effect was surprisingly finer than you might guess.

 

No Tiviolis not CDS 2s were hurt during this!

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 29 May 2015 by Graham Clarke

Wow, is it really ten days since my last update?

 

A quick three day trip to west coast US and a two day trip to Italy probably explains that. Anyway, sitting down to another listening and ... shock, horror!  It sounds different and not necessarily better. Bass is far more forward and a little lumpy. Treble has receded, has lost some of its delicacy and overall detail isn't quite as good.  By way of comparison, the difference is in order of the difference between Hi-Line and Super Lumina. 

 

WTF might seem appropriate at this point!  Surely not for something so expensive?  A quick call to UHES clarified that they experienced similar and that it is the typical tortuous roller coaster run in experience of a Naim pre.  It will improve. 

 

So I left it playing for nine hours today. Allowing it to play with itself seems to have helped in that the bass has receded a bit and treble as improved. 

 

Just as well really.  I have a friend from the forum arriving tomorrow for a demo and I would prefer it to sound good!  I will leave you to theorise who, unless he wants to give himself a name check 

Posted on: 29 May 2015 by Darke Bear

 

Lumpy bass!

Less than excellent treble!!

Posted on: 29 May 2015 by Harry

These ups and downs are inevitable. And I bet it still sounds rather good.

Posted on: 29 May 2015 by Dustysox
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:

Wow, is it really ten days since my last update?

 

A quick three day trip to west coast US and a two day trip to Italy probably explains that. Anyway, sitting down to another listening and ... shock, horror!  It sounds different and not necessarily better. Bass is far more forward and a little lumpy. Treble has receded, has lost some of its delicacy and overall detail isn't quite as good.  By way of comparison, the difference is in order of the difference between Hi-Line and Super Lumina. 

 

WTF might seem appropriate at this point!  Surely not for something so expensive?  A quick call to UHES clarified that they experienced similar and that it is the typical tortuous roller coaster run in experience of a Naim pre.  It will improve. 

 

So I left it playing for nine hours today. Allowing it to play with itself seems to have helped in that the bass has receded a bit and treble as improved. 

 

Just as well really.  I have a friend from the forum arriving tomorrow for a demo and I would prefer it to sound good!  I will leave you to theorise who, unless he wants to give himself a name check 

Yes, and I can't wait Graham 

 

It's like Cup Final day!!!

 

Keep the posts and updates coming Graham, great read and very interesting.

Posted on: 29 May 2015 by 911gt3r
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:

Wow, is it really ten days since my last update?

 

A quick three day trip to west coast US and a two day trip to Italy probably explains that. Anyway, sitting down to another listening and ... shock, horror!  It sounds different and not necessarily better. Bass is far more forward and a little lumpy. Treble has receded, has lost some of its delicacy and overall detail isn't quite as good.  By way of comparison, the difference is in order of the difference between Hi-Line and Super Lumina. 

 

WTF might seem appropriate at this point!  Surely not for something so expensive?  A quick call to UHES clarified that they experienced similar and that it is the typical tortuous roller coaster run in experience of a Naim pre.  It will improve. 

 

So I left it playing for nine hours today. Allowing it to play with itself seems to have helped in that the bass has receded a bit and treble as improved. 

 

Just as well really.  I have a friend from the forum arriving tomorrow for a demo and I would prefer it to sound good!  I will leave you to theorise who, unless he wants to give himself a name check 

Pick me, pick me! 

No seriously Graham, you just pack it back in its crate. I am packing my 552 up as we speak, I'll make my way up to you and we'll just do a straight swap not a problem. Sometimes expensive stuff doesn't deliver and just look at it as part of lifes rich tapestry. I'll just finish my coffee, and your friend shall be on his way...............ATB Peter

Posted on: 30 May 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by Darke Bear:

 

Lumpy bass!

Less than excellent treble!!

I know, shocking isn't it.  I'm thinking of replacing it with an Alba clock radio.

Posted on: 30 May 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by Harry:

These ups and downs are inevitable. And I bet it still sounds rather good.

This is the funny hifi world we live in.  In absolute terms, yes, it still sounds good.  In relative terms, given what I have heard it do, for a couple of days it sounded a little poo.

Posted on: 30 May 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by 911gt3r:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:

Wow, is it really ten days since my last update?

 

A quick three day trip to west coast US and a two day trip to Italy probably explains that. Anyway, sitting down to another listening and ... shock, horror!  It sounds different and not necessarily better. Bass is far more forward and a little lumpy. Treble has receded, has lost some of its delicacy and overall detail isn't quite as good.  By way of comparison, the difference is in order of the difference between Hi-Line and Super Lumina. 

 

WTF might seem appropriate at this point!  Surely not for something so expensive?  A quick call to UHES clarified that they experienced similar and that it is the typical tortuous roller coaster run in experience of a Naim pre.  It will improve. 

 

So I left it playing for nine hours today. Allowing it to play with itself seems to have helped in that the bass has receded a bit and treble as improved. 

 

Just as well really.  I have a friend from the forum arriving tomorrow for a demo and I would prefer it to sound good!  I will leave you to theorise who, unless he wants to give himself a name check 

Pick me, pick me! 

No seriously Graham, you just pack it back in its crate. I am packing my 552 up as we speak, I'll make my way up to you and we'll just do a straight swap not a problem. Sometimes expensive stuff doesn't deliver and just look at it as part of lifes rich tapestry. I'll just finish my coffee, and your friend shall be on his way...............ATB Peter

It's a deal.  In an alternative reality   All you have to do is figure out how to switch between them.  Likely easy for a man of your calibre.

Posted on: 30 May 2015 by Ravenswood10

Another thing to consider of course is the impact of jet lag! having just flown in from NY this morning I can safely say I'm not at my best to say the least And there's no way I'm even going to unpack those lumpy old hi lines I've just bought - well perhaps after a few gallons of tea��

Posted on: 30 May 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by Ravenswood10:

Another thing to consider of course is the impact of jet lag! having just flown in from NY this morning I can safely say I'm not at my best to say the least And there's no way I'm even going to unpack those lumpy old hi lines I've just bought - well perhaps after a few gallons of tea��

In general I would agree, however in this case 17th-22nd was US, Friday to Monday AM at home then back from Italy on Tuesday evening.  By Thursday evening I was relatively back to normal.

Posted on: 30 May 2015 by TOBYJUG

 The dust has settled probably by now , but how has it accumulated ?

Had a big clean up today and could not believe how much dust and cobwebs had manifested itself over such a short time in my house and particularly around the hifi and cables.

Posted on: 30 May 2015 by Rodborough
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:

Wow, is it really ten days since my last update?

 

A quick three day trip to west coast US and a two day trip to Italy probably explains that. Anyway, sitting down to another listening and ... shock, horror!  It sounds different and not necessarily better. Bass is far more forward and a little lumpy. Treble has receded, has lost some of its delicacy and overall detail isn't quite as good.  By way of comparison, the difference is in order of the difference between Hi-Line and Super Lumina. 

 

WTF might seem appropriate at this point!  Surely not for something so expensive?  A quick call to UHES clarified that they experienced similar and that it is the typical tortuous roller coaster run in experience of a Naim pre.  It will improve. 

 

So I left it playing for nine hours today. Allowing it to play with itself seems to have helped in that the bass has receded a bit and treble as improved. 

 

Just as well really.  I have a friend from the forum arriving tomorrow for a demo and I would prefer it to sound good!  I will leave you to theorise who, unless he wants to give himself a name check 

Hi Graham

 

No need to panic this is all perfectly normal, the Statement NAC-S1 was just six weeks old when you tried it out in mid-January so much of the roller coaster ride was over by then, even so it was much improved when it went to Jon in late February and seemed to recover much faster from being powered down.

 

Now coming up to 6 months old here it made a big and sudden step up in performance at 5 months and is still getting better, but I think at 5 – 6 months we should arrange to check things over and see if any adjustment needs to be made to your SNAXO (BMR).

 

Having just dramatically upgraded the digital source on ours, scratching an itch perpetrated by Mr Honeyball (BTW), I now have to periodically go back to the original just to check out the progress of the Statement.

 

Warmest regards

 

Norman

Partner -Uhes