Statement has landed

Posted by: Graham Clarke on 09 May 2015

So after three long months of waiting, my Statement preamp finally arrived yesterday.  I managed to do pretty well in being patient until we got down to around the last ten days…  This was the starting point:

 

 

Since my Statement home demo via UHES in January I’ve changed my two main interconnects to Super Lumina ones and have swapped out NAC A5 for Super Lumina, at a somewhat excessive cost, but with brilliant results. 

 

 

To answer a previous question asked on the Forum regarding how these speaker cables are tuned, it is down to the resistor used.  The resistor is soldered across the positive and negative cables and then surrounded in the metal box to protect it.  This provides the correct inductance that the power amps require.  The tuning is the value of the resistor and the type of resistor used (e.g. RS Components, Farnell etc).  Required values were determined for specific lengths via listening and then other lengths were calculated via a computer program.

 

Anyway, onto the day.  The plan was to check the torque settings on the S-600 speakers’ drive unit screws, break down, clean, tighten and reconfigure the Fraim racks, install the six Super Lumina DIN-XLR cables and oh, just add the Statement S-1 pre-amp to the mix, replacing the 552…

 

To complete this task we had four people.  Ian and Norman from UHES of course, plus Jason Gould and Mark Raggett directly from Naim.  It’s always enjoyable spending time with Ian and Norman but also getting to spend around four hours with Jason and Mark was the icing on the cake.

 

 

Ian first checked the speaker torque settings, which turned out to be fine since their last check nearly two years ago.  Given I purchased these as ex-demo speakers from UHES it’s probably no surprise that they had already bedded in and didn’t need further adjustment.

 

I wish I could say the same about the Fraim racks.  These were new a year ago and Ian had told me that I should check the tightness of the spikes after a few months because there is a degree of compression and expansion of the wood from new which will loosen them.  Having assumed that they would just be slightly loose combined with a degree of laziness and a manic work schedule I’m afraid I hadn’t bothered.  Well, when we broke down the power supply Fraim rack and lifted the base off the carpet, one of the spikes remained embedded in the concrete floor, to my embarrassment!  So YES, you really DO need to check these with newly built Fraim racks.

 

During this time break down time, Jason and Mark had man handled the S-1 flight case out of Mark’s car.  At least for the UK, these are delivered direct from the factory to the customer.  “Man handled” is the correct term given the 102Kg shipping weight but this was slightly easier than in January as the case now has detachable wheels.  Direct delivery is done to ensure that the unit turns up in 100% perfect condition both cosmetically and functionally.  This was of course not a problem with mine.

 

While they were busy doing this, I kept myself busy by taking a look at the long awaited DIN-XLR cables.

 

Anyone familiar with Powerlines or Hi-Lines will recognise the packaging.

 

 

 

As you can see, both ends use the Air-PLUG technology that the other Super Lumina cables use via a set of interconnecting metal rings.  The XLR canons are also metal, unlike the original ones.

 

Jumping forward slightly, the only glitch of the day was that when installing these cables into my Snaxo BMR, the far end of the Air-PLUG connectors on the top cable touch the one beneath.  When the system has bedded in I’ll have to see whether this actually makes an audible difference.

 

 

There was another box which was unexpected, this turned out to be the Statement accessory kit, the finish of which was beautiful.

 

 

There were three layers to this box with the top containing the manual and a spirit level.

 

 

The second layer in mine was empty given I had not purchased the Statement power amps.  Apparently I am the first person world wide that Naim have supplied with just the pre-amp, all other purchasers have gone for the complete system.

 

In the bottom layer of the box were a number of tools

 

 

Including some Statement Fraim chips (different from standard ones) and the remote control which is in the bag on the right.  This is constructed of metal and is similar in weight and feel to the NARCOM remote.

 

Given the NARCOM remote is £300, I dread to think how much a replacement one of these would be.  I better not lose it down the back of the sofa.

 

After completing the first Fraim rack, Jason and Mark unpacked the pre-amp.

 

 

Given the size, weight and space constraints this does need to be planned!  With the protective cover removed it finally appeared for the first time.

 

 

Even unpackaged this weighs 60Kg so moving into position isn’t an easy task.  This is what it looks like inside to help explain (no, this isn't mine!)

 

 

That's a lot of components!

 

Happily (for me) I left the task of moving to Mark.

 

 

No pressure there Mark, I’m sure you loved me taking pictures of you while you were doing this!

 

 

We agree not to put it flush up to the racks so that it could be easily cleaned.  Getting the position right, ensuring it was absolutely level and parallel with the left hand rack easily took 30 minutes such was the perfectionist nature of Ian and Mark. 

 

Installing the second Fraim was relatively straightforward after this, poor Ian was left to do this while everyone else chatted and watched on.  Jason commented that normally with home installs they get involved directly but knew that they could leave this to Ian given his expertise.  High praise indeed for UHES.

 

One added bonus of moving to two racks and separating them slightly is that cable dressing is now much better, with no Burndys touching the wall and all but a few cables off the floor.

 

 

Finally, after over four hours of work, everything was set up and listening was about to begin!

 

 

By now it was about 6:30PM and we had a dinner reservation for 7:30 as we were all hungry, so we only had limited listening time.  I wasn’t too worried about this because the pre-amp is brand new and stone cold, the DIN-XLRs are also new and the rest of the system would have cooled down, so my expectations weren’t too high.

 

From the first track there was a slight degree of harshness around the sound.  This was consistent with the from cold demo in January.  High frequencies were also a little tight and I’d say that the pre-amp and system in generally was probably only at around 50% of its full potential.  Despite that, some of the greatness from the January demo was already apparent: the super low noise floor (if it was any lower it would be sucking noise out of the room) along with the incredible detail and separation of every instrument being played.

 

Unfortunately Saturday obligations mean I won’t get to listen further until later in the afternoon, but both main sources have been left active playing into the system and with further warm up I’m expecting a big jump.  So you’ll have to wait a while longer for the clichés and superlatives.

 

More to follow and thanks for reading if you got this far.

 

 

Posted on: 31 May 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by Rodborough:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:

Wow, is it really ten days since my last update?

 

A quick three day trip to west coast US and a two day trip to Italy probably explains that. Anyway, sitting down to another listening and ... shock, horror!  It sounds different and not necessarily better. Bass is far more forward and a little lumpy. Treble has receded, has lost some of its delicacy and overall detail isn't quite as good.  By way of comparison, the difference is in order of the difference between Hi-Line and Super Lumina. 

 

WTF might seem appropriate at this point!  Surely not for something so expensive?  A quick call to UHES clarified that they experienced similar and that it is the typical tortuous roller coaster run in experience of a Naim pre.  It will improve. 

 

So I left it playing for nine hours today. Allowing it to play with itself seems to have helped in that the bass has receded a bit and treble as improved. 

 

Just as well really.  I have a friend from the forum arriving tomorrow for a demo and I would prefer it to sound good!  I will leave you to theorise who, unless he wants to give himself a name check 

Hi Graham

 

No need to panic this is all perfectly normal, the Statement NAC-S1 was just six weeks old when you tried it out in mid-January so much of the roller coaster ride was over by then, even so it was much improved when it went to Jon in late February and seemed to recover much faster from being powered down.

 

Now coming up to 6 months old here it made a big and sudden step up in performance at 5 months and is still getting better, but I think at 5 – 6 months we should arrange to check things over and see if any adjustment needs to be made to your SNAXO (BMR).

 

Having just dramatically upgraded the digital source on ours, scratching an itch perpetrated by Mr Honeyball (BTW), I now have to periodically go back to the original just to check out the progress of the Statement.

 

Warmest regards

 

Norman

Partner -Uhes

Hi Norman,

 

Not panicking ("Don't panic Mr. Mannering!") just surprised at how much it seemed off to me.  Naturally you were the first person I called once I had convinced myself that I wasn't imagining it.

 

Given mine is just over 3 weeks' old, hopefully it'll be far better in another three.

 

Another check over in some months' time makes sense, you and Ian are always most welcome here.

 

Posted on: 31 May 2015 by Foot tapper
Originally Posted by Rodborough:

Hi Graham

... Having just dramatically upgraded the digital source on ours, scratching an itch perpetrated by Mr Honeyball (BTW), ...

 

Warmest regards

 

Norman

Partner -Uhes

Hello Norman

If this is not betraying any confidences, what is this dramatically upgraded digital source?

 

Best regards, FT

Posted on: 31 May 2015 by Darke Bear

I visited Graham and Debbie yesterday to have a listen to his Active system with the new S1 Statement Pre installed. They both made me very welcome, introduced me to their Cat and generally indulged me to play plenty of my music I brought along.

Before we began Graham was at pains to point out that he has having a run-in bump with the new device and it was not as it was a week or so ago, let alone as accomplished as the Demo S1 Pre he had home demoed that had several more weeks on it. Nonetheless I settled down to play some music.

This is the first time I've heard Naim Statement with Naim's own speakers, in this case the Active S-600 driven by 3x NAP300. I used to own S-600 and NAP300 before I changed to NAP500/S-800, so I know this system's capabilities well. This did not sound like a system with a 552 - as you perhaps should expect!

In fact it took me several songs in before I could really get my mind around how I could describe what I was hearing. In an superficial obvious surface description, which does not do justice to the musical qualities, the sound was seamless from lowest low bass to highest treble and very detailed - and nothing made it 'move' when it should not be. What I mean by the last comment is that all systems I have heard, even my own, have a kind of 'bounce' at very low frequencies where the system has a response time to the low bass - believe me it is there even if you think yours is solid - in Grahams system it is solid, the music happens and nothing is added. At first it could sound a bit wrong, but in fact it is right and I'm just not used to hearing it!

The low bass is very full-blooded - Graham told me some of this was too much due to the run-in and he was in part correct, as we managed to poke the system to go through a large positive change - but more of that later.

...I'll write some more once I get my thoughts together and have some more coffee.

DB.

Posted on: 31 May 2015 by Darke Bear

...to continue:

I played many selected tracks of the CDs I brought along that Graham had ripped onto his NDS system. I find it takes me a while to get used to very different system capabilities, so I needed time... I was enjoying everything I played and Graham and Debbie were very happy to let me indulge myself as I played track after track, absorbing the way it was being rendered.

There is a confidence and authority which is there with all I played. The bass just happened in a way that reminded me of the NAP500 capabilities, not the NAP300, which shows where the overall quality is being defined.

We paused while I had the inevitable look down the back at all the myriad of neatly loomed connectors you get with a three-way Active system. Without touching any box I tried a couple of things that can 'work' on my Active system when it appears to be sulking - I 'pinged' the Snaxo Burndy to make sure it was free and also made sure that one of the speaker cables that was very close to one of the NAP300 Burndies was not touching by poking it away a bit.

Well I thought it immediately opened-out the system, more relaxed and degree of extra life and fluidity entered the music. This remained and seemed to grow over the remaining hours of listening, with a pause for a rather nice meal I was provided.

I found I just wanted to play track after track and was feeling very guilty I was hogging the play list, but was encouraged to continue so did! This is a good sign when you are drawn to and absorbed by the music. Yes there is loads of detail, authority, poise, frightening bass when required, plenty of PRaT, 'on-off' precision of bass notes - but it is how it all coheres into an overall presentation which strikes you. The sound seems to come out from the speakers and consume them, being apart from them and having a life of its own.

I enjoyed myself enormously and thank Debbie and Graham for their hospitality and lively company.

Given I heard the S1 Pre at a poor point in its run-in and did hear a large change while I was there to confirm there was a journey underway, it will be good to hear it when Graham is happy all is more settled, and assured I would be welcome again!

An interesting day!

DB.

Posted on: 31 May 2015 by Graham Clarke

Glad you enjoyed it Gary.  No need to feel guilty about the playlist, you had several hours to listen, we have years.  Would seem pointless inviting you here and then playing all our own music!  I also enjoy listening to what others bring.

 

I repeat visit is definitely on the cards once it is behaving itself better.

Posted on: 31 May 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Darke Bear:

...the sound was seamless from lowest low bass to highest treble and very detailed - 

usefu write-up Gary -- what you say above is more or less wat i felt too when i listened to the demo NAC S1 @ Grahams a few months ago.

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 31 May 2015 by MDS

Enjoyable and interesting write-up, DB. Thanks for sharing.  

 

Mike 

Posted on: 31 May 2015 by martin dahl

A little Q.... I´ve seen your very nice remote for you NAC S1, but is it also supported by n-Serve or n-Stream ?? I haven't found this information anywhere... not that this...1.) would made me re-think getting a Statement ...and 2.) even make me think I would ever get a Statement in the first place...unfortunately...:-)

 

Posted on: 31 May 2015 by garyi

I have to say, if a bloke came to my house and flicked my cables and proclaimed an improvement my wife may have had a word with me out back, so kudos to the lady in the mix, mucho patience me thinks.

Posted on: 01 June 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by martin dahl:

A little Q.... I´ve seen your very nice remote for you NAC S1, but is it also supported by n-Serve or n-Stream ?? I haven't found this information anywhere... not that this...1.) would made me re-think getting a Statement ...and 2.) even make me think I would ever get a Statement in the first place...unfortunately...:-)

 

You can control the NDS in a similar way you would a CD player (pause/stop, previous/next tracks) via the Statement remote but not create play lists.

 

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by MDS
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

Dark Bear's post of the 31st. May is a classical example of why most people think that hifi enthusiasts are at best anally retentive, and at worst certifiably insane.

 

What gets me is that the set was installed by two top people from Naim HQ and two others who constitute one of the best Naim retailers.

 

So DB pings a cable and "eureka" the system comes to life.

 

I am sorry but the system is almost certainly totally mind bogglingly good for most of us, but what DB wrote is complete rubbish of the worst and most exaggerated kind.

 

Naim must indeed be cringing that such utter drivel should make it onto the public forum.

 

More to the point, listening for system capabilities is about as far from enjoying replayed music as could be imagined.

 

I would give DB's post the prize for the worst I have ever read on the Forum in over ten years.

 

George

Not your normal gentlemanly self this evening, George.  I would agree with you about how most people might think we hi-fi/music enthusiasts are a bit nuts. But if there's anything I've learned over the years of being one of those nuts it's that my ears are often capable of distinguishing a difference that the logical side of my brain says shouldn't be there. In some ways that also makes the journey one of such interesting and unexpected discovery. Now, back to the music 

Mike 

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson
Originally Posted by Darke Bear:

...to continue:

I played many selected tracks of the CDs I brought along that Graham had ripped onto his NDS system. I find it takes me a while to get used to very different system capabilities, so I needed time... I was enjoying everything I played and Graham and Debbie were very happy to let me indulge myself as I played track after track, absorbing the way it was being rendered.

There is a confidence and authority which is there with all I played. The bass just happened in a way that reminded me of the NAP500 capabilities, not the NAP300, which shows where the overall quality is being defined.

We paused while I had the inevitable look down the back at all the myriad of neatly loomed connectors you get with a three-way Active system. Without touching any box I tried a couple of things that can 'work' on my Active system when it appears to be sulking - I 'pinged' the Snaxo Burndy to make sure it was free and also made sure that one of the speaker cables that was very close to one of the NAP300 Burndies was not touching by poking it away a bit.

Well I thought it immediately opened-out the system, more relaxed and degree of extra life and fluidity entered the music. This remained and seemed to grow over the remaining hours of listening, with a pause for a rather nice meal I was provided.

I found I just wanted to play track after track and was feeling very guilty I was hogging the play list, but was encouraged to continue so did! This is a good sign when you are drawn to and absorbed by the music. Yes there is loads of detail, authority, poise, frightening bass when required, plenty of PRaT, 'on-off' precision of bass notes - but it is how it all coheres into an overall presentation which strikes you. The sound seems to come out from the speakers and consume them, being apart from them and having a life of its own.

I enjoyed myself enormously and thank Debbie and Graham for their hospitality and lively company.

Given I heard the S1 Pre at a poor point in its run-in and did hear a large change while I was there to confirm there was a journey underway, it will be good to hear it when Graham is happy all is more settled, and assured I would be welcome again!

An interesting day!

DB.

Dark Bear's post of the 31st. May is a classical example of why most people think that hifi enthusiasts are at best anally retentive, and at worst certifiably insane.

 

What gets me is that the set was installed by two top people from Naim HQ and two others who constitute one of the best Naim retailers.

 

So DB pings a cable and "eureka" the system comes to life.

 

I am sorry but the system is almost certainly totally mind bogglingly good for most of us, but what DB wrote is complete rubbish of the worst and most exaggerated kind.

 

Naim must indeed be cringing that such utter drivel should make it onto the public forum.

 

More to the point, listening for system capabilities is about as far from enjoying replayed music as could be imagined.

 

I would give DB's post the prize for the worst I have ever read on the Forum in over ten years.

 

George

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by Darke Bear
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

Dark Bear's post of the 31st. May is a classical example of why most people think that hifi enthusiasts are at best anally retentive, and at worst certifiably insane....

I would give DB's post the prize for the worst I have ever read on the Forum in over ten years.

Why so angry and personal George?

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson

No playlist and no definition of how the music was made clearer.

 

Do NOT selectively quote The post was cogent as a whole ...

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by 911gt3r
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

No playlist and no definition of how the music was made clearer.

 

Do NOT selectively quote The post was cogent as a whole ...

Hi George.

Sorry to be an ignoraneus, but what does ' cogent' mean? Thanks Peter

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson

Cogent ... dictionary!

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by Chris Dolan
Originally Posted by George Johnson:
hifi enthusiasts are at best anally retentive

Selective quotes are often more interesting though 

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson

Dear DB,

 

I do not know you, and my difficulty is not with you but what rubbish you wrote in error.

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson
Originally Posted by 911gt3r:

Do NOT selectively quote The post was dictionary as a whole..........ehm, still don't understand it me!  ATB Johnny

Peter-Jonny?

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by Darke Bear
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

Dear DB,

 

I do not know you, and my difficulty is not with you but what rubbish you wrote in error.

George - I did not write anything 'in error'.

 

If you don't like what I write, which is what I experience, then this forum allows you to have a go at my attempts to communicate the veracity of something you are unwilling to entertain.

 

I'm obviously not going to try to convince you otherwise, as I feel there is no point from the tone of what you have written.

 

DB.

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson

You do not get it!

 

Please ping a tyre on my Carlton, and I'll be ten per cent faster immefiatyely!

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by Chris Dolan
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

Please ping a tyre on my Carlton, and I'll be ten per cent faster immefiatyely!

"Ping" in that context could of course mean ensuring the tyres were all inflated to the correct pressures - although the surreptitious Fiat reference is intriguing and possibly subliminal 

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by Bert Schurink
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

Dear DB,

 

I do not know you, and my difficulty is not with you but what rubbish you wrote in error.

Why so harsh and without respect. You can disagree with somebodies opinion, that's why we have a forum changing thoughts and opinions - but the tonality can be much more respectful. 

This might shy away people which I regard as great contributors to the forum. DB is one of them.

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by ChrisH
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

I would give DB's post the prize for the worst I have ever read on the Forum in over ten years.

 George

Seems a bit harsh?

Maybe I'm wrong but dont all multi box systems with a lot of cabling (and I can imagine there is a hell of a lot behind this system!) need re-dressing from time to time to ensure everything is as it should be?

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson
Originally Posted by Bert Schurink:
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

Dear DB,

 

I do not know you, and my difficulty is not with you but what rubbish you wrote in error.

Why so harsh and without respect. You can disagree with somebodies opinion, that's why we have a forum changing thoughts and opinions - but the tonality can be much more respectful. 

This might shy away people which I regard as great contributors to the forum. DB is one of them.

Precisely.

 

The writing was rubbish, but DB may on a better day be a perfectly nice and reasonable character.

 

But rubbish posts must be challenged. It is an imperative to challenge rubbish.

 

ATB from George