Statement has landed

Posted by: Graham Clarke on 09 May 2015

So after three long months of waiting, my Statement preamp finally arrived yesterday.  I managed to do pretty well in being patient until we got down to around the last ten days…  This was the starting point:

 

 

Since my Statement home demo via UHES in January I’ve changed my two main interconnects to Super Lumina ones and have swapped out NAC A5 for Super Lumina, at a somewhat excessive cost, but with brilliant results. 

 

 

To answer a previous question asked on the Forum regarding how these speaker cables are tuned, it is down to the resistor used.  The resistor is soldered across the positive and negative cables and then surrounded in the metal box to protect it.  This provides the correct inductance that the power amps require.  The tuning is the value of the resistor and the type of resistor used (e.g. RS Components, Farnell etc).  Required values were determined for specific lengths via listening and then other lengths were calculated via a computer program.

 

Anyway, onto the day.  The plan was to check the torque settings on the S-600 speakers’ drive unit screws, break down, clean, tighten and reconfigure the Fraim racks, install the six Super Lumina DIN-XLR cables and oh, just add the Statement S-1 pre-amp to the mix, replacing the 552…

 

To complete this task we had four people.  Ian and Norman from UHES of course, plus Jason Gould and Mark Raggett directly from Naim.  It’s always enjoyable spending time with Ian and Norman but also getting to spend around four hours with Jason and Mark was the icing on the cake.

 

 

Ian first checked the speaker torque settings, which turned out to be fine since their last check nearly two years ago.  Given I purchased these as ex-demo speakers from UHES it’s probably no surprise that they had already bedded in and didn’t need further adjustment.

 

I wish I could say the same about the Fraim racks.  These were new a year ago and Ian had told me that I should check the tightness of the spikes after a few months because there is a degree of compression and expansion of the wood from new which will loosen them.  Having assumed that they would just be slightly loose combined with a degree of laziness and a manic work schedule I’m afraid I hadn’t bothered.  Well, when we broke down the power supply Fraim rack and lifted the base off the carpet, one of the spikes remained embedded in the concrete floor, to my embarrassment!  So YES, you really DO need to check these with newly built Fraim racks.

 

During this time break down time, Jason and Mark had man handled the S-1 flight case out of Mark’s car.  At least for the UK, these are delivered direct from the factory to the customer.  “Man handled” is the correct term given the 102Kg shipping weight but this was slightly easier than in January as the case now has detachable wheels.  Direct delivery is done to ensure that the unit turns up in 100% perfect condition both cosmetically and functionally.  This was of course not a problem with mine.

 

While they were busy doing this, I kept myself busy by taking a look at the long awaited DIN-XLR cables.

 

Anyone familiar with Powerlines or Hi-Lines will recognise the packaging.

 

 

 

As you can see, both ends use the Air-PLUG technology that the other Super Lumina cables use via a set of interconnecting metal rings.  The XLR canons are also metal, unlike the original ones.

 

Jumping forward slightly, the only glitch of the day was that when installing these cables into my Snaxo BMR, the far end of the Air-PLUG connectors on the top cable touch the one beneath.  When the system has bedded in I’ll have to see whether this actually makes an audible difference.

 

 

There was another box which was unexpected, this turned out to be the Statement accessory kit, the finish of which was beautiful.

 

 

There were three layers to this box with the top containing the manual and a spirit level.

 

 

The second layer in mine was empty given I had not purchased the Statement power amps.  Apparently I am the first person world wide that Naim have supplied with just the pre-amp, all other purchasers have gone for the complete system.

 

In the bottom layer of the box were a number of tools

 

 

Including some Statement Fraim chips (different from standard ones) and the remote control which is in the bag on the right.  This is constructed of metal and is similar in weight and feel to the NARCOM remote.

 

Given the NARCOM remote is £300, I dread to think how much a replacement one of these would be.  I better not lose it down the back of the sofa.

 

After completing the first Fraim rack, Jason and Mark unpacked the pre-amp.

 

 

Given the size, weight and space constraints this does need to be planned!  With the protective cover removed it finally appeared for the first time.

 

 

Even unpackaged this weighs 60Kg so moving into position isn’t an easy task.  This is what it looks like inside to help explain (no, this isn't mine!)

 

 

That's a lot of components!

 

Happily (for me) I left the task of moving to Mark.

 

 

No pressure there Mark, I’m sure you loved me taking pictures of you while you were doing this!

 

 

We agree not to put it flush up to the racks so that it could be easily cleaned.  Getting the position right, ensuring it was absolutely level and parallel with the left hand rack easily took 30 minutes such was the perfectionist nature of Ian and Mark. 

 

Installing the second Fraim was relatively straightforward after this, poor Ian was left to do this while everyone else chatted and watched on.  Jason commented that normally with home installs they get involved directly but knew that they could leave this to Ian given his expertise.  High praise indeed for UHES.

 

One added bonus of moving to two racks and separating them slightly is that cable dressing is now much better, with no Burndys touching the wall and all but a few cables off the floor.

 

 

Finally, after over four hours of work, everything was set up and listening was about to begin!

 

 

By now it was about 6:30PM and we had a dinner reservation for 7:30 as we were all hungry, so we only had limited listening time.  I wasn’t too worried about this because the pre-amp is brand new and stone cold, the DIN-XLRs are also new and the rest of the system would have cooled down, so my expectations weren’t too high.

 

From the first track there was a slight degree of harshness around the sound.  This was consistent with the from cold demo in January.  High frequencies were also a little tight and I’d say that the pre-amp and system in generally was probably only at around 50% of its full potential.  Despite that, some of the greatness from the January demo was already apparent: the super low noise floor (if it was any lower it would be sucking noise out of the room) along with the incredible detail and separation of every instrument being played.

 

Unfortunately Saturday obligations mean I won’t get to listen further until later in the afternoon, but both main sources have been left active playing into the system and with further warm up I’m expecting a big jump.  So you’ll have to wait a while longer for the clichés and superlatives.

 

More to follow and thanks for reading if you got this far.

 

 

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson
Originally Posted by ChrisH:
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

I would give DB's post the prize for the worst I have ever read on the Forum in over ten years.

 George

Seems a bit harsh?

Maybe I'm wrong but dont all multi box systems with a lot of cabling (and I can imagine there is a hell of a lot behind this system!) need re-dressing from time to time to ensure everything is as it should be?

The truth can often seem harsh, but kind in the long run ...

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by hungryhalibut

 

It does sound rather ridiculous that poking a wire can make a difference, but having owned a much more complex system I know that this can be true. It's also true that the fact people poke wires and declare a difference can make audiophiles seem rather weird and geeky. 

 

But..... There is no way whatsoever that DB is writing drivel. There are far more drivelly posts every single day, and as a suggestion from DB around speaker positioning transformed my system I won't hear a word against him, even if he spouts utter bollocks. 

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

 

It does sound rather ridiculous that poking a wire can make a difference, but having owned a decent system I know that this can be true. It's also true that the fact people poke wires and declare a difference can make audiophiles seem rather weird and geeky. 

 

But..... There is no way whatsoever that DB is writing drivel. There are far more drivelly posts every single day [so it is drivel, but not as bad as some: I'd agree], and as a suggestion from DB around speaker positioning transformed my system I won't hear a word against him, even if he spouts utter bollocks. [which on this evidence he does, even if I personally would not have expressed it so bluntly] 

I agree that every day produces terrible posts, but this is easily there worst I have ever seen over more than ten years of reading and writing here.

 

Dark Bear needs to get his head out of the sand, and wake up. Then he will once again be a fine contributor ... on the Forum ...

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by ChrisH
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

But..... There is no way whatsoever that DB is writing drivel. There are far more drivelly posts every single day, and as a suggestion from DB around speaker positioning transformed my system I won't hear a word against him, even if he spouts utter bollocks. 

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by Foxman50

The problem i have with DB's post, and this is in no way a criticism of you DB, is firstly i would not want a system so highly strung but also its very hard to prove it actually made any difference at all unless you can put the cable back as it was and keep repeating the test to be sure.

 

I'm not saying you didn't hear what you heard, but for me i'd need to repeatedly AB it to be sure.

 

I've made the comment before, but have yet to have anyone try let alone reply to it. if this is possible then while your listening get someone to shake your speaker cable or whatever cable and see if you can hear a difference.

 

Graeme

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson

I'd welcome a comment from Graham C, the owner, as to whether HE found this eureka moment when DB "pinged" his cable. 

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by jfritzen

Must be full moon tonight.

 

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by hungryhalibut
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

I'd welcome a comment from Graham C, the owner, as to whether HE found this eureka moment when DB "pinged" his cable. 

Just wait till you hear from Graham that DB pinged his belt and he instantly lost four inches from his waistline. He's got magic hands, I tell you. 

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by DaveBk

My system sounded a bit 'off' last weekend, so I checked a few things and found that the HiLine had shifted, and was resting against another cable. I jiggled it about a bit, adjusted a Burndy or two and everything was better. I noted that it may be time for a complete restack, but it can wait until July when I have some time off work.

 

So, the moral of the story is that small changes can make a big difference... My obsession with hi-fi, music, fiddling to get things right to my ears may be odd/obsessive/anally retentive etc., but amongst friends here I don't see an issue. Saying DB's post was the worst ever seemed a tad over the top IMO George.

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

I'd welcome a comment from Graham C, the owner, as to whether HE found this eureka moment when DB "pinged" his cable. 

Just wait till you hear from Graham that DB pinged his belt and he instantly lost four inches from his waistline. He's got magic hands, I tell you. 

So I want DB as my Carlton cycle coach!

 

Then I can win the TdF on thirty plus year old frame as a 54 year old [when the next TdF] happens!

 

It is the worst sort of hyperbole!

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by Bert Schurink
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

I'd welcome a comment from Graham C, the owner, as to whether HE found this eureka moment when DB "pinged" his cable. 

Just wait till you hear from Graham that DB pinged his belt and he instantly lost four inches from his waistline. He's got magic hands, I tell you. 

If Graham confirms, DB might considering his alias in The Cable Whisperer.....

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson
Originally Posted by DaveBk:

My system sounded a bit 'off' last weekend, so I checked a few things and found that the HiLine had shifted, and was resting against another cable. I jiggled it about a bit, adjusted a Burndy or two and everything was better. I noted that it may be time for a complete restack, but it can wait until July when I have some time off work.

 

So, the moral of the story is that small changes can make a big difference... My obsession with hi-fi, music, fiddling to get things right to my ears may be odd/obsessive/anally retentive etc., but amongst friends here I don't see an issue. Saying DB's post was the worst ever seemed a tad over the top IMO George.

But not a situation where the "system came to life" for goodness sake!

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by Foxman50

How do these cables move on their own. What on earth are they made of.

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson

Unobtanium!

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by hungryhalibut

Triffids. 

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by GeeJay

Well there was an earthquake in Kent a few weeks ago! 

 

ATB from the other George Johnson on this forum who actually thinks DB writes well.

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson
Originally Posted by GeeJay:

Well there was an earthquake in Kent a few weeks ago! 

 

ATB from the other George Johnson on this forum who actually thinks DB writes well.

Mostly I do think so as well ...

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by Foxman50
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

Unobtanium!

No wonder they are so expensive 

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by George Johnson:
Dark Bear's post of the 31st. May is a classical example of why most people think that hifi enthusiasts are at best anally retentive, and at worst certifiably insane.

 

What gets me is that the set was installed by two top people from Naim HQ and two others who constitute one of the best Naim retailers.

 

So DB pings a cable and "eureka" the system comes to life.

 

I am sorry but the system is almost certainly totally mind bogglingly good for most of us, but what DB wrote is complete rubbish of the worst and most exaggerated kind.

 

Naim must indeed be cringing that such utter drivel should make it onto the public forum.

 

More to the point, listening for system capabilities is about as far from enjoying replayed music as could be imagined.

 

I would give DB's post the prize for the worst I have ever read on the Forum in over ten years.

 

George

i would give the above post the prize for the worst i have read on the forum in over 20 years.

 

enjoy...

ken

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson

Ken,

 

I am not here as a popularity contest, but when ai see rubbish I call it so however un-pupoplar. DB can fix what the two best men from Naim and the two [possibly best men from dealer network] set up by "pinging" a cable and then the system came to life!

 

Could none of these people hear that their best efforts at set-up were wasted as the system was "sulking?"

 

Hyperbole is one thing, but defending it it is another altogether.

 

Admit that a change may have been achieved, but it was certainly not day and night.

 

Are the top men at Naim idiots for set-up? If you say that DB is right, then they are, and that is silly claim, which you will no doubt shortly retreat from, or you as daft as DB's claims of self-proclaimed [and as yet unsubstantiated - sorry to our Danish correspondence - use a dictionary]  by the owner, who must have been deeply unhappy with the efforts before DB "pinged" the cable if the Naim people were wrong ...

 

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by Geko

Just because something doesn't have a reasonable explanation doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Some of our top scientists are still struggling to understand what gravity is. A graviton has never been measured but we all seem to be stucking to the planet quite well!

 

i myself have had experiences even less dramatic than 'pinging' a cable that have suddenly made my system come to life, so I a believer. 

 

I personally thought DB's description was very good. I have a friend who is fortunate enough to own a full Statement system and would say that with the addition of the amps you get even more of what DB describes. It is without doubt the finest representation of 'live' music I have ever heard. 

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson

Geko,

 

If Naim is that susceptible to set-up, the company will be out of business in only a few years!

 

You speak nonsense, and I'll call it that. It is auto-suggestion and if - like our Danish correspondent - you fail to understand, then look it up ... in a dictionary. You will find it is alphabetic, but I hardly need mention that except for the nonsense you spoke in you last post ...

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by George Johnson:

Ken,

 

I am not here as a popularity contest, but when ai see rubbish I call it so however un-pupoplar. DB can fix what the two best men from Naim and the two [possibly best men from dealer network] set up by "pinging" a cable and then the system came to life!

 

Could none of these people hear that their best efforts at set-up were wasted as the system was "sulking?"

 

Hyperbole is one thing, but defending it it is another altogether.

 

Admit that a change may have been achieved, but it was certainly not day and night.

 

Are the top men at Naim idiots for set-up? If you say that DB is right, then they are, and that is silly claim, which you will no doubt shortly retreat from, or you as daft as DB's claims of self-proclaimed [pand as yet unsubstantiated [sorry to our Danish correspondence - use a dictionary] by the owner, who must have been deeply unhappy with the efforts before DB pinged the cable ...

 

 

ATB from George

Dear George,

 

I am not arguing the merit or otherwise of DB's post. Clearly i can't as i wasnt present at the listening session. And even if i was, i would either agree or disagree with him. Of course, just to be dramatic or rude or ...  I could choose all sorts of more colourful words to describe my disagreement -- but i'm not sure this achieves anything in my view.

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by George Johnson
Originally Posted by ken c:

Dear George,

 

I am not arguing the merit or otherwise of DB's post. Clearly i can't as i wasnt present at the listening session. And even if i was, i would either agree or disagree with him. Of course, just to be dramatic or rude or ...  I could choose all sorts of more colourful words to describe my disagreement -- but i'm not sure this achieves anything in my view.

 

enjoy

ken

 

 

Dear Ken.

 

And there is the rub, because I am discussing the rubbish DB posted.

 

So with respect, I have to ask, "What is - exactly - your point?

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 02 June 2015 by Chris Dolan

George

 

You appear not to have really factored in the comment in DB's initial post

 

Before we began Graham was at pains to point out that he was having a run-in bump with the new device and it was not as it was a week or so ago, let alone as accomplished as the Demo S1 Pre he had home demoed that had several more weeks on it.

 

This phenomenon may exist - many have mentioned it but I have yet to experience a significant downturn during burn-in. However, if we accept that there was a perceived deterioration in performance it could perhaps have been due - at least in part - to a cable dressing issue that the ping helped to alleviate.

 

I don't know and Graham may not have shared DB's enthusiasm for the tweak - but I have been pleasantly surprised in the past with the dividends gained from attention to detail with cable dressing.