Are You a Good Sleeper?

Posted by: GraemeH on 18 May 2015

Prompted by Dayjay's comment on another thread where he notes a poor night's sleep I'd add that my own nocturnal restlessness is almost guaranteed these days. Have not had a good solid seven or eight hours for as long as I can remember.

 

Any hints and tips folks?

 

G

Posted on: 19 May 2015 by GraemeH

Really excellent responses folks, thank you very much indeed.

 

pete T15 - I must do every one of your 'don't do' list so that's a good place to start!

 

G

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by pete T15
Originally Posted by Minh Nguyen:
Originally Posted by pete T15:
Originally Posted by Minh Nguyen:
According to Chinese Medicine, many sleep issues are related to the functioning of the liver. I would suggest that you visit a reputable acupuncturist.
You beat me to it Minh about the acupuncture , funny you mention the liver as my friend always refers to me having a lot of 'heat' in my liver ? This is his focus when I see him so yes that may be the key .

Peter .

Hi Peter

I am about to finish my first year of a BSc Hons in Acupuncture and I have seen how effective it is during clinical observations. Many people are afflicted with liver heat rising and a skilled practitioner should be able to return your body to homeostasis.

ATB Minh

That's great Minh , 

 

Yes liver heat is something that is hard to grasp but I certainly felt better after a few sessions , I now go about once a month or so to keep on top of things . I certainly recommend it but definitely make sure see someone who has been referred . 

 

Good luck with your studies . 

 

Peter.

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by pete T15
Originally Posted by GraemeH:

Really excellent responses folks, thank you very much indeed.

 

pete T15 - I must do every one of your 'don't do' list so that's a good place to start!

 

G

Number 6 the hardest  :-)

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by DrMark

And here I am after another night of only 5 and a half hours of shuteye...which sucks even more because after my regular job I have to referee an ice hockey game tonight starting at 10:00 PM   I hope I can nap in between work and leaving but I am generally not a good nap taker when I know there is an impending reason to get up.

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by Jonathan Gorse

Shiftwork has ruined my previously excellent sleep routine, however I have discovered three things that really help:

 

1.  Camomile tea

2.  Boots Lavender pillow spray from their botanics range

3.  Boots lavender soothing gel from their botanics range.

 

I have found all three extremely effective in helping me to sleep.  A good book helps too of course.  The Boots stuff has certainly been adopted by several fellow work colleagues too and they've all found it a great help.

 

Jonathan

 

 

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by Guy007

I also should mention black out curtains, either a liner into the curtains or if you have rods a second layer you add behind. 

 

Basically making the room much darker and more conducive to sleep, hence summer with bright early / late getting good sleep is more problematic than in the winter.  

 

That said, if you're not getting enough light in the day time (especially in Winter), ensure you aren't getting the symptoms of 'Seasonal Affective Disorder'

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by Steve J:

Hi Graeme,

 

I don't know what kind of body type you are but one condition that can seriously affect your sleep, and your health, is sleep apnoea. It's very common and commonly associated with obesity but not necessarily so. There is a common association with having a neck size greater than 16.5". 

 

I have had it for about 20 years and I'm certainly not built like a truck driver. All the sport I've played over the years has left me with a large neck size (17.5"). I sought investigation and treatment because I'd wake up more tired than I went to bed and my wife would panic because I would appear to stop breathing. I needed a few ops on my nasal passages, as a result of a deviated septum after having my nose broken on more than one occasion, and then started using a CPAP machine which blows air into the nasal passages whilst you sleep. This has transformed my life and can't imagine sleeping without one. 

 

If you think you could possibly have this I would urge you to go to your GP and be referred to a local Sleep Clinic. So many men ignore conditions like this.

 

ATB

 

Steve

 

Yup ... I suffer with this and my blood oxygen level dips to the low 80's every 5 minutes or so when I'm asleep.

 

Of course everyone who knows me is aware of my athletic build (well, Sumo's are athletes!) and I have the Alien-like face hugger mask and CPAP machine that I'm supposed to use at night but can only handle for a couple of hours before I wake up and tear it off but yes, I stop breathing every five minutes or so...

 

Not fun...

 

Phil

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by Steve J

Hi Phil,

 

Sorry to hear you're a fellow sufferer. There are many CPAP machines on the market and it was only when I tried the Respironics machine that I have now that I was able to be 100% compliant. If you pop me an email I'll give you the details. (See Profile)

 

Steve

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by charlesphoto
Originally Posted by Minh Nguyen:
According to Chinese Medicine, many sleep issues are related to the functioning of the liver. I would suggest that you visit a reputable acupuncturist.

This is very true. I have an L5/TFL problem with my hip that wakes me up like clockwork in the middle of the night (or never allows me to go to sleep in the first place). I find that if I don't eat after say 7pm the pain is much less. If you look at a 'clock' of the body according to Chines traditional medicine principals, you'll see that between 11 and 3am is the time of the gallbladder/liver. So knock off those late meals (esp desserts) and glasses of tipple and one may do much better. Of course seeing an acupuncturist is always good, but just changing your diet and habits is cheaper (though not necessarily easier). 

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by 911gt3r
Originally Posted by Steve J:

Hi Phil,

 

Sorry to hear you're a fellow sufferer. There are many CPAP machines on the market and it was only when I tried the Respironics machine that I have now that I was able to be 100% compliant. If you pop me an email I'll give you the details. (See Profile)

 

Steve

Isn't sex meant to be a remedi for a good nights sleep?  ATB Peter

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by Steve J

We haven't all married women nearly half our age Peter. 

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by Steve J:

Hi Phil,

 

Sorry to hear you're a fellow sufferer. There are many CPAP machines on the market and it was only when I tried the Respironics machine that I have now that I was able to be 100% compliant. If you pop me an email I'll give you the details. (See Profile)

 

Steve

 

Thanks ... I'll Google it ... I have a ResMed S8 AutoSpirit II which I got on the NHS but bought the humidifier for as it dried out my airways so much and that helped but I find that it always ends up blowing like hell after a couple of hours (I guess I unseat the seal) and I can't breathe...

 

Phil

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by 911gt3r:
Originally Posted by Steve J:

Hi Phil,

 

Sorry to hear you're a fellow sufferer. There are many CPAP machines on the market and it was only when I tried the Respironics machine that I have now that I was able to be 100% compliant. If you pop me an email I'll give you the details. (See Profile)

 

Steve

Isn't sex meant to be a remedi for a good nights sleep?  ATB Peter

 

... erm ... not sure whether that's available on the NHS though!

 

(However I do believe that it is available privately and I guess they'd dress as nurses!)

 

Phil

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by Steve J:

We haven't all married women nearly half our age Peter. 

 

Yeah but that's not sleep - that's exhaustion!

 

Phil

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by Steve J
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:
Originally Posted by Steve J:

Hi Phil,

 

Sorry to hear you're a fellow sufferer. There are many CPAP machines on the market and it was only when I tried the Respironics machine that I have now that I was able to be 100% compliant. If you pop me an email I'll give you the details. (See Profile)

 

Steve

 

Thanks ... I'll Google it ... I have a ResMed S8 AutoSpirit II which I got on the NHS but bought the humidifier for as it dried out my airways so much and that helped but I find that it always ends up blowing like hell after a couple of hours (I guess I unseat the seal) and I can't breathe...

 

Phil

There are many different attachments from full face to nasal inserts. It's just a case of finding the right one that you feel comfortable with. I use a triangular shaped one that goes over my nose.

 

Steve

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by Phil Harris

Thanks for the reminder though ... I packed mine away when I moved (expecting to be moving again soon after) and so haven't used mine for a loooong time (over a year) and I've been meaning to get it out of storage again - that prompted me to pop over to the container and get it!

 

Phil

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by Steve J

It's not doing you any good in a container Phil. 

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by Phil Harris

It's in the back of my car now (along with a brand new facemask and hose)... 

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by 911gt3r
Originally Posted by Steve J:

We haven't all married women nearly half our age Peter. 

LOL, hey maybe that explains my bad back!  ( It's only 13 years though) ATB Peter

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by Steve J

Well S looks half your age! 

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by GraemeH

I'm not really the build type for apnoea so I don't think it is that. 

 

Very quiet BBC World Service helps shorten the wakeful hours but often it is on and off then the 4:30 wake-up and that's me until getting up at 6:15. Grrrr.

 

Will try some 'sleep hygene' remedies.

 

Thanks again

 

G

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by 911gt3r
Originally Posted by Steve J:

Well S looks half your age! 

I take no credit for that!  ATB Peter

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by DrMark
Originally Posted by charlesphoto:
Originally Posted by Minh Nguyen:
According to Chinese Medicine, many sleep issues are related to the functioning of the liver. I would suggest that you visit a reputable acupuncturist.

This is very true. I have an L5/TFL problem with my hip that wakes me up like clockwork in the middle of the night (or never allows me to go to sleep in the first place). I find that if I don't eat after say 7pm the pain is much less. If you look at a 'clock' of the body according to Chines traditional medicine principals, you'll see that between 11 and 3am is the time of the gallbladder/liver. So knock off those late meals (esp desserts) and glasses of tipple and one may do much better. Of course seeing an acupuncturist is always good, but just changing your diet and habits is cheaper (though not necessarily easier). 

From a physical medicine standpoint I can recommend a device called the Rumble Roller - comes in 2 sizes, and 2 levels of firmness.  I have right sided ITB issues and using this really helps.  I recommend the blue (not as hard) one and in the larger size.  (I also bought the harder black one in the smaller size as well.)

 

It's available (like damn near anything else) on Amazon.  It can help with all manner of musculo-skeletal issues either by itself or as an adjunct to NSAIDS, manipulation, and massage.

Posted on: 20 May 2015 by TOBYJUG

  Some transcendental meditation or to imagine your mind as a blank page and make the lightest of sketches.

Posted on: 22 May 2015 by Gingerbeard

A very interesting thread this  I have found my sleep getting worse as I get older. I used to sleep solidly and straight through but find myself more and more having restless nights. It's not good as I can be a right grouch when not getting enough sleep. Recently I have found reading for half an hour to an hour in bed before I drop off helps. No electronics after 10.30 pm either accept at weekends when I stay up a little later. Black out curtains help enormously and is something we need to get ASAP. Thanks for all the tips, ill definitely be trying out one or two