Optimal Network Configuration?

Posted by: GraemeH on 12 June 2015

Our network access point is in a separate room to the Hi-Fi. I bring the cable directly in to a Virgin Superhub (latest) modem and then run a short cat5e from that direct to the PC located close by.

 

I also connect from the modem via a short cat6 to Netgear 10/100 mbps 5 way switch placed atop the PC.

 

From the switch I then run a short cat6 to my WD NAS beside the PC and a long run of cat6 (20m) underfloor to the Sonos Connect beside the Hi-Fi in the other room.

 

I have spare outlets on both the Virgin Superhub and Netgear switch.

 

Is this Optimal?

 

Thanks

 

G

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by Bart

This sounds perfectly normal and reasonable to me.  I have a very similar setup, with the ISP's modem/router in one room, my switch and nas located close by, and a long run of cat cable to my NDS several rooms away.  My run is longer than 20m.  Zero issues with it.

 

(I believe that industry specs permit for up to 100m runs.  Obviously those are just specs; the cable has to be in good condition and a short run of poor condition cable can be a problem.  My long run is not a fancy cable; just the bulk cable my local hi fi shop uses for in-home installations.)

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by ChrisH

Yours is virtually identical to mine also (apart from you use Cat6 in your long run and I have Cat5e, probably like Bart) GrahamH.

Also runs with zero problems.

Seems optimal I think.

 

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by GraemeH

Thanks gents. I'm no expert at this sort of thing and just worked on what seemed logical.

 

G

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by Paul Meakin

I'd plug all the devices into the switch and let that handle the heavier load, e.g. PC to NAS. Cable modems and routers tend to have lower throughput than switches.

 

Have a look at this article on Computer Audiophile;

http://www.computeraudiophile....ork-audio-refresher/

 

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by MartinKocurek

I have at home network made from CAT5e cabling Router-Switch-sockets in all rooms. Would it help me to use CAT7 cable from NDX to socket if from router/ switch to socket is used CAT5e cable ? NAS is also connected to switch through socket to swith with CAT5e cable

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by Paul Meakin:

I'd plug all the devices into the switch and let that handle the heavier load, e.g. PC to NAS. Cable modems and routers tend to have lower throughput than switches.

 

Have a look at this article on Computer Audiophile;

http://www.computeraudiophile....ork-audio-refresher/

 

Thanks Paul. I'd need google translate for that article to be comprehensible to me I'm afraid. In laymans terms what do you suggest I change in the configuration I've described?

 

Thanks,

 

G

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by Paul Meakin

Easy one, plug the PC into the switch instead of the Superhub.

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by Bart
Originally Posted by Paul Meakin:

Easy one, plug the PC into the switch instead of the Superhub.

I should have noted that I have EVERYTHING plugged into my switch.  The only thing plugged into my ISP's modem/router is the switch; everything else is connected to the switch.  And as I've noted here in the past, I've also off-loaded wifi from the ISP's router.  WIfi is handled by a Time Capsule (connected to the same switch) and an Airport Extreme (used to extend the wifi network, as I have a home where I need coverage in many far corners).

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by ChrisSU

I agree, everything (i.e. your PC too) connected to the hub rather than the router should be better, although if everything works as it is, there may be no need to change that.

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by GraemeH

Cheers. All seems to work well as is.

 

G

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by Bart
Originally Posted by GraemeH:

Cheers. All seems to work well as is.

 

G

I'm not surprised.  We like to say that the ISP routers aren't very good switches, but clearly they are "good enough" for many uses. Millions of subscribers use them for their intended purpose, and unlike us, are totally unaware of their shortcomings ;-)

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by Bart:
Originally Posted by GraemeH:

Cheers. All seems to work well as is.

 

G

I'm not surprised.  We like to say that the ISP routers aren't very good switches, but clearly they are "good enough" for many uses. Millions of subscribers use them for their intended purpose, and unlike us, are totally unaware of their shortcomings ;-)

My main concern was that my audio was being routed optimally and that has been confirmed.

 

G

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by Paul Meakin

Just remember that if you start having any issues, move the PC to the switch.

 

It will also be quicker if you're bulk transferring from PC to NAS, e.g. for those backups that we should all do, but often don't. May not an issue if you do backups overnight, though.

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by Paul Meakin:

Just remember that if you start having any issues, move the PC to the switch.

 

It will also be quicker if you're bulk transferring from PC to NAS, e.g. for those backups that we should all do, but often don't. May not an issue if you do backups overnight, though.

OK - I'll move it anyway.

 

Sound advice, thanks.

 

G

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by MartinKocurek
Originally Posted by MartinKocurek:

I have at home network made from CAT5e cabling Router-Switch-sockets in all rooms. Would it help me to use CAT7 cable from NDX to socket if from router/ switch to socket is used CAT5e cable ? NAS is also connected to switch through socket to swith with CAT5e cable

could somebody answer to me? should I invest to better cable from NDX or it makes no sense if cabling inside walls from switch are only CAT 5e?

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Originally Posted by GraemeH:

Our network access point is in a separate room to the Hi-Fi. I bring the cable directly in to a Virgin Superhub (latest) modem and then run a short cat5e from that direct to the PC located close by.

 

I also connect from the modem via a short cat6 to Netgear 10/100 mbps 5 way switch placed atop the PC.

 

From the switch I then run a short cat6 to my WD NAS beside the PC and a long run of cat6 (20m) underfloor to the Sonos Connect beside the Hi-Fi in the other room.

 

I have spare outlets on both the Virgin Superhub and Netgear switch.

 

Is this Optimal?

 

Thanks

 

G

Sounds fine.. The although unknown is the wifi... I don't know how good the Virgin super hub device is.. If you have issues with disappearing devices etc then having a seperate wifi access point for iPad running the Naim app should remedy. You would plug the wifi access point into the switch.

Simon

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Originally Posted by MartinKocurek:
Originally Posted by MartinKocurek:

I have at home network made from CAT5e cabling Router-Switch-sockets in all rooms. Would it help me to use CAT7 cable from NDX to socket if from router/ switch to socket is used CAT5e cable ? NAS is also connected to switch through socket to swith with CAT5e cable

could somebody answer to me? should I invest to better cable from NDX or it makes no sense if cabling inside walls from switch are only CAT 5e?

Martin it make difference because you are effectively shaping or tuning electrical noise.. Worth an experiment.

Simon

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by GraemeH
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:
Originally Posted by GraemeH:

Our network access point is in a separate room to the Hi-Fi. I bring the cable directly in to a Virgin Superhub (latest) modem and then run a short cat5e from that direct to the PC located close by.

 

I also connect from the modem via a short cat6 to Netgear 10/100 mbps 5 way switch placed atop the PC.

 

From the switch I then run a short cat6 to my WD NAS beside the PC and a long run of cat6 (20m) underfloor to the Sonos Connect beside the Hi-Fi in the other room.

 

I have spare outlets on both the Virgin Superhub and Netgear switch.

 

Is this Optimal?

 

Thanks

 

G

Sounds fine.. The although unknown is the wifi... I don't know how good the Virgin super hub device is.. If you have issues with disappearing devices etc then having a seperate wifi access point for iPad running the Naim app should remedy. You would plug the wifi access point into the switch.

Simon

Thanks Simon. Wifi is good and I no longer use the Naim app. Sonos via iPad and the Sonos itself hard-wired with wifi disabled.

 

G

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by MartinKocurek

@Simon thank you. I need to find dealer who will borrow me LAN cable.

Posted on: 12 June 2015 by rjstaines

What I've done is move the switch near to my audio kit and also move my NAS near too. The switch is wall mounted beside the Fraim Lite stack and the Netgear NAS hides in a cupboard, sitting on a sorbothane cushion thingy.

 

The l o n g  cable run goes from the switch near the hifi, right back to the router in another room.  The computer plugs into the router, not the switch because all my music is on my NAS (as I assume yours is) so my computer has no audio duties at all.

 

The wireless access point plugs into the switch & talks to my ipad with n-stream & n-serv.

 

This way, the connections between the NAS (source) and server (HDX) & streamer (NDS) are all relatively short (3m or 5m).  This in turn allows me to use an upgraded CAT5x cable to carry my music files between the NAS & the player(s)  - Sarum STA network cable.... OK, not Sarum yet, but Chord C-Stream at the mo