Statement Streamer?

There is one in pipeline!

Fred

So is the software Fred 

Just wonder how much:-)

Just hope it will have the black box design, otherwise it doesn't fit so well. Very much looking forward to an even better streamer than my NDS.

Just thought out of the box design and price point aspect I hope it will not be a statement streamer but just be the ND555 - with pricepoint close to CD555 - that would be something to consider.

It will be great to see - but please oh please let have the web lossless streaming software first.. unless it can only appear on the Statement Streamer 

I have mo need for a streamer, but bring me a statement DAC; I'm all in for that....Apart from the cost obviously.

The dac needs to stay in the same box as the streamer. Existing streamer owners are already in line for an upgrade. The future is reduced box counts, not extra ones.

The DAC doesn't 'need' to be in the same box as the streamer.  I would prefer the two were seperate to keep my options open.

+1

They really do if you want the best signal path. If you prefer them separate, fine - move on to another brand, but that' s not what is best for most Naim customers. I'll stick with the Naim engineers.

I would not. Each to our own.

A Statement level streamer is said to be in the works. Timeline unknown.

Thanks AndyPat, well that's us told then. Anymore opinions you want us to have?

Oops, must have touched a nerve there. Fancy having an opinion. The very audacity.  I'll try harder to fit in with the cognoscenti.

FWIW, your Super Bowl prediction was pretty much dead-on .

Are you an expatriate? (pun intended)

It's the DAC that affects SQ not the 'streamer' so what's the point of spending tens of thousands of pounds on what is just computer technology that will soon be superceded by something better. As for a new DAC Naim's pricing structure will have to reflect other DACs on the market. If the Dave, as Chord are saying, is 'the worlds best DAC' the Naim will have to produce something much better to justify charging more.

Perhaps then the ND555 should become a three box system. Streamer as such, separated dac, separated power supply. Which also would open up the road for another power supply one on the streamer and one on the dac.....

Allen, I notice that you keep mentioning a disappointment with the amount of "memory"  in the steamers.  Which memory are you referring to? Is it the buffer?  If so, I think that's purposely kept fairly small as it sounds slightly better that way.  But that shouldn't be causing a problem unless your network has problems.  What problems are you experiencing?

FWIW - I enjoy reading all the speculation on these kinds of threads. Keeps things lively. I imagine those that work at Naim must get a real cackle reading these comments, especially when they actually know what's coming down the pipeline

£50K for a Statement streamer you ask? I wouldn't pay £5K for a streamer, should I ever become inclined to stream (officially leaving the door open for myself ). That said, I'll bow out with my tail tucked between my legs.

I think the memory thing is a "red herring",which Phil Harris has debunked. However, that doesn't undermine Allen's point that software and firmware development is pitifully slow. The reason remain unclear:

- lack of resource

- quality of resource

- poor software or hardware design

- failure by management to prioritise

- poor organisation

- reliance on third parties

The last one interests me and hasn't really been discussed much on this forum. Is Naim able to control its own destiny or locked into an agreement with a supplier?

Akeith

Richard, I believe Allen (and others elsewhere) is talking about genereal programming resource memory which he suspects may be limiting the ability to develop lossless streaming service interoperability .. At least in terms of having a hub type platform as opposed to a passive receiver 'Connect' type environment controlled by bespoke client apps for each service.. Even the latter would require a 'connect' profile for every lossless/lossy  streaming service supported. 

I don't think he is talking about buffer sizes  etc, anyway that would be a quite seperate and feel it unlikely it would affect multiple service interoperability.. and Phil H inferred as much recently.

Simon

Keith, in your post above are you making a statement or asking a question?  If the latter, maybe a few question marks would be appropriate.

Hi Richard

I'm not so sure about dropping £50k on a statement streamer but your new, slimline memory steamer (from 2 posts up) sounds most intriguing.  Any further details that you can share?  Hope it's not just a kettle.

best regards, FT

Simon, I guess that's something that would have to be asked of Naim.  How much resource memory is there, and how much is wanted? Would it make any difference to Naim's choice of "Connect" service?  In my experience of Naim, decisions are usually made with SQ as top priority, so maybe there are good reasons why things are as they are.

Having said all that, being unable to use streaming services ( I live in the UK countryside where internet can be fast but is very unreliable with up to 50 drops a day thanks to poor wiring, junction boxes etc..) it's all a bit off my radar.  Until BT can afford to upgrade their rural infrastructure a good chunk of the population will be unable to stream anything over the internet, let alone full fat uncompressed audio.

I would have thought it should be one question mark at the end of the last point with semicolons at the end of the others, not "question marks"? Or perhaps the previous sentence was a statement and shouldn't have a question mark? And should I be starting sentences with conjunctions?

Keith