Statement Streamer?

That would be an interesting move, when things are going in the opposite direction. Linn have got it right in my view, streaming preamp with a Poweramp or powered speakers, and no added power supplies. I've no idea what it sounds like, but the concept is brilliant. Who wants loads of boxes if they can get away with fewer? Only a willy waver, surely?

Richard as far as SQ, exactly.. Hence the argument of keeping DACs and streamer etc.

With regard to broadband, 80% have sync speeds way and above required for CD quality loss less audio now. The vast majority of the remaining is being in filled through UK Gov, EU funding. By 2018  I seem to remember reading the coverage of > 2Mbps should > 95%. I personally am affected by this rural in fill programme. But on my current lowly rural ADSL line I usually have no issue with Qobuz into a Sonos...

However your line should be stable, if not you need to raise a fault. BT Openreach have very specific parameters for a telephone line... It makes our audio interconnects look primitive . If these parameters are outside spec and the fault is not on your property, which isnot always the case, it should be repaired.

Its worth remembering many long line ADSL stability issues are caused by local interference such as noisy SMPS, faulty/poorly designed solar panel inverters, bad low voltage lighting PSUs, PLAs etc.

Simon

But I've also succumbed to doing it. And it seems to make for effective communication in this Twitter age. So I no longer worry about doing it. Nor do I care. For I've given up with grammar. Yet I shudder whenever I do it. Or at least get a chill down my spine.

sentances with conjunctions.. I blame auto correct on iPads... When ever you do ... It always inserts a capital... See what I mean?

No I don't . Where's the conjunction?

Agreed Simon. We can also blame PowerPoint for over-use of bullet points

Richard was right to ask me if my points were question or statements, but do think it's best to restrict their use to the end of sentences!

It's pretty obvious I don't know the answer to my question(s). However, problems with slow development are rarely down to one issue (eg memory). They are more commonly caused by a number of issues. I have listed the most obvious ones, but feel free to add any I've missed.

I fully support prioritising SQ over interface and if there's a conflict then it had to be SQ. That conflict could be technical or the need to allocate finite resources within a budget. If it's the latter, then perhaps it should be less of an issue for a flagship product with a bigger budget, especially in a market were excellent products are available at much lower costs.

Keith

Oh, fair enough. I thought he strongly implied it wasn't an issue. I assumed that was because Naim tend not to give unequivocal answers to these questions. Also, I can't remember exactly what he said.

I still suspect it's multiple reasons. Do we know if the development is "in house", for example?

Joerand ... And so my post should had a conjunction or two... For I was just illustrating the .... Point.

Simon

No, true, but it exists and has a high degree of market penetration, whereas it would appear that the lossless alternatives do not, so it would appear to make sense to support Spotify.  I don't know the detailed ins and out of the market, and with the woeful infrastructure here where I live I'm actually rather on the sidelines here, but it would appear that everything is moving fast and players are all vying for share of a very unstable and somewhat commercially unproven market.  From where I'm sitting it looks like Naim have backed the most stable player and I'm sure the same will apply (sooner or later) with a lossless provider. 

Personally, I'd just like to be able to use something like Spotify, at the very least. I can't see it happening any time soon. In the meantime I'll just keep putting the kettle on for yet more BT engineers to come.  But I can't really blame Naim for that one...

Richard, I do detect a contradiction .. If Naim's number one priority is SQ, why choose Spotify?

if Naim was appealing for the largest common denominator I suspect you wouldn't focus on SQ above all else...

Simon, as I'm not party to Naim's decision making, I can only make an educated guess.  See my post above.

Hi Richard,

Agreed, it would appear that everything is moving fast. Everything, that is, except Naim's software development.

Not only is everything moving fast, it's accelerating.

By the way, spend a lot of time explaining to investors why stuff can't happen when we would like it to so I do sympathise, and don't, for a moment, blame those working hard to make this stuff happen.

Keith

Richard precisely, yes we crossed posts. The more you think about it.. The more it feels not quite right... And you feel we only have a part of the story. Hence the posts and posts and posts on the matter.. 

if there is an underlying architecture issue limiting resources.. I hope Naim can resolve with a retro upgrade .. but I suspect this would unlikely happen, but it did with the sample rate streaming board update so can't rule it out.

Simon

The way to find out what's going on is to email Paul and ask him. 

Indeed.. that is a jolly good suggestion...

So at least you know now 

Indeed. Endless repetitive mithering on the Forum gets no one anywhere. Ask a question, get an answer. Easy. 

The fact that sales are booming would indicated that Naim's strategy isn't wrong, though you may think it is. There are a few options, including going to work for Naim and influencing from within, accepting the position and getting on with it, or switching to another brand, getting the features you want but with a different sound, for better or for worse. But going on an and on about the same thing won't help. I'm not trying to be rude here, it's just the way it is. 

Sorry, no patronising intended. Of course it's a forum and of course people can say what they like, but given that you've moved on I find the repeated sniping interesting. It may make you happy, but it would make me miserable, which is probably why I don't understand the motivation. Anyway and as you say, I don't have to read it. I shall go back to drinking coffee and listening to Bach's Cello Suites. Even with my excessively small buffer, it sounds just lovely. 

Depending on how it sounded, yes. In theory.

My parameters are narrow. Sound quality/musical enjoyment from ripped CDs, downloaded 16/44 and ripped or downloaded 24bit and DSD. 

Spotify, Quobuz streaming etc and even iRadio we are not remotely interested in. We wouldn't care if it didn't have them. In fact we would personally prefer it for the lack of clutter to the facilities.

Different strokes.

But it can be difficult to avoid sometimes!

I'm naturally curious. 

Crikey, how long was I gone....!

So is it ridiculous to spend a huge amount on a Naim unit that cannot for example play Tidal or Qubuz, when an inexpensive pc/tablet can!!!!! Just thought I'd throw that verbal hand grenade in there!!!!

I wonder what the general public's take is on this? I'm guessing lots of facilities and ease of use.Even if they care.

We all have our 'shortcomings.'

Unrelated, Simon I contacted you via your Suffolk Images e-mail. I can't work out how to here on this site. Cheers Steve

I disagree. After a week-long trial of a DAC-less Aurender N100 its very clear that streamers can have a big impact on sound quality. In my system the SQ of the Aurender is significantly better than my NDX (digital out) or Mac into my Devialet and I know at least two others who have performed similar comparisons using an Aurender into Chord Hugo/Hugo TT and are of the same opinion. 

So both are important - the streamer and the DAC.