HD downloads & rights restrictions - options & workarounds?

Posted by: King Size on 23 June 2015

I've been trying to buy a 96/24 version of Tom Petty's 'Damn The Torpedoes' and have found it at hdtracks.com, prostudiomasters.com and qobuz.com; however all three stores have territorial restrictions that prevent me from buying.  

 

Keen to know what my options or work-arounds are.  I know that Paypal and USA addresses have been mentioned in the past but these no longer seems like options.  I even tried using our internet providers 'global mode' but it still picks up where I am.  So at this point in time i'm kind of stumped.

 

Any suggestions appreciated. 

Posted on: 23 June 2015 by robgr

You need a VPN or DNS service, see here

 

Some popular examples are ExpressVPN & shadeyouvpn

 

Posted on: 23 June 2015 by King Size

Thanks.  Seems like my internet provider might only be offering a DNS service with access to specific sites like Netflix; which doesn't work as they still pick up i'm in NZ.

 

 So I guess setting up my own VPN is more likely to work?

Posted on: 23 June 2015 by robgr

It's more to do with the source IP address. Using a VPN service to another territory uses an IP proper to that location (hiding your own IP) so you appear to originate from that location

Posted on: 23 June 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Yes you need a VPN service. This simply allows you to tunnel through the internet - usually on an encrypted link - through to a remote VPN concentrator acting as proxy where it breaks out onto the web. Therefore you are effectively proxying your general web access via a third party across the internet... and if that third party is in another country it looks like you in that country as far as the web is concerned.

 

A so called 'DNS' service (which you shouldn't confuse with real DNS services    ) do similar things.

 

A VPN access will be typically slower because a) you have the performance overheads of the remote concentrator and possible congestion and b) if the link is encrypted then more bandwidth is required for a given amount of data.

VPNs are common place in the corporate world where remote offices and home workers can be securely connected together by secure tunnelling across the internet.

 

Simon

 

Posted on: 23 June 2015 by King Size

Thanks both.  So it is likely that the DNS service offered by my internet provider only works on websites determined by them and that if I want to get access to the likes of HD tracks then a VPN is the way to go?

 

Also if I use a VPN service is it something that I can 'log into' only when I want to buy from HDTracks etc or and just use my standard internet provider services the rest of the time?

 

Apologies for the stupid questions but i'm new to this and just want to make sure of the facts before a subscribe to a service

 

Thanks

KS

Posted on: 23 June 2015 by robgr

The destination site is refusing you as it recognises you're not local by your IP address. Your ISP DNS service is doing what it always does which is returning the IP for a given website address so you can be routed onwards (it doesn't care where you're going per se but there are exceptions to this)

You can select which country you require to proxy via, just remember to change it back or you'll be using local sites where that's applicable!

Posted on: 23 June 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

KS, VPN services vary. There are some free ones, but their performance can often be poor and I would be suspicious of the motivation of some of them unfortunately.

 

However there are other VPN providers than can offer monthly contracts etc. Google VPN service and see the providers out there and you will get a feel.

 

Most setups allow you to enable the VPN easily from a Mac or PC for when you need it - and when disabled allow you revert to local breakout.

 

Simon

 

Posted on: 23 June 2015 by King Size

But then why won't the DNS service work with HD Tracks?  I thought the idea was that websites wouldn't be able to tell I was in NZ - at least that is the way hit was explained to me - but you are saying they still can?

 

I would ask my ISP but all info on their so called 'Global Mode' is no longer accessible due to pending legal action against ISPs offering this service.

Posted on: 23 June 2015 by Richard Dane

A member has brought this thread too my attention.  They make some interesting and perhaps relevant points that suggest a degree of caution should be heeded.  I hope they don't mind if I quote the most pertinent parts here;

 

Using a VPN/Proxy to circumvent restrictions is dubious. If you use a cloak then you need to trust the cloak provider not to inspect the traffic and extract confidential passwords and not to log transactions.  In using a cloak, the user is scrambling traffic to hide it from the authorities. A practice that is not always used for innocent purposes.

 

I'm a bit uncomfortable with the Naim forum being used to promote such cloaking and also it might be argued that Naim have a duty of care to protect forum members as best they can, so this thread may well be removed in due course.

Posted on: 23 June 2015 by King Size

Thanks Simon, yes I realise services vary and agree I would be suspicious of free ones.  Have already found some recommendations online.

 

Have also been chatting to a customer rep at one who confirmed I can log in and out as needed.  Anyway it's passed midnight here and need to get up for work in the morning.

 

Thanks to both of you for your help.

 

KS

 

Posted on: 23 June 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

KS assuming you are referring to VPNs, no the web site can not dentify your source - technically its called topology hiding. However they might take a view that a certain VPN service provider is circumventing their geolocation access controls and could then block the IP address of the VPN provider accessing their website. Its never happened to me - but technically quite possible.

 

You  might be better off discussing on a network forum rather than here.. VPNs are used extensively and are mandatory in some setups and provide often required and beneficial safety and security for its users, but could also be used by an unlawful minority for illicit purposes - which I am not suggesting you are..

 

Children need to be treated as children and watched over in the play pen

 

Simon

 

Posted on: 23 June 2015 by King Size

Understood Richard, and points duly noted.  I'll leave it here now.  

Just wish it wasn't so frustrating to legitimately buy HD music.

Posted on: 23 June 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Richard, the concern is shared, but that quote you provided is really ill advised and possibly misleading if pertaining only to VPNs. Any user on the web whether via a VPN or direct should always use SSL or other form TLS when sending passwords or personal information. Always make sure the key symbol or equivalent on your browser is active. This way no one can easily decrypt your data - whether a criminal, thirdparty, VPN provider or ISP. The relevant governments will have access to the private keys if required.

If using wifi access in a public hot spot - please ALWAYS ensure you are using encrypted accesses and some advise, usually organizations, only going via an encrypted VPN service. Simple general web access security hygiene. Alas there is much naivety about how  insecure general web access is

Simon

 

 

Posted on: 24 June 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

But then they tend to be not that inconspicuous - which is just as well

 

 

Posted on: 24 June 2015 by Harry

Have you asked Qobuz to lift the IP block? This has worked for a number of us.

Posted on: 24 June 2015 by King Size

Thanks Harry, no I haven't as Qobuz streaming service isn't even available ins NZ.  

Guess I could ask the question though. Thanks