Tellurium Q Black in da house

Posted by: hungryhalibut on 23 June 2015

Postie arrived this morning with a cardboard box containing 2 4m lengths of Tellurium Q Black speaker cable, bought from James of this fine Forum. Even with the PMC twenty.23's nasty biwire links reinstalled they are sounding very good compared to the A5. They are not at all dull, like the Chord Odyssey I tried before, and seem to provide the drive and engagement of A5 while wiping away a layer of mush and providing greater clarity and insight. They are smaller than the A5 and much floppier, which makes them easier to handle, which is a welcome improvement. I've ordered some Q Black biwire links so that I can make a proper assessment, but initial impressions are very positive. 

Posted on: 26 August 2015 by pete T15
Originally Posted by T38.45:
Anyone uses the digital TQ line?

Hi , I have a TQ Blue digital RCA which I bought extremely cheaply from the auction site , I had it between my Hugo and ND5XS with an adapter and it worked fine . I bought a Chord Signature Tuned Aray BNC-RCA as I wanted to be adapter free , it absolutely blew the TQ Blue away ( I used RCA-RCA on home dem with the same results ) which it should do given the RRP difference but the Chord Anthem was also much better too . The TQ Blue now connects my Bluray to the streamer .

 

Peter. 

Posted on: 26 August 2015 by CariocaJeff

I use a TQ graphite BNC-RCA between my HDX and Vitus DAC. it replaced a naim digital interconnect and was a big improvement, but at a much higher cost.

Posted on: 27 August 2015 by T38.45

Thank you for feedback, think I' ll give TQ and Sarum a try...

 

Posted on: 10 September 2015 by Slim68

I found some SH tellurium q black speaker cable and purchased new (but burnt in) jumpers. What I have found is a similar jump in SQ from when I changed from QED profile 12 to NAC A5. The sound is that bit clearer, bass is tighter/deeper and to my ears more involving. I took a punt as I thought if it is no better I'll just sell them on with a small loss but they are here to stay.

Posted on: 13 October 2015 by ChrisSU

HH, is there Something you'd Like to tell us......? 

Posted on: 13 October 2015 by hungryhalibut
Hmm, don't think so!
Posted on: 13 October 2015 by Karl

HH have you fallen out of love with your Telerium Q Black ?

I hear Naim NAC A5 is quite good.  

Karl

Posted on: 16 October 2015 by Kiwi cat

I've just put 5m of TQB from my 250dr to my Ovator 400s. They have replaced Naim A5 cable. First impressions are of a detailed, clear and polite sound. However it lacks the exciting visceral character of the A5. It's early days as I have only listened to them for an hour. How long do they take to break in? will they get more visceral?

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by fathings cat

I did not get on with TQB, it made a real mess of my system so switched back to naca5. So many advocates on here but it just turned my system to mud..... Strange we have different experiences

 

Gary

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by Christopher_M

I have a mental image of the TQ's senior staff sitting around the boardroom table at a sales meeting in the early autumn light of Monday morning, struggling to explain the spike in TQB sales over the second and third quarters of 2015. But we know different  :-)

 

Chris

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

I bet the sales generated for Forum members is a mere pimple on the bottom of TQB sales, but it's nice to kid ourselves that we might make a difference. 

 

Since getting some Naim speakers, and testing A5 against TQB, I found that I slightly preferred the A5. Whereas, with the PMC 23s I strongly preferred the TQB. With the Naim speakers the A5 gives a more solid and coherent sound, with greater drive, so I'm not surprised at Kiwi's result. 

 

As ever, cables need to be heard in the context of the system. I was not expecting to prefer A5 with my Naim speakers. Others may, of course, prefer TQB with Naim speakers.

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by Christopher_M:

I have a mental image of the TQ's senior staff sitting around the boardroom table at a sales meeting in the early autumn light of Monday morning, struggling to explain the spike in TQB sales over the second and third quarters of 2015. But we know different  :-)

 

Chris

.... eeerr ...........  boardroom ?  senior staff ?

More like a couple of bloke's purring over the bank account

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by Chris Dolan

Although they could have ramped up production as a consequence and not realise that demand might not be quite as strong soon 

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by Acred

I used TQ in a 282/300 system with Neat Ultimatum XLS speakers. Tried for about 10 min and went back to N5. The TQ seemed OK with my 250 which I used for quite a while so the cables were burnt in. But with the 300 amp the TQs sounded laid back and delicate. They lacked the involvement you get with N5.

 

Since then ive moved to SL which is a wholly different thing.

 

Acred

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by dayjay

Well you gave it a proper good go for ten minutes then

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by HiFiman
Originally Posted by dayjay:

Well you gave it a proper good go for ten minutes then

That included the installation time too 

 

 

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by T38.45

I' m running T Black USB and digital coax (Aurender and Auralic) it's a fantastic invest. Never thought that a digital cable could make such a difference...

Posted on: 18 October 2015 by Kiwi cat

After another few hours of listening to the TQB I am finding it more detailed but less involving. My conclusion from this brief listen is that if you have non Naim speakers give TQB a go by all means, but if it's Naim speakers you have, then stick with Naim cables. I'm just going to stick with all Naim gear in the future as it is designed to work together well.

Posted on: 19 October 2015 by Disposable hero
Originally Posted by Kiwi cat:

After another few hours of listening to the TQB I am finding it more detailed but less involving. My conclusion from this brief listen is that if you have non Naim speakers give TQB a go by all means, but if it's Naim speakers you have, then stick with Naim cables. I'm just going to stick with all Naim gear in the future as it is designed to work together well.

Logical point there.

I've read the entire thread and it kind of resembles the DAC situation, for those turning to non-Naim DACs.  I was thinking of taking a punt on TQB at 5.0 metres lengths (plus jumpers if available) to try in place of NACA5, between Nait XS-2 and Neat Motive 2.  Would anyone have experience of this or anything close to this sort of setup?

Also more broadly about music with quite high tempo - electronic, techno, dance/ club, industrial/ cyber/ math metal, and how well or not well was it delivered if using Telerium Q Black instead of NACA5.  Could the Telerium Q Black still muster up enough firepower to work for high tempo music?

Posted on: 23 October 2015 by feeling_zen

Damn you HH and your TQ Black thread.

 

First a comment you made got me thinking about the Witchhat Hatpin 4x, which I said I would never do and now have one on back order.

 

Now this thread you've started has grown out of all proportion and got me thinking about TQ Black. I've pondered ordering it and some links a several times in the past couple days, though unlike the Hatpin, it is kind of pricey to just try it for a punt.

 

Similar to when you first made the change, I'm using 23s into a 250.2. But I am wondering whether anyone here who went to TQ did so from Atlas Hyper 2 or 3? Much of the comments about added detail and controlled low mid on the TQ compared to the A5  could be said about Hyper 2 to A5 comparison also. So I have to wonder, what would really be expected from the change?

Posted on: 23 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

It's impossible to say, as the Atlas is an unknown quantity. I would certainly be wary about taking a punt on something the new price of the TQ without hearing it first. I bought mine used, and then sold them on at a very small profit. The Atlas may, of course, be even better than the TQB. 

 

While the TQ was much better than the A5 with the PMCs, preserving the drive and involvement of the Naim cable yet at the same time removing a layer of mush, like cleaning the windows, the tables were turned when I got the Naim speakers, in which case the A5 was clearly better, feeling more solid and integrated. 

 

This may have as much to do with the plugs as the nature of the wire itself, and it may be possible to get even better results with TQ wire and Naim plugs. 

 

Maybe be picking up some TQ used is an option but as, I believe, you live in Japan, that might be tricky. If you are happy with the sound you are getting from the excellent 23s, the best thing to do is to do nothing.  I'm assuming that you are using Atlas biwire links to replace the PMC originals - if not, you should definitely give it a go. 

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by Huwge
Originally Posted by feeling_zen:

 

 

Similar to when you first made the change, I'm using 23s into a 250.2. But I am wondering whether anyone here who went to TQ did so from Atlas Hyper 2 or 3? Much of the comments about added detail and controlled low mid on the TQ compared to the A5  could be said about Hyper 2 to A5 comparison also. So I have to wonder, what would really be expected from the change?

Very happy Hyper 3.0 user, although occasionally switch A5 back in. I think you need to be able to audition speaker cables wherever possible, just like equipment, as room acoustics play such an important role. I ended up with Atlas as a good compromise cable for my current listening environment which is very bright and made A5 just too edgy, now if we had some more carpets...

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by feeling_zen
Yup good advice from HH and Huwge. That's cured me of the desire to tinker for no reason. Cheers.

I have a very challenging room with a 7m floor to ceiling wrap around window and a sprung hardwood floor. Yet currently the system sounds more balanced than it did at the dealer's dem room. I probably shouldn't mess with it too much. The fact the dound doesn't currently suffer from tits 'n' ass syndrome (bright trebble and boomy bass) is a miracle.

Gonna try and track down some Atlas jumpers though to replace the links on the PMCs. I actually did not ever bother with that since prior to going Naim I always biwired.

Cheers again.
Posted on: 24 October 2015 by dayjay
Originally Posted by feeling_zen:

Damn you HH and your TQ Black thread.

 

First a comment you made got me thinking about the Witchhat Hatpin 4x, which I said I would never do and now have one on back order.

 

Now this thread you've started has grown out of all proportion and got me thinking about TQ Black. I've pondered ordering it and some links a several times in the past couple days, though unlike the Hatpin, it is kind of pricey to just try it for a punt.

 

Similar to when you first made the change, I'm using 23s into a 250.2. But I am wondering whether anyone here who went to TQ did so from Atlas Hyper 2 or 3? Much of the comments about added detail and controlled low mid on the TQ compared to the A5  could be said about Hyper 2 to A5 comparison also. So I have to wonder, what would really be expected from the change?

Punt away, you can get the TQ Black used, as HH says, and the risk is minimal because its very easy to move on and get your money back.  Mine is going nowhere, its brilliant and bound my system together very nicely indeed

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by feeling_zen
Originally Posted by dayjay:
Originally Posted by feeling_zen:

Damn you HH and your TQ Black thread.

 

First a comment you made got me thinking about the Witchhat Hatpin 4x, which I said I would never do and now have one on back order.

 

Now this thread you've started has grown out of all proportion and got me thinking about TQ Black. I've pondered ordering it and some links a several times in the past couple days, though unlike the Hatpin, it is kind of pricey to just try it for a punt.

 

Similar to when you first made the change, I'm using 23s into a 250.2. But I am wondering whether anyone here who went to TQ did so from Atlas Hyper 2 or 3? Much of the comments about added detail and controlled low mid on the TQ compared to the A5  could be said about Hyper 2 to A5 comparison also. So I have to wonder, what would really be expected from the change?

Punt away, you can get the TQ Black used, as HH says, and the risk is minimal because its very easy to move on and get your money back.  Mine is going nowhere, its brilliant and bound my system together very nicely indeed

Considering you can't do ebay in Japan, they are nigh on impossible to get here and just as hard to move on. It would be new or none. Inclined to cool my head and not mess with it for a while. Maybe next time I'm in the UK.