Tellurium Q Black in da house

Posted by: hungryhalibut on 23 June 2015

Postie arrived this morning with a cardboard box containing 2 4m lengths of Tellurium Q Black speaker cable, bought from James of this fine Forum. Even with the PMC twenty.23's nasty biwire links reinstalled they are sounding very good compared to the A5. They are not at all dull, like the Chord Odyssey I tried before, and seem to provide the drive and engagement of A5 while wiping away a layer of mush and providing greater clarity and insight. They are smaller than the A5 and much floppier, which makes them easier to handle, which is a welcome improvement. I've ordered some Q Black biwire links so that I can make a proper assessment, but initial impressions are very positive. 

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Chris Dolan
 - dealers hinting against the party line - the seeds of revolution sown 
Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Christopher_M

Naimiac,

Are you free for a glass of wine, one evening after work next week?! 

 

Chris

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by hungryhalibut

Chris, in case you hadn't realised, Tinder is another site altogether - this is the Naim Forum, where people dis cuss wires. Whatever next?

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Steve J
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
All I did was say that I had bought some out of interest, and much to my surprise I preferred it to A5. I'm not sure that's sufficient to unleash a diatribe.

Ah, but as some are saying in the Hugo thread, it doesn't have the Naim signature.  

 

Enjoy.

 

Steve

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by hungryhalibut
I've just been boxing up the Naim leads ready to post them to their new owner. Coiling them up is like wrestling with a snake. It's the end of an era. The sound from the TQ is even better now there are a good few hours on the jumpers.
Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Southweststokie
Originally Posted by Steve J:

Ah, but as some are saying in the Hugo thread, it doesn't have the Naim signature.  

 

Enjoy.

 

Steve

Case in point 

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Southweststokie
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
I've just been boxing up the Naim leads ready to post them to their new owner. Coiling them up is like wrestling with a snake. It's the end of an era. The sound from the TQ is even better now there are a good few hours on the jumpers.

Try Sarum jumpers, expensive but amazing

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by gary yeowell

Tried Naim SL speaker cable in my system yesterday, didn't really like it particularly. Put Nac A5 back and felt happier with the sound. If SL doesn't sound right out of the box at that price i think it a poor show. Blind faith comes to mind...

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by MikeT.
Originally Posted by Naimiac:

I find in the whole of this thread (not its original formulation and purpose) some hypocrisy. Reading it through, it appears that a large number of Naim users have patiently, stoically borne the NAC A5 for years while secretly longing for an alternative, unable to express their feelings here because of a Diktat by The Faktory.

Now, at last, Sir TelluriumQ, the Knight, has come to their rescue, and everybody has finally the nerve to come out.

 

This is, frankly, bull**it. The TelluriumQ has been discussed here for years, evoking nothing much more than tolerance, and the NAC A5 has been promoted as the best possible solution here for years by some who now talk about it like if has been an unavoidable burden! I have never, in years, seen so many posts against the NAC A5 and in favor of the TelluriumQ as since the SL has been released. That is the motivating factor: and not the TQ's inherent qualities or the NACA's inherent flaws.

 

Such sudden enthusiasms - especially when their mechanisms are so obvious - are a little annoying; but I realize that my personal annoyance is nothing. I'd only wish that my fellow forum members were, at least once in a while, different from teenagers who follow their pelvic zone's guidance elaborating all sort of fake and specious concepts to justify that they're, substantially, still doing what the factory allows them to do.

 

With all due respect to those in bona fide - if any.

N

Specious nonsense. Buy a pair of TQB and relax 

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by tonym
Originally Posted by Mike-B:

I wondered about that reaction. 

I use Chord for speakers & my own made Mogami for IC's,  at the time I posted about them a few years ago it attracted a few huffy responses.  I had the same with a dealers snotty know it all trying to tell me I might as well not have a Naim system without a HiLine,  grand dad sucking eggs came to mind. 

 

........  and as a footnote,  I got the domestic goddess's approval for TQ Black a few days ago,  provided its white 

Mogami's good stuff. I've been using it for my six DIN/XLRs for a while - a real improvement on Naim's standard cables.

 

I'd try other speaker cables but the 6 runs of NACA5 run in trunking buried in the floor and I can't be bothered to change it. OK, so I'm not a dedicated audiophile...

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Southweststokie
Originally Posted by gary yeowell:

Tried Naim SL speaker cable in my system yesterday, didn't really like it particularly. Put Nac A5 back and felt happier with the sound. If SL doesn't sound right out of the box at that price i think it a poor show. Blind faith comes to mind...

Interesting comments Gary, I'm planning to do a demo in September when funds are available should I be smitten by them.

 

Ken

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by gary yeowell
Originally Posted by Southweststokie:
Originally Posted by gary yeowell:

Tried Naim SL speaker cable in my system yesterday, didn't really like it particularly. Put Nac A5 back and felt happier with the sound. If SL doesn't sound right out of the box at that price i think it a poor show. Blind faith comes to mind...

Interesting comments Gary, I'm planning to do a demo in September when funds are available should I be smitten by them.

 

Ken

Ken, it was a short trial and i'm not making any claims other than with my short time with them they sounded 'wrong'. Now i'm sure i needed to burn them in for 6 weeks, ride the rollercoaster of joy and pain to get to the final destination. Just that at the price i'd have expected Naim to have done that for me. Anyway, the truth is, even as a gift, i'd not have used them how they sounded, but am willing to accept they would get better, however i'd not part with my money on the initial trial is all.

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Chris Dolan
Originally Posted by gary yeowell:

Tried Naim SL speaker cable in my system yesterday, didn't really like it particularly. Put Nac A5 back and felt happier with the sound. If SL doesn't sound right out of the box at that price i think it a poor show. Blind faith comes to mind...

Gary - brand new or pre-run in demo cables? 

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by gary yeowell

Chris, i am guessing they have only been out of the box for a few hours at best.

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Naimiac
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
All I did was say that I had bought some out of interest, and much to my surprise I preferred it to A5. I'm not sure that's sufficient to unleash a diatribe.

Of course you did, and that was that; I wasn't referring to you, as I specified, but to how the thread had developed.

Truth is, you evidently had some pleasure in becoming sort of a trend setter - but nothing wrong with that. In case you are really interested in my argument - which I doubt - reread my post as if it wasn't about you - which is not, in fact.

Best,

N

 

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Naimiac
Originally Posted by Christopher_M:

Naimiac,

Are you free for a glass of wine, one evening after work next week?! 

 

Chris

Thanks very much, but I fear we're more far apart than it seems...

 

 

N

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by dayjay

Well that's nice and clear then 

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Naimiac
Originally Posted by MikeT.:
Originally Posted by Naimiac:

I find in the whole of this thread (not its original formulation and purpose) some hypocrisy. Reading it through, it appears that a large number of Naim users have patiently, stoically borne the NAC A5 for years while secretly longing for an alternative, unable to express their feelings here because of a Diktat by The Faktory.

Now, at last, Sir TelluriumQ, the Knight, has come to their rescue, and everybody has finally the nerve to come out.

 

This is, frankly, bull**it. The TelluriumQ has been discussed here for years, evoking nothing much more than tolerance, and the NAC A5 has been promoted as the best possible solution here for years by some who now talk about it like if has been an unavoidable burden! I have never, in years, seen so many posts against the NAC A5 and in favor of the TelluriumQ as since the SL has been released. That is the motivating factor: and not the TQ's inherent qualities or the NACA's inherent flaws.

 

Such sudden enthusiasms - especially when their mechanisms are so obvious - are a little annoying; but I realize that my personal annoyance is nothing. I'd only wish that my fellow forum members were, at least once in a while, different from teenagers who follow their pelvic zone's guidance elaborating all sort of fake and specious concepts to justify that they're, substantially, still doing what the factory allows them to do.

 

With all due respect to those in bona fide - if any.

N

Specious nonsense. Buy a pair of TQB and relax 

 

And thanks to you, for the articulated, delicate remark. You sound as if TQB was something that can be smoked...

Relax, you too..

 

N

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Hook
Originally Posted by Naimiac:
Originally Posted by Christopher_M:

Naimiac,

Are you free for a glass of wine, one evening after work next week?! 

 

Chris

Thanks very much, but I fear we're more far apart than it seems...

 

 

N

 

Naimaic -

 

Before you dismiss our dear Chris, please consider that...

 

...Cancer and Pisces are both Water Signs. Since Water is a tangible, physical entity, Cancer and Pisces are generally very compatible. Pisces are in this world to create human connections, and when they come together with Cancerian intuition and nurturing, there is no stronger bond.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Hook

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Christopher_M

^    :-)))))

 

C.

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Naimiac

Dear Hook,

 

it's very nice of you, but I fear I'm an Aquarian.. And Aquarians are black&white-ish, judgmental, absolutists and - as an old friend of mine once called us - trombonesque, if I may dare the word..

 

Best

N

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Hook
Originally Posted by gary yeowell:
Originally Posted by Southweststokie:
Originally Posted by gary yeowell:

Tried Naim SL speaker cable in my system yesterday, didn't really like it particularly. Put Nac A5 back and felt happier with the sound. If SL doesn't sound right out of the box at that price i think it a poor show. Blind faith comes to mind...

Interesting comments Gary, I'm planning to do a demo in September when funds are available should I be smitten by them.

 

Ken

Ken, it was a short trial and i'm not making any claims other than with my short time with them they sounded 'wrong'. Now i'm sure i needed to burn them in for 6 weeks, ride the rollercoaster of joy and pain to get to the final destination. Just that at the price i'd have expected Naim to have done that for me. Anyway, the truth is, even as a gift, i'd not have used them how they sounded, but am willing to accept they would get better, however i'd not part with my money on the initial trial is all.

 

Hi Gary -

 

Thanks for posting this cautionary tale. The good news is that it does seem to jive with what Peter, Graham, DB and others have said about the SL speaker cable needing extended burn-in. I too would prefer it to sound right immediately out of the box (and was pleased that's what happened with the SL DIN5), but obviously that is not the case.

 

I would not buy the SL speaker cable without an extended demo period. I think I can make do with 5M, but even then, it is still a ton of money to pay. SL will have to prove itself to be both best and final, because the only way will I can justify the spend is to amortize it over all of my remaining years!  

 

ATB.

 

Hook

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Hook
Originally Posted by Naimiac:

Dear Hook,

 

it's very nice of you, but I fear I'm an Aquarian.. And Aquarians are black&white-ish, judgmental, absolutists and - as an old friend of mine once called us - trombonesque, if I may dare the word..

 

Best

N

 

Interesting, then this chart Google found must be incorrect!

 

 

My apologies!

 

Hook

 

PS - Sorry Chris, was worth a shot... 

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Naimiac

I think that SL cables' sound quality has been designed to be more Naim's concern than their buyers'.

 

What I mean is, the typical buyer of the Statement amp is - in my opinion - more concerned with its gorgeous status than with its sound. Once ascertained that the thing is the flagship product of a celebrated and idiosyncratic brand, and that it's a thing made for a niche of few lucky people, he would buy it anyway, no matter how it sounds.

The discriminating few who write here and have bought some - Statement or SL - and have painstakingly examined and tested its performance, are a precious minority - in that they are equipped, experienced and ready to seriously judge - but are not those for whom the product has been created I believe.

 

This is why TQB - the new dope in town - is enjoying sudden and great popularity: it's better than the NAC A5 (or so they say), it's relatively cheap, and once Naim has, in a way, declassed the NAC A5 it can be bought with a serene and curious conscience..

 

Long live the SL, the TQB and Naim's unbeatable marketing cunningness!

 

N

Posted on: 05 July 2015 by Chris Dolan
Originally Posted by Naimiac:

I fear I'm an Aquarian.. And Aquarians are black&white-ish, judgmental, absolutists and - as an old friend of mine once called us - trombonesque, if I may dare the word..

Although I think it's all boll**ks, I couldn't resist this:-

 

"The Aquarius woman is the ultimate independent woman. She is funny, smart, adventurous, never clingy or jealous, never demanding and not overly emotional. She is unpredictable and craves excitement. Anything goes with this woman and any man that she chooses will have an amazing relationship."

 

….. and my mum's an Aquarian