Tellurium Q Black in da house

Absolutely! 

My guess is that Chris is gagging to buy a ticket to ride........NAH!  ATB Peter

Back to the TQ Black cable ;-)

So what's the Ultrablack then?

They come in all colours these days and apparently the European ones are slightly smaller, not great for me then!  ATB Peter

Yes well... at £250 per metre for the 'Ultra' I don't think I'll be splashing out soon ;-)

Like your little red one. I am a very happy owner of a 25.  ATB Peter

And I'm told it still isn't as good at the SL speaker cable, and I say this as a big fan an former user of Tellurium Q

Mike

Mike am I right in thinking that you had TQ Green? If so did they bring more to the party for you than the Blacks?

Really?  ATB Peter

Most definitely, Steve. I originally tried the Blacks and went for the more expensive Green.  They had greater bass weight and top-end resolution.  More recently when I acquired my SL cables my Greens went to a good friend who replaced his TQ Black and obtained very pleasing results to both his ears and mine. 

Mike  

Naimiac originally posted:

"This is why TQB - the new dope in town - is enjoying sudden and great popularity":

Whatever you think of the Tellurium Q range of products, they are hardly the "new dope" in town. The  Tellurium Q Black cables have been around for many years, and by and large, widely reviewed very positively for many years.

Interesting that quite a number of people seem to feel the need to knock those people who use them. 

Strange!

I completely understand the viewpoint of those who have tried them out and don't like them, or don't feel that they offer value for money. I just don't understand the need to berate and belittle users from a position of blissful ignorance.

No hi-fi product or range is beyond criticism - and that includes Naim, or for that matter, Linn, Chord or Tellurium Q. Those of us who like our music to sound good listen to a number of products and make our choices based on a number of factors including sound quality, cost and (relative) value for money.

Most of us who feel comfortable with the choices we have made, feel no need to evangelise for or against any particular product.    

A number of us use Tellurium Q cables because we like the way that they help our systems deliver music. Nothing more evangelical or sinister than that.

I see that it's difficult to make oneself understood if someone has decided you are saying this instead of that.

I have not berated and belittled any user - it's enough to read what I have written, but this would imply the uncomfortable exercise of attention to something or someone who's not ourselves. I have mildly mocked the general attitude of this thread to celebrate, rather suddenly (I am following this forum since years, and have been interested in alternative cabling myself), the Tellurium Q Black cable, about which I have done absolutely no direct remark - and this makes dignified replies like the preceding one rather funny to me - because I also happen to know it a little, and do not think badly of it at all...

But since I am sometimes stingy and polemical, someone has decided that I wrote against the TQB, against its users, against freedom, against whatever...

Ridiculous. I am only mocking fast aggregations of trends and enthusiasms when they are not completely or honestly motivated, not their objects; but to be aware of this one should, first of all, get rid of biases.

But why am I wasting time justifying and excusing myself: I had better - if only it could be doable, and it isn't - accepted that glass of wine.

N

Naimiac, you dont need to justify or excuse anything. Watching you fighting your way out of a wet paper bag is painful enough. The content of your posts is embarrasingly patronizing! Peter

Wow, I think I'm going to go out and buy some TQB's, all jokes aside Hungry Halibut you really got some post going on here.  Glad to see everyone for the most part is enjoying their speaker Cables. And it's a good thing to try something different, who knows it might become to your liking, hence Better!  After all if Naim can decide to do the SL's Designed for the Statement ( Mega Bucks Amp which only a fortunate few will be able to afford, why can't 500's 300's 250's give it a try.  And in the End if you like it Great!!!!  And I'm quite sure most of you are familiar with Statements from Naim, and other describing their products, but if not here are a few important ones: 

“The critical thing to keep in mind with Naim amplifiers (with the exception of some of the integrated amps) is that the electrical properties of the speaker cable (inductance and capacitance, specifically) are designed effectively as part of the amplifier circuit, thus, if these electrical properties are absent, the amplifier may become unstable.  This is why 3.5 meters as a minimum is specified, as it exhibits the minimum inductance, resistance and appropriate capacitance for the amp to operate in an ideal state.  Other manufacturers put their compensation circuits or inductors inside the amplifier, which compensates for any type of cable; but the argument then becomes, if one can design the system (ie. amp and cable) to work in a synergistic manner, thereby improving performance, why not do it?  It comes down to the amp and cable working under ideal electrical conditions -basic electrical engineering- and not surprisingly, has resulted in a combination that typically sounds better than the very expensive boutique speaker cables. “

“ During the development of Statement, our flagship amplification system, our engineers realised that they would need to design a whole new range of high-performance cables for it to reach its true potential.  

Designed to maximize the performance of Statement but equally at home in 500 Series and Classic Series systems, Super Lumina speaker cables are available with 4mm or spade connectors. “

Enjoy your Gear, and Sop beating up Naimee's !!!!!!

I'm not sure what's with all the bold and italics that people keep using - surely the reader can decide what is significant?

What Naim might have said donkey's years ago is perhaps less relevant today. They always said that the cables supplied were all the user ever needed: then we got the £500 hiline, the £500 mains wire, and now it's £1,750 for the SL din interconnect and £1,500 for the din to xlr to replace the previous £30 version made with mains cable. Is it marketing, is it all about the sound, who knows? 

I use boutique ethernet cables because they are better than bog standard wires, now I use TQ Black because they are better than A5 and the SL leads are out of my league. And when I get my new 272 I quite like the look of the DIN to XLR from Witch Hat. It's £119 against the SL's £1,500, and if I don't like it I'll send it back. 

All that aside, it was so much easier when ou just used that wires that came in the box!

Thanks,

Regards

N

Great to read so many of us Tellurium Q Black users are happy with our new cables, they are getting better all the time (burn in) so just want to say thanks to HH for bringing them to my attention. I had heard about Tellurium cables previously but always thought of them as being a bit hyped so never really gave them another thought but in hindsight they are anything but.

On a side note HH I am running the Witch Hat Din>XLR between my 272/250 I found it sounded good out of the box but after around 7 days on 24/7 (iradio) it is way better than the stock cables especially in the treble with far less smearing and sibilance in vocals, better separation and clarity across the whole frequency spectrum and more PRAT be interested to hear how you find them and as you say if you don't get on with them you can always send them back.

Happy listening guys!!! 

Nice one Rob. Sounds good. I'm looking forward to having a listen.

Enjoy.

John.

Cheers John, it will be good to catch up and by then the 250-DR should be settling in nicely too.

Just to follow up on my rather dismissive SL comments i feel i should comment a little further. Last night i re installed them between SN2 and SL2 instead of the NSats. Today this is much more like i would have expected, and very very nice with a whole new level of performance. I really think the SL cable, with its much more highly resolved sound, cleaner bass, and extended frequencies did nothing for the NSats which went a little 'hifi'. SL2 however has responded really rather well, and i think additionally overnight, the cable has settled a little.

Additional layering in the mix is very evident, and there is a calmness to proceedings that is impressive.

I've just been listening to my favourite Kraftwerk track: Radioactivity from the live Minimum / Maximum album. It's transformed from the last time I played it, when the NACA5 was in place. The sound now extended further out from the speakers and the way the layers of music fit together is clearer. It's all much more immersive, yet the drive is unaffected. I realise now how much the A5 was strangling the music. And all this with just a SuperUniti. With all the talk of Super Lumina as £300 a metre, TQ Black at £50 seems like a bargain. 

Dear Hungryhalibut, sorry for using bold letters, Remember I'm a Newbie. I'm quite sure members of the forum can read, just wanted to emphasize on key points. After all  everyone doest have an 142 IQ.

But Correct if I'm wrong wasn't Julian trying to take the speaker cable out of the equation as an afterthought!  Quotes from very informative Forum with Chris West @ AV Options tunning in:  

People spend thousands on wires with the aim of making them have no impact on the sound. As if to make them sonically vanish. Julian used his noodle and made it happen from day one of Naim amp design by integrating a well defined and inexpensive wire into the amps circuit! Neatly removing speaker wires as an sonically indeterminate after thought ... 

Yes that's right ... the integrated amps and all-in-one units are more tolerant of different spec wires than the current and legacy power amp ranges. They still don't have output inductors though, so you can't go too wild with lo inductance or high capacitance wires!

So moving on from donkey years ago, Naim has decided to design SL, Great! But designed specifically for the Statement!  

Point n Case,  Julian, Chis, and myself would expect greater improvement, or changes with speaker wire, from Integrated amps! 

And all this with just a Super Uniti!

When I get some spare Cash, I to will experiment, Enjoy! 

A local dealer has TQ Black 2x3 meters available for home demo.
Is there any minimum length required to connect to Supernait2?
(Speakers are Kudos Super20)
With my current rack position 2x2 meters would be sufficient,
in case I would change this, it could end up with 2x6 meters needed.