Best stand alone NAS for NDX

Posted by: DQ on 14 April 2011

All,

 

Having vigorously thumped my head against the twonky wall for the last few days I now feel wonky! I have to conclude that twonky and NDX are a match made in hell. Twonky is lousy  at handling tags on wav and I am having issues even getting flac to work.

 

So, I am now thinking about a different NAS and one that has enough memory and muscle to handle something like Asset UPnP. I do not want to have to run another machine to run the server.

 

Any views?

 

Cheers

Posted on: 14 April 2011 by DavidDever
UnitiServe. It works.
Posted on: 14 April 2011 by SKDriver

Somewhat sweeping statement about Twonky and the NDX.  The NDX I listened to in the store demo was fed from an Iomega NAS (£100 from PC world I think).  It worked absolutely fine.

 

That said I will be saving for an AssetNAS once I have my NDX; in the meantime I will stream from my laptop running Asset.

Posted on: 14 April 2011 by T38.45
Running ~700GB music on my Qnaps without stress, Twonky works fine for me. Using xld on MAC for ripping...



Ralf
Posted on: 14 April 2011 by Tog
Vortexbox - prebuilt or home brew or Unitiserve SSD +Synology NAS



Tog
Posted on: 14 April 2011 by Steven Shaw

Cant comment on Wav files, but I have Twonky installed on a Readynas feeding Flac files to my unitiqute with no issues whatsoever.

 

I Rip using EAC and edit tags with mp3tag editor to fill in the album artist tag.

 

I think Naim are slightly behind at least one other British manufacturer in the streaming stakes, especially in providing information for integrating 3rd party products (e.g Nas) with their streamers. I'm sure the Unitiserve is a fine product, but given most folk will have a p.c, it is much cheaper to store rips on a NAS.

 

Posted on: 14 April 2011 by garyi

Vortexbox will work and to be fair Twonky on my QNAP was fine.

Posted on: 14 April 2011 by aysil

I think David was proposing to use the UServe as the server, not as the storage, is that right. And UServe does not store the downloads.

Posted on: 14 April 2011 by DavidDever
Correct.
Posted on: 15 April 2011 by sbilotta

I'm using Qnap + twonky with my NDX and it works ok. Had to do a few "tweaks" to get the presentation of the order of the tracks right in the NDX but apart from that it works, even though I agree that there are better UPNP servers out there.

Posted on: 15 April 2011 by DQ

Thanks all for the great advice, one additional question on this

 

My ambition is to use the NDX in a second system. So all rips have been done with HDX etc and have their appropriate xml tags, has anyone found a media server that is NOT another Naim box that will "dish up" all of this information to the NDX?

 

Cheers

 

Posted on: 15 April 2011 by DQ
Originally Posted by garyi:

Vortexbox will work and to be fair Twonky on my QNAP was fine.

....if I understand right Vortexbox is not standalone, has to have a PC running, no?

Posted on: 15 April 2011 by garyi

It is of itself the PC DQ, so basically you would do away with the NAS.

 

I am not saying its the right solution, only that it is a solution.

 

For me QNAP and Twonky on the Qnap worked well, as did the itunes DAAP server on it.

Posted on: 16 April 2011 by Tog
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Originally Posted by garyi:

Vortexbox will work and to be fair Twonky on my QNAP was fine.

....if I understand right Vortexbox is not standalone, has to have a PC running, no?






Vortexbox is an implementation of Fedora 14 (Linux) that runs on Intel and AMD hardware as a media server rather than a normal PC. I have run a Sony Vaio (lid closed) as a low power headless server and it worked ridiculously well. You can build or buy Vortexbox servers running headless on an Intel powered (atom) raid array or anything you want. Think of it as a high power intelligent NAS rather than a PC.



Tog
Posted on: 17 April 2011 by lawoftrust

AssetNas here, works fine, QNAP did not do it for me as Twonky and AIFF don't like each other. 

Posted on: 17 April 2011 by Basically Sound
Generally get good results with Netgear ReadyNAS and Twonky but careful set-up of both is needed. Use dBPowerAmp for ripping FLAC and all seems to work extremely well with NDX & Uniti based systems plus DS too.



Maybe there's something else causing the problem. Have a customer whose NDX/rNAS/Twonky package seems to be held back by his router. New router to be installed when his S400's arrive.



DQ : What did your dealer suggest when you got the NDX? If they demoed the NDX in store, they must have used something, even if it was a UnitiServe or HDX. As David suggests, the Naim server options will offer the best results especially as they deal with the WAV tagging issue extremely well too. Sound quality will be worth the extra outlay too.



Tony



Posted on: 17 April 2011 by Guido Fawkes

> Have a customer whose NDX/rNAS/Twonky package seems to be held back by his router.

 

Is the router doubling up as switch/hub or is your customer's NAS on a different network from his NDX. If you connect the NDX and NAS to a switch (HP make some nice ones) then you could almost eliminate the router from the set-up. You should only need to go through the router when accessing the Internet (e.g. during ripping to get song titles). The router is also giving out IP addresses so this could be a problem especially if some addresses have been set manually.

 

I tried to use Twonky, but I found it rather awkward so gave up and use the S/PDIF for connecting to my Naim set-ups. I wonder if it is Twonky rather than the router that is causing problems. 

 

I use a Juniper router and I've also used a Cisco router both are highly reliable. 

The Juniper is much easier to work with, but both are pretty good. 

 

All the best, Guy

Posted on: 17 April 2011 by DQ

Many thanks to all for great advice,

 

1. Following Gary's advice (and a few others) I deactivated UPnP on the NAS, and am running Asset UPnP off an old laptop. That gets the basic stuff working

 

2. I am ordering an Asset NAS from ripcaster - after a fair amount of diligence I am satisfied that is the best way to go. Twonky is troublesome to say the least and will never read HDX written metadata

 

3. I appreciate the suggestions to buy a unitiserve, but that does seem like a high cost route

 

4. I really like Guy's suggestion on the switch and am going to rewire the network so my switch is handling NDX and NAS and not the router. Great thought.

 

Thanks all for great advice. This forum is a terrific place for good advice.

Posted on: 18 April 2011 by Basically Sound
Guido

Worthy train of thought and well aware of this approach as the showroom network is configured as such. In the case in question, the NDX, PC & NAS are all on the same network, but the client has reported issues with the router in the past and wishes to update his all the same.



DQ

Good luck with the changes and await your feedback. One other recommendation is fixing the IP address of the NAS (first response every time I speak to Naim re. networking queries).



Tony