Wireless genius required

Posted by: andrew jameson on 02 July 2015

I had my house refurbished last year and have finally got around to installing my system - now it transpires that the ethernet port so cleverly situated behind the system doesn't appear to have been wired in correctly (or at all ... i haven't yet taken the face plate off as stacks of Fraim in the way) - obviously i need to determine whether it's a simply a matter of a wire being loose or incorrectly terminated

 

But in anticipation of this not being easily resolved is there a solution which would enable me to have a wireless base station (wirelessly linking to broadband router) which has an ethernet port that i could then plug my HDX into? I know that i could run ethernet over the mains but having gone to the trouble of having a dedicated spur and powerlines etc. it seems like a shame to degrade the mains (i understand that this is the case)

 

If anyone has any wise ideas let me know - i'm totally non technical btw.

 

Apologies if this is a totally obvious stupid question!

Posted on: 07 July 2015 by Bart
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:
Assuming you don't have a wifi scanner, and you were getting occasional dropouts you could change the wifi Chanel on the wifi master access point (you could try 1 , 6,11, 14) to see if less dropouts occur. But to be fair 802.11g would be pushing it, better off with n or even 802.11ac if you can.

Simon

 

One can download a freeware wifi scanner and use that on your laptop or phone to find a 'free' wifi channel if you suspect interference from neighbors, cordless phones, etc.  But not all of the channels are created equally I understand . . . so designating a specific channel should be done only after reading up on all of the issues.

Posted on: 07 July 2015 by Bart
Originally Posted by JSH:

Peter's set up pretty much mirrors mine except that I do not yet have the AE.  The Qute picks up iRadio wirelessly direct from the router.  Usually it's good.  For me the flakiness is with Minim and the UpnP

I think I shall follow HH's solution.  Because of the locations, the AE will have to connect wirelessly to the BT HH5, but wiring the Qute2, NAS and the AE to the Netgear switch should improve reliability and SQ; right?

 

Thanks

 

JSH

At a minimum, a switch is needed to connect multiple devices to the single Ethernet port on the Airport Express, regardless of any desire for better reliability.  As others wrote, the Airport Express only has one Ethernet port to use to connect devices.

 

Depending on where you want to locate the nas, you could experiment with putting just the Qute2 onto the Airport Express, and site the nas back where your home router is located.  Or you could put the nas with the Qute2, and plug both into a switch which in turn is plugged into the Airport Express.  Either should work fine, but you may prefer the nas in one location vs. the other.

Posted on: 07 July 2015 by JSH

Thanks Bart

 

Any difference in SQ between the two options do you think?

Posted on: 07 July 2015 by Bart
Originally Posted by JSH:

Thanks Bart

 

Any difference in SQ between the two options do you think?

You're welcome!  If the nas is a little noisy, sound will be better with it out of the listening room  That's what I do.  I keep the whirring disks and blinking lights out of the listening room.

 

I'd expect no sound quality difference.  But if the nas and Qute are both wired to the same switch . . . that might perform better by eliminating the wifi link.  I'd start with the nas on the main router, and if I got any drop-outs which I thought might be due to the wifi, I'd move it to the Qute and see if that cured it.

Posted on: 07 July 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Originally Posted by Bart:
...  But not all of the channels are created equally I understand . . . so designating a specific channel should be done only after reading up on all of the issues.

 

Bart, yes only some channels dont overlap hence why I suggested those specific channels for 2.4Ghz. However a proper wifi scanner would show that.

Simon

 

Posted on: 08 July 2015 by HiFiman

Free WiFi scanner is built into windows 7 / 8, load a command prompt and type the following

 

netsh wlan show all

 

press enter scroll to the bottom of the list and this displays all the wifi around your premises

 

Posted on: 08 July 2015 by JSH

Thanks everyone. That's the weekend job sorted in between watching the Ashes

Posted on: 09 July 2015 by JSH

Actually two (final, I hope) questions

I shall use the AE as a repeater not bridge as I have only one network.  I have heard that repeaters halve the internet speed.  is that right?

If it is, should I run my laptop as well as my Qute2 and NAS through a switch to the (wireless) AE

Thanks

Posted on: 09 July 2015 by alan33
Hi JHS -

A repeater will halve the speed between your connected wifi devices and your internet access point, yes. It won't change your internet speed per se and if you don't have very high speed, may not be a factor.

I'm curious why you want to set things up as a repeater though. Do you have other wifi devices that have intermittent connectivity, or just your Qute?  I write about the different modes of operation in another thread...did you see that? I'm on the road and may not find it to quote here but will look.

Regards alan
Posted on: 09 July 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

JLS - it depends on the type of repeater, but I am afraid the AE will at best half the bandwidth on the WiFi SSID segment if in repeater mode.

S

Posted on: 09 July 2015 by Bart

While 'halve your speed' must be correct, at 802.11 ac speeds, such is not even noticeable. (Right??)

 

I pay for 80/80 Mbps speeds from my broadband provider, and from both my main wifi access point and my 'extend-the-network-Airport Extreme,' I get 80.

 

Maybe I'm missing some understanding?? Not sure.

Posted on: 09 July 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Bart, if you are 'just' using your wifi to access the Internet indeed the bottleneck lies most probably elsewhere. However if you are using the wifi for local LAN application them it will most likely become the bottleneck

S

Posted on: 09 July 2015 by Bart
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

Bart, if you are 'just' using your wifi to access the Internet indeed the bottleneck lies most probably elsewhere. However if you are using the wifi for local LAN application them it will most likely become the bottleneck

S

Good point -- the most intense use I make of the extended part of the network is to connect the Amazon Fire to the network.  It seems to stream from Amazon just fine at ~80.

Posted on: 11 July 2015 by JSH
Thanks for all this.  Been in Cardiff enjoying the Ashes
 
My laptop, tablets etc are all solid in their connection.  It is only the Naim which flakes out from time to time, hence thinking about some sort of "boosting".  I don't want to slow the internet connection down so I suppose I may just have to "live with it" disappointing though it is
 
 
Originally Posted by Bart:
Originally Posted by Simon-in-Suffolk:

Bart, if you are 'just' using your wifi to access the Internet indeed the bottleneck lies most probably elsewhere. However if you are using the wifi for local LAN application them it will most likely become the bottleneck

S

Good point -- the most intense use I make of the extended part of the network is to connect the Amazon Fire to the network.  It seems to stream from Amazon just fine at ~80.

 

Posted on: 11 July 2015 by alan33
Originally Posted by JSH:
Thanks for all this.  Been in Cardiff enjoying the Ashes
 
My laptop, tablets etc are all solid in their connection.  It is only the Naim which flakes out from time to time, hence thinking about some sort of "boosting".  I don't want to slow the internet connection down so I suppose I may just have to "live with it" disappointing though it is
 

Hi again JSH -

 

If it is only the Naim which flakes out, then you can use a new Airport Express as a wireless bridge, connecting it as a receiving device to your existing wifi network and then connecting your Qute to the Airport Express with a short Ethernet cable. In this mode, nothing changes except your Qute network connection goes from wireless (as you have it now) to wired (by plugging into the AE which in turn connects to your wifi). You won't have any speed loss on your wifi, nor any "boosting" of your wifi, and you won't have to live with a slower Ethernet connection either ...but you will get a more robust network connection for your Qute.

 

Really, this is much easier to do than to discuss - pop down to a shop and pick one up and write in again if it isn't obvious when you are in the configuration page. 

 

Regards, alan 

Posted on: 11 July 2015 by JSH

Hi Alan

 

Thanks for your patience.  With Aussies in their box for the moment, down to PC World tomorrow to give it a go

 

JSH

Posted on: 11 July 2015 by Bart

And any speed loss, merely applied to the Naim App's ability to control the Naim player, is meaningless.  It will be plenty fast for that I predict!!!

Posted on: 13 July 2015 by JSH

Set up bridge tonight , and all working now.  I think the SQ is a little better; it's certainly very firm in connection through the Qute2, so thanks to Alan and everyone for their help and patience

Not without issues though.  I thought I'd plug my laptop in to see what speed I got.  All I got was a message "the page can't re-direct" in Firefox.  Went back to wireless and worked again.  odd, so a setting somewhere.

One other question; if I connected my Nas to the bridge where would it show up in Minim?  Would it show at all?

 

Thanks

 

JSH

Posted on: 13 July 2015 by Bart

I should not matter whether you connect the nas to the switch or to your router with respect to how it shows up on your network.

Posted on: 21 July 2015 by JSH

Final note to close thread.

Thanks to everyone for all the help.  Airport Express working superbly for a week, rock solid, better SQ and 24/192 files now stream perfectly.

So, many thanks again to all

 

JSH

Posted on: 21 July 2015 by alan33

Sweet, JSH, great news. Keep us posted. And try out AirPlay and let me know if that works. For me, I have now had a couple of times when it took two tries to launch but then was faultless. Glad you're sortrd nicely. 

 

Regards alan

Posted on: 22 July 2015 by Phil Harris
Originally Posted by JSH:

Actually two (final, I hope) questions

I shall use the AE as a repeater not bridge as I have only one network.  I have heard that repeaters halve the internet speed.  is that right?

If it is, should I run my laptop as well as my Qute2 and NAS through a switch to the (wireless) AE

Thanks

 

Hi,

 

As SIS has said, using a repeater *AT BEST* halves your WiFi speed.

 

The reality is that it will take a much bigger swipe at it as packet transmit collisions increase massively.

 

Phil

Posted on: 24 July 2015 by JSH
Thanks Phil.  I've taken that on board and am using AE as a bridge
 
JSH
 
Originally Posted by Phil Harris:
Originally Posted by JSH:

Actually two (final, I hope) questions

I shall use the AE as a repeater not bridge as I have only one network.  I have heard that repeaters halve the internet speed.  is that right?

If it is, should I run my laptop as well as my Qute2 and NAS through a switch to the (wireless) AE

Thanks

 

Hi,

 

As SIS has said, using a repeater *AT BEST* halves your WiFi speed.

 

The reality is that it will take a much bigger swipe at it as packet transmit collisions increase massively.

 

Phil