Upgrading Unitis to receive BBC HD HLS streams.

Posted by: Michael Chare on 07 July 2015

I have an early Naim Uniti bought around Sept 2009 and a UnitQute bought about 14 months later. Neither of them will play 24/192 files.

 

What are my upgrade options and likely costs if I want to play the BBC HLS 320kbps files?

 

At the moment these units can still use the old BBC Radio 3 HD stream. I think the BBC plan to stop these when the Proms have finished.

 

I also have the Minimserver Radio transcoder running on my Synology NAS.

Posted on: 07 July 2015 by Mike-B

The units do not need 24/192 to play the new BBC HLS service

(....... the HD stream is 48kHz 339kbs  BTW).  

 

I think all you need to do is upgrade the firmware to 4.3,  this is available for NaimUniti & UnitiQute,  Go to the Naim product page to download the instructions, USB driver software & the Naim 4.3 firmware.    (Check that you might need to load 3.22 first if you have an old firmware rev).  

You will need a USB cable & an ethernet to go from PC to Naim (or alt, ethernet into router)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...AAdl7WYD&index=1

Posted on: 07 July 2015 by Michael Chare

Unfortunately that is not the way I understand this:

 

https://www.naimaudio.com/news...m-streaming-products

 

Could be some sort of memory limitation.

Posted on: 07 July 2015 by hungryhalibut

Yes, it clearly states that to get HLS, the earlier units need to be 24bit compatible. 

Posted on: 07 July 2015 by Mike-B

OK I am sorry I've led you down a goat trail 

Posted on: 07 July 2015 by ChrisSU

Just when you think the BBC has got its iRadio sorted, they are now talking about another new format called MPEG DASH, to be introduced soon. I'm not sure I like the sound of it, but I'd guess it might have better compatibility than the HLS streams that have just arrived.

Posted on: 07 July 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Chris, I understand it has always the plan to migrate ultimately to MPEG-DASH, the standardised streaming transport format. HDS and HLS are proprietry streaming transport methods from Adobe and Apple respectively, although Apple have submitted an early draft of HLS for standardinaction consideration.

However HDS uses the MPEG2 transport service protocol, and HLS uses the MPEG layer4 protocols.. I understand that MPEG-DASH will aim to incorporate both into a single standard. I also understand that MPEG-DASH will allow the standardisaction of live and on-demand transports..

So MPEG-DASH should be backwards compatible with HDS and HLS, but I suspect this will not be as straightforward as this.

At least our codecs should not be affected and we should be able to carry on using MP3 and AAC as we are used to, just wrapped up in different transports.

Simon

 

Posted on: 08 July 2015 by ChrisSU
Simon, at the risk of sounding like I know what I'm talking about, my understanding is that MPEG DASH can in some way vary the bit rate of a stream to suit your available bandwidth. I can see why this might seem like a good idea, but I'm not sure if it bodes well for anyone who wants to prioritise sound quality.
Posted on: 08 July 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Chris, both HDS and HLS do this as well. The adaptive bit is a little bit misleading... from my understanding it works with the server or headend optionally  providing multiple media transports sessions with different bandwidths, the addresses/ports where these different bit rate transport sessions can be provided from is given in the overall stream header. This allows the receiver to switch to a different bandwidth media as it needs. The transport streams themselves are split up into segments of a few seconds and so the receiver can switch as appropriate with minimal disruption. I understand that this technique can also be used for switching between different variants or sub channels within the stream. I could envisage a stream containing a lossy or lossless media could be possible, and the receiver could chose. I think the options are numerous. Remember it is always the receiver that controls this as far as I can see. It's quite interesting technology and far more flexible than the traditional fixed file or RTCP transfer.

Simon

 

Posted on: 08 July 2015 by ChrisSU
Thanks Simon, I guess it will all come down to the implementation, as ever.