MH370 - Well who expected this?

Posted by: winkyincanada on 29 July 2015

http://www.smh.com.au/world/my...20150729-gindj0.html

 

I'm still fairly certain they won't find the wreck, though.

Posted on: 10 August 2015 by winkyincanada

 

OK, what I don't understand about this map is how the 0-6 months potential debris area doesn't include the current search area. What am I missing? Anyone care to explain? Surely at 0 months (time of the crash) the most likely area for debris is the crash location itself.

Posted on: 12 August 2015 by Mike-B

A press report today says one of the Australian survey ships has images that they consider to be possible MH370 wreckage.

The images are categorised as either 1, 2 or 3 debris, with 3 being the most likely to be aircraft debris. They show two box-like images & five long but very thin objects on the sea-bed.

Posted on: 12 August 2015 by winkyincanada

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...BER-bad-weather.html

 

Or they could be shipping containers....

 

But I'll leave that to the experts.

 

 

I don't know what to make of this. Strange alignment? What of the smaller streaks below and to the left. Are these things trails from debris impacting the sea floor at an angle. I can't imagine they are actual objects. Why would they line up like that?

 

Those Fugro guys are world-class, though. I have dealt with them through my line of work. If I wanted anyone working on this, it would be them. But I am still sure that they won't find it.

Posted on: 12 August 2015 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:

Or they could be shipping containers....

 

The proportions are about right for air containers

................   the weather & sea state at this time of year make it next to impossible to continue meaningful searches so I don't expect much more on this for a while. 

 

 

Posted on: 12 August 2015 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Mike-B:
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:

Or they could be shipping containers....

 

The proportions are about right for air containers

................   the weather & sea state at this time of year make it next to impossble to continue meaningful searches

 

 

That's a good point. They'd be relatively light and might float to the bottom differently, hence why they are by themselves.

Posted on: 12 August 2015 by Don Atkinson
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:

 

OK, what I don't understand about this map is how the 0-6 months potential debris area doesn't include the current search area. What am I missing? Anyone care to explain? Surely at 0 months (time of the crash) the most likely area for debris is the crash location itself.

Same here winky. Doesn't seem logical.

 

The diagram suggests the west coast of Tasmania might be worth looking at as well as Reunion !

 

And why has nothing been seen along the south coast of Australia, despite its being virtually uninhabited ?

 

I think Hook's diagram of ocean currents might be a better model.

Posted on: 12 August 2015 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Originally Posted by Mike-B:
Originally Posted by winkyincanada

 

That's a good point. They'd be relatively light and might float to the bottom differently, hence why they are by themselves.

 

I also suspect that if the plane impacted the ocean at a steep angle & high speed, the airframe would be pretty much smashed into many parts & all but the heavy parts like engines would separate & spread over a wide area with such ocean depths.

 

Also in the press release there is a different oceanic drift video that does not show much if any drift towards Australia.

Posted on: 30 August 2015 by winkyincanada

http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh...20150831-gjbcmb.html

 

Another potential twist....

Posted on: 30 August 2015 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:

Another potential twist !!!   .........  my barnacle encrusted arse !!!

This is more like a journalist bigging up a story to get some word count dollars.

Barnacle species are spread all over   but as BigH47  said "....  just how many B777 flaperons,with Malaysian Airlines paint on,  are there lost in the Indian ocean?" 

Posted on: 31 August 2015 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Mike-B:
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:

Another potential twist !!!   .........  my barnacle encrusted arse !!!

This is more like a journalist bigging up a story to get some word count dollars.

Barnacle species are spread all over   but as BigH47  said "....  just how many B777 flaperons,with Malaysian Airlines paint on,  are there lost in the Indian ocean?" 

Yeah, I agree. I was kidding. Thought it was obvious. I'm no conspiracy theorist.

Posted on: 03 September 2015 by Mike-B

BBC Asia News released today 

Prosecutors in Paris, who had until now been more cautious on the provenance of the debris, said a technician from Airbus Defense and Space (ADS-SAU) in Spain, which had made the part for Boeing, had formally identified one of three numbers found on the flaperon as being from MH370.

Posted on: 03 September 2015 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Mike-B:

BBC Asia News released today 

Prosecutors in Paris, who had until now been more cautious on the provenance of the debris, said a technician from Airbus Defense and Space (ADS-SAU) in Spain, which had made the part for Boeing, had formally identified one of three numbers found on the flaperon as being from MH370.

Yes, but who put there?

 

Also, I've seen absolutely no evidence (and I mean zero) to suggest that the technician who matched the numbers wasn't bribed to falsify the conclusions of his report. Nor have I seen any evidence whatsoever that the database of serial numbers wasn't tampered with by the CIA. Until someone presents me with that sort of conclusive evidence, my mind is staying open.

 

Follow the money. Just who would benefit from diverting a fully loaded plane to a remote airstrip. I think the answer is obvious.

Posted on: 03 September 2015 by winkyincanada

http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh...20150903-gjesjl.html

 

Yes, well they would say that, wouldn't they?

Posted on: 03 September 2015 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Also, I've seen absolutely no evidence (and I mean zero) to suggest that the technician who matched the numbers wasn't bribed to falsify the conclusions of his report. Nor have I seen any evidence whatsoever that the database of serial numbers wasn't tampered with by the CIA.

Winky,  I think you've lost the plot !!!

If I see any new credible news I will post it here for the benefit of other readers,  but I am not getting involved with debating that kind of thing.

Posted on: 03 September 2015 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Mike-B:
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Also, I've seen absolutely no evidence (and I mean zero) to suggest that the technician who matched the numbers wasn't bribed to falsify the conclusions of his report. Nor have I seen any evidence whatsoever that the database of serial numbers wasn't tampered with by the CIA.

Winky,  I think you've lost the plot !!!

If I see any new credible news I will post it here for the benefit of other readers,  but I am not getting involved with debating that kind of thing.

I see your response is refuse to engage in the debate. Just as the officials haven't responded to allegations that the plane is now dismantled and being reprocessed at Area 51, and that the alien remains of the flight crew have resisted all efforts to conduct an effective post mortem. I find it stunning that the White House has completely failed to provide evidence to the contrary or otherwise refute these allegations.

 

And why would only 1 of the 3 numbers on the flaperon match MH370? Just what is going on here? I want answers! I think it is a cover up larger than 911.

 

OK, OK, I give up. I was attempting some satire in an obscure response to another forum member, who on another thread, is seeing conspiracies around some other things. I don't sense that his post are at all satirical, and I find his view is deeply offensive and potentially racist, so I've put him on my blocked list. I don't wish to engage with him.

 

On a more serious note, and back to topic: They're not going to find this plane, are they?

Posted on: 03 September 2015 by Don Atkinson

Well winky, when I read your initial response to Mike's post, I could see that you were jesting. But the jest was so subtle that many people could justifiable claim that you weren't actually jesting. Even your subsequent posts are entirely a blatant jest.

 

I think we all got your point of view some month back. You don't think they will find this plane. You don't consider the effort to find it is worthwhile. You think it would be wiser to re-allocate the search resources to other, more immediately productive tasks, or at least allocate the funding to other purposes.

 

Not everybody agrees with your point (s)of view.

 

 

Posted on: 03 September 2015 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
I see your response is refuse to engage in the debate.

Confirmed -  I will not engage in speculative theories.

Jest or no jest - I don't jest over such losses - 239 people have lost there lives,  an airplane has disappeared from a planet that is swamped with radar radio & communiations.

Why (we will most likely never know) - but where those people & the plane finally lie, we will know some time in the future.  In the meantime I will not engage in speculative (mostly looney) theories.

Posted on: 03 September 2015 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by Mike-B:
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
I see your response is refuse to engage in the debate.

Confirmed -  I will not engage in speculative theories.

Jest or no jest - I don't jest over such losses - 239 people have lost there lives,  an airplane has disappeared from a planet that is swamped with radar radio & communiations.

Why (we will most likely never know) - but where those people & the plane finally lie, we will know some time in the future.  In the meantime I will not engage in speculative (mostly looney) theories.

Well of course they're looney theories. The plane is lost in the Indian Ocean. It will never be found (OK, perhaps accidentally, and far in the future, but not by this search at least). The tragedy is that some of the relatives and friends of the victims will continue to find the lack of confirmation difficult to accept and will see conspiracies under every rock. There will be no peace for them.