Unitiqute 2 and B&W 683 S2

Posted by: Tetragrammaton on 03 August 2015

Good day to you, kind Ladies and Gentlemen.

 

I will be the proud owner of a Unitiqute 2 & B&W 683's in a couple of days and would like to know if the pairing will work or if an upgrade, adding a Nap 100 or some such amp is preferable . . .

 

. . . Also would I be better off cancelling the Unitiqute and just spanking the credit card and getting a Superuniti or Uniti-lite as if I'm to spend mohoney on an amp to improve the Qute why not just get a better streamer, or will the Qute do the job?

 

These and many, many more questions need to be answered.

 

By the way, I do not own a single CD, not one, not even a Justin Bieber, greatest hits one

 

Thanks in advance for any response.

 

 

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by Huge

I don't KNOW for that particular pairing, but from the specs of the speakers (8Ω nominal, 3Ω minimum and a complex drive arrangement), I strongly suggest that the UnitiQute 2 will struggle badly with those speakers and an SU would be needed to drive them well (a Uniti 2 may do OK).

 

Who on earth suggested that particular combination, and why have you bought it without listening to it first?

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by Tetragrammaton

I auditioned the Qute with a pair of B&W standmounted speakers and went away to ponder.

Upon calling a Hifi seller I mentioned that I listen to bass orientated music and suggested the B&W 683's as a possible pairing and was told that it would work. Now that I'm wiser and know about this forum I suspect I may need to re-evaluate or add an amp.

 

 

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by mharttpalmer

I used to have a pair of 805s, which, when I bought the UnitiQute, didn't work well at all.  I replaced them with a pair of Kef LS50s, which are fantastic and well suited to the 'Qute.

 

I've just added a NAP100 last Friday, and the difference in sound is immediate - well worth the outlay.

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by Tetragrammaton
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:

Thanks guys, I guess I need to add an amp or get a beefier streamer.

If I add a Nap 100 to the setup, am I sure to be in with a chance of pissing my neighbours off?

. . . oh, and getting a nice sound from the setup?

 

 

 

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by Huge
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:

I auditioned the Qute with a pair of B&W standmounted speakers and went away to ponder.

Upon calling a Hifi seller I mentioned that I listen to bass orientated music and suggested the B&W 683's as a possible pairing and was told that it would work. Now that I'm wiser and know about this forum I suspect I may need to re-evaluate or add an amp.

 

 

Stand mount 2 way speakers are, electrically speaking, a very different proposition to a 3 way floor stander.  It will work in the sense that the Qute won't blow up, but the sound is likely to be compromised in a number of ways (some predictable, some unpredictable).

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by Tetragrammaton
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:

Thank you for responding.

I shall be carrying out some further investigations, regarding amplification and will let you know how I get on.

 

Many thanks.

 

 

Posted on: 03 August 2015 by Fernando Pereira
Originally Posted by mharttpalmer:

I used to have a pair of 805s, which, when I bought the UnitiQute, didn't work well at all.  I replaced them with a pair of Kef LS50s, which are fantastic and well suited to the 'Qute.

 

I've just added a NAP100 last Friday, and the difference in sound is immediate - well worth the outlay.

I'm curious, you added a NAP100 between the 'Qute's preamp output and the LS50s? What are the most significant differences in sound?

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by mharttpalmer
Originally Posted by Fernando Pereira:
Originally Posted by mharttpalmer:

I used to have a pair of 805s, which, when I bought the UnitiQute, didn't work well at all.  I replaced them with a pair of Kef LS50s, which are fantastic and well suited to the 'Qute.

 

I've just added a NAP100 last Friday, and the difference in sound is immediate - well worth the outlay.

I'm curious, you added a NAP100 between the 'Qute's preamp output and the LS50s? What are the most significant differences in sound?

That's right.  I'd say the addition has 'opened up' the sound - more definition, better separation, less 'confusion' and a more natural sound.

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by Tetragrammaton

I have managed to buy a cheap Nap 100 to add to the B&W's and Qute and will be setting it up today.

 

After listening to the Qute on its own with the 683's and then with the Nap 100, my initial thoughts were that it sounded different and not necessarily better . . .

 

 . . . I will set it all up today in my own home as opposed to listening to it in a shop and have a play around and feed back my findings.

 

 

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by ChrisSU
Others have posted here that they preferred the Qute on its own, or that the 100 took away some of it's 'boogie factor'. Given what you've said about your listening preferences, I would consider a Superuniti, the extra clout in it's power amp might be just what you're looking for. A good used one might not cost too much more than a Qute/100.
Posted on: 04 August 2015 by hafler3o
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:

... my initial thoughts were that it sounded different and not necessarily better . . .

Snap! NAP100 sold and money went towards another Qute ...

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by Huge

My thought is that to drive the 683s properly, you'd be looking at an SU, SN2 or a NAP200.

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by DC71

I listened to the 683's on the end of my qute 2/NAP100 at a dealer when I was looking for speakers. I really liked the combination, it was one of the better matches for me, but I didn't try it with the qute by itself.

 

The NAP100 is perfectly capable of driving the 683. But as always, the best advice has to be for you to listen for yourself to see if the combo suits you.

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by Tetragrammaton
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:

I have just this minute set up the Qute and Nap100 . . . and it seems to be ok, very ok.

 

How loud can I crank up the dial without damaging things?

 

 

 

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by Bart
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:

I have just this minute set up the Qute and Nap100 . . . and it seems to be ok, very ok.

 

How loud can I crank up the dial without damaging things?

 

 

 

That's not MY approach.  But then some buy a new car, drive it out of the dealer, and then proceed to figure out how fast they can drive it before it leaves the road.

 

The usual answer is, "5 mph slower than that."

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by hungryhalibut
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:

I have just this minute set up the Qute and Nap100 . . . and it seems to be ok, very ok.

 

How loud can I crank up the dial without damaging things?

 

 

 

If you reply in the white space below the grey box, it will be clearer for everyone to see what is going on. 

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by Tetragrammaton
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:

I have just this minute set up the Qute and Nap100 . . . and it seems to be ok, very ok.

 

How loud can I crank up the dial without damaging things?

 

 

 

If you reply in the white space below the grey box, it will be clearer for everyone to see what is going on. 

It's a stereo, it plays music!

No one listens to rock music quietly!

 

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by hafler3o
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:

 

How loud can I crank up the dial without damaging things?

 

 

 

I have the max volume set at 60 for SU and the bare Qutes. Speakers 90dB efficient. Max volume can easily damage a tweeter. Respect your ears, if you want loud buy some Klipsch floorstanders, they're good for a party.

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by Tetragrammaton
Originally Posted by hafler3o:
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:

 

How loud can I crank up the dial without damaging things?

 

 

 

I have the max volume set at 60 for SU and the bare Qutes. Speakers 90dB efficient. Max volume can easily damage a tweeter. Respect your ears, if you want loud buy some Klipsch floorstanders, they're good for a party.

Thanks

I've not gone much beyond 50 . . . Yet!  

The system seems loud enough for this late hour anyhow.

 

Just wanted know what level one should not go beyond to avoid damage; not too worried about my ears as can easily replace them but where would I get new B&W's this late In the night?

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by dayjay

The Nap100 will go pretty loud into the right speakers before the sound starts to harden up, once it does don't turn it any louder.  Depends how sensitive your speakers are and how large your room is really

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by hungryhalibut

The thing is, if you play a little amp into big speakers you are much more likely to destroy the speakers as a result of clipping, whereas playing a big amp into small speakers is unlikely to cause damage. I fear that your speakers are too much for the little 100, good though it is. I could play rock music at earsplitting volume with my SU and it would stay clean and controlled. The 100 will not be able to do this. 

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by Tetragrammaton
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

The thing is, if you play a little amp into big speakers you are much more likely to destroy the speakers as a result of clipping, whereas playing a big amp into small speakers is unlikely to cause damage. I fear that your speakers are too much for the little 100, good though it is. I could play rock music at earsplitting volume with my SU and it would stay clean and controlled. The 100 will not be able to do this. 

Superuniti, it will be mine, oh yes, it will be mine.

I'm just giving my bank card a rest.

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by Tetragrammaton
Originally Posted by Tetragrammaton:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

The thing is, if you play a little amp into big speakers you are much more likely to destroy the speakers as a result of clipping, whereas playing a big amp into small speakers is unlikely to cause damage. I fear that your speakers are too much for the little 100, good though it is. I could play rock music at earsplitting volume with my SU and it would stay clean and controlled. The 100 will not be able to do this. 

Superuniti, it will be mine, oh yes, it will be mine.

I'm just giving my bank card a rest.

The Qute/100 combo seems to be working well at the moment.

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by dayjay
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

The thing is, if you play a little amp into big speakers you are much more likely to destroy the speakers as a result of clipping, whereas playing a big amp into small speakers is unlikely to cause damage. I fear that your speakers are too much for the little 100, good though it is. I could play rock music at earsplitting volume with my SU and it would stay clean and controlled. The 100 will not be able to do this. 

Very true, its not power that damages speakers.  I ran my little NAP100 into Guru Juniors and it drove them very well and to high levels - it struggled with my Focals, and the bare Qute struggled even more. My SN2 will still be going when you've decided that the volume is far too loud and it keeps everything clean and under control whilst it does it. 

Posted on: 04 August 2015 by Fernando Pereira
Originally Posted by mharttpalmer:

I'm curious, you added a NAP100 between the 'Qute's preamp output and the LS50s? What are the most significant differences in sound?

That's right.  I'd say the addition has 'opened up' the sound - more definition, better separation, less 'confusion' and a more natural sound.

Thanks, that's useful.