Have you hit US or HDX SSD version maximum capacity?

1284 albums all indexed here on my US HDD. With room to spare.

Edit : oops, sorry, I see you specified SSD. Surely though it's the same indexing software for both versions?

Roger, i am currently at over 10,000 on my HDX. Only a couple of hundred on the HDX itself, and the main are on an 18Tb NAS.

18 TB nas, blimey you've got a lot of music!

Still only listen to one album at a time.

Should say that all jusic ripped with HDX and is generally in WAV and FLAC, with all data and art work.

Must admit i sometimes like using the n serve app as a random jukebox. Just lick the finger nd see where it lands !

Thanks Jan-Erik.  It's the space rather than the software that's worrying me, and more specifically the space the album art cache takes.   My HDX has an 8gb SSD, but I note current ones are blessed with 16gb SSD's.

MY HDX has just taken 13 hours to rescan the music store which is out on a gigabit LAN on a Netgear Duo2 NAS, connected by a dedicated commercial gigabit switch and contains 1,520 albums !

Given the additional shares I've still got to scan to rebuild the album art cache, I should be back playing music about this time next week 

I'm thinking the low rate of scanning is down to a lack of 'disk' space (SSD space)... I've been trying to apply my 40 years IT experience to figure the reason it's taking so long... and so far I'm failing.

Thanks for your answers folk - appreciated. 

Thanks CBR - so yours is not the SSD model, so you're not constrained for space for the system to build & maintain your album art cache & index.   This is the way I'm leaning right now - ditch the SSD and go with an internal HDD model.  I don't have your volume of albums (yet), but I'm getting pretty close and now have problems rescanning offline shares.

Your reply gives me hope and confidence to make changes 

Roger,

Not sure what you mean by rescanning offline shares. If they are offline, why rescan them?

One niggle i have is when i rip new music. Sometimes (but not always) it can take a long time for the sync music library function to happen, and show the newly ripped album, but i suspect this is a network issue and not a HDX one?

I meant remote, as in network shares located on a NAS, not offline, sorry. 

Your terminology has me confused here, what is an 8 or 16 gig ssd?

in terms of how quickly it scans, that will be down to a number of factors and with 40 years in IT, I guess you will know chief among them is the speed/reliability of the network, the processor/ram of the client and the capability of the serving/receiving software.

I assume you do not use an ISP supplied router, so assume that your network is good, its between whats serving and whats receiving!

Sorry to confuse, garyi.   Curent 'SSD' Naim servers have SSD drives with 16 gigabytes data capacity (AFAIK), whereas previous models used 8 gigabyte capacity SSD drives.  Although no music files reside on the SSD drive, all the indexes & caches live there, so maintenance of them will be affected by the size of the SSD drive they reside on  (again, old disk rules of thumb... the fuller your disk (after a point), the slower it will perform read/write tasks).

And as you also rightly remind me, factors like network speed, processor speed and the way the application program is written all affect the outcome.  Of these, I'm placing my trust in software release 1.7b ;  I have no control (or even knowledge) of the processor ; and I've done my best to optimise the network.  Unfortunately SKY is my ISP and they won't give you the network logon details for love nor money, so you can only use a SKY router.  To counter this, I have a Belkin 'commercial grade' switch that serves the NAS, HDX & NDS and connects to the router too, of course.  Oh, and I'm using Chord network cables - longest is 3m.

But if you've got any other useful tips, I'm all ears - I might have been in IT 40 odd years, but none of that time was as a network specialist, so I'm always up for learning stuff.

Roger  

AFAIK the current SSDs are 32GB in size, using single-layer-cell (SLC) technology, though it's very well possible that they were once smaller....

Roger,

I wonder whether theres a way of setting up the nas stores so that the HDX does not have to rescan them, and only scans a certain store / share that you use for the new rips. 

Im thinking that all the existing stuff once scanned, indexed, etc might be considered a fixed item and not need re scanning?

The new share for new rips wound then be a small affair and quick to re scan?

Not sure if this is possibe but would be nice if it could be done

Yes Cbr, you can set the scan of 'scannable network shares' to manual rather than automatic.  I had had them on manual for a long while, but then it seemed sensible to revert to automatic (Not sue what my reasoning was at the time).  But you don't have any control over the music store(s) though, whether onboard the server or on a NAS.

It must be a struggle to find ssds thats small I am very surprised at that. 

Thanks Dave. So an upgrade to current (32gig) spec could have been an option.   I did consider changing over to a 2TB HDD in place of the SSD, but just couldn't face being without a serious music source for a few weeks while the HDX went on holiday to Salisbury, especially as my dealer had the NS01 in stock. (in fact he has several of them in stock right now... or is this advertising ?)

 It wasn't that long ago they were measured in megabytes, not gigabytes, and they were very expensive too...  I think SSDs are the exception to Moore's (?) law that says storage capacity doubles every two years.   I see there are 2 terabyte SSD's on the big A (river) store.. unheard of a couple of years ago.

Seriously, it makes me relieved to be out of the IT game.. it was hard enough keeping up when punched cards went from 80 column to 96 column, and then when mainframe memory sizes hit 64 K, well, I remember wondering, wtf would you use all that memory for?   ...and here's Cbr with 18 terrabytes of disk.  (how does he back that lot up I'm thinking?)  

I'm going to lie down in a dark room while my new NS01 gets on with indexing seven and a half thousand albums. 

NS01 is a very capable machine, does this replace a US?

You're absolutely right garyi, very capable.  It replaces my HDX SSD which seemed to be struggling with the task of indexing & providing album art to more than 7,500 albums.  Problems started when I added the last 1200 albums this week which were previously stored on another ripping device.

Other people have replaced US's with NS01's - the NS01 price being less than the HDX, corresponding to a lesser feature list. But for users of a US, the NS01 is a good alternative, especially if you've experienced problems with your US and have decided to change it for something you hope will bring higher reliability.   And that's what I hear (that's hear, not know) some dealers are suggesting to customers.  I personally have experienced a problematic US in the past.  But as I say, this NS01 replaces my HDX SSD which will be appearing shortly on THAT auction site.

I have an NS01 which replaced troublesome US's. I know my dealer now prefers the NS01. What capacity do you have to accommodate 7,500 albums?

The 7,500 albums are a mix of various formats, including some MP3s, four hundred(ish) 24bit hidef and some WAV, WMA and a lot of FLAC (in CD quality) and about 2,500 albums ripped on this server. 

This is a new 2TB NAS01, but coming from an SSD device, all these albums are stored on a 3 terabyte Netgear NAS & take up about 75% of it.   So the quick answer to your question is 2.25 terabytes with a mix of about 50% MP3.  My intention is to spread my music over the NS01 & the NAS.

Out of interest, it's all backed up to a second NAS drive housed out in the garage.

If you're thinking of going there Clive, talk to Cbr600 (see above) about large capacity NAS drives - he seems to have it taped   (but I'd still like to know what he does about backup).

Roger

Thanks, Roger. Fortunately, or unfortunately, I don't need quite so much space (yet). So I just use the 2TB of the NS01, which does it's own back-up. That said, I've also scheduled monthly back-up to a Western Digital NAS drive and I also use a USB drive to back-up again When I get round to it.

Funnily though I've become a bit disillusioned with the streaming scene, largely driven by the complex update process, but also because vinyl sounds more musical to my ears at least. 

Hi Roger. Off line for a day so didnt see your update to the thread.

I actually have 2 NAS drives. The original is a 12Tb unit with 6 x 2Tb drives. This is the main unit online and is set up with RAID 5. The music takes up around 9tb of the drive.

To be sure i have capacity and protection, i bought an 18Tb verion of same drive around 18 months ago. Set up in same format, and large one used to copy and back up the smaller one, and is stored elsewhere.

Some might think its overkill, but when you think about 10,000 albums, their value and the lifelong work to get there, its important to me.

Paul

I know what you mean, Clive. I've just replaced my 1998 LP12 with a new Klimax LP12 - vinyl... just does it 

However the convenience of having your entire music collection on hand at the touch of an ipad screen cannot be dismissed !

 I agree totally, Cbr, when you've worked in a retail environment with all the European Virgin Megastores on line to a central server... you kind of focus on the importance of backup and disaster recovery, especially data recovery.  So I too now apply my previous experience to my music collection.   Out of interest what NAS device(s) are you using ?