I've decided to rewire my house

Posted by: Sneaky SNAIC on 16 September 2015

My house is 35 years old, and the wiring is bad.  I want a new circuit for my hifi.

 

I helped my dad to a rewire when I was a kid...its just a lot of crawling around in the attic and running wire.  Once I determine the runs, and breakers I need, etc...do some research.  Shouldn't be that bad if I go slow and do one at a time.

 

Also need some tools to push the wires through the house, but I can do basic wiring so this shouldn't be trying to design a space capsule or anything.

 

Prolly will take longer, but be $10,000 cheaper.

Posted on: 16 September 2015 by Steve J

Get a qualified electrician unless you want to burn your house down. 

Posted on: 16 September 2015 by hungryhalibut

It's not legal to do this stuff unless you are qualified, at least in the UK. When I had my spur done, it involved cutting the meter tails while the power was still on. It is most definitely something for the expert, unless you are really, really, foolhardy and/or stupid.

Posted on: 16 September 2015 by Timbo39
If you follow the latest regulations carefully, and have your wiring professionally checked and certified before switching over, go for it. Find a friendly electrician who gets you want to save cost, but want it right and safe, and they will support you for a low cost. I agree though - don't just do it and hope for the best, your insurance will be invalid and your life at risk!
Posted on: 16 September 2015 by Minh Nguyen
Originally Posted by Timbo39:
If you follow the latest regulations carefully, and have your wiring professionally checked and certified before switching over, go for it. Find a friendly electrician who gets you want to save cost, but want it right and safe, and they will support you for a low cost. I agree though - don't just do it and hope for the best, your insurance will be invalid and your life at risk!

+1

Posted on: 16 September 2015 by Sneaky SNAIC

Yeah I'm not standing in front of the house wearing a wife-beater, holding a beer and a bale of electrical wiring.

 

I may just do the RUNS, and let the electrician unhook/hook at the panel--while also probably replacing the panel.  I can also do the jacks at the walls.

 

The trick is getting the wire fished down to the original boxes.

 

Also this I just the beginning of the idea, I may take 3-6 months to do this...got a lot of reading to do first.

Posted on: 16 September 2015 by Huge
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

It's not legal to do this stuff unless you are qualified, at least in the UK. When I had my spur done, it involved cutting the meter tails while the power was still on. It is most definitely something for the expert, unless you are really, really, foolhardy and/or stupid.

+1.

 

In the UK, to alter a ring main in any way (and many other changes, however unfused spurs are still fair game for unqualified installers though) you either need 'Part P' qualification or need to notify 'Building Control' department of your local authority.

 

The strong recommendation is still to use a qualified electrician or the red tape gets very heavy and very entangled.

Posted on: 16 September 2015 by Richard Dane

Ok...  this is now a padded cell topic.

 

The usual warnings apply.  If thinking about re-wiring your home always use a qualified and accredited electrician who is conversant with the current relevant code for your area.

Posted on: 16 September 2015 by Sneaky SNAIC

We live in the US, not the UK.  We don't need a 27B stroke 6...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B61_5sRoBI

 

Posted on: 16 September 2015 by Sneaky SNAIC
Originally Posted by Richard Dane:

Ok...  this is now a padded cell topic.

 

The usual warnings apply.  If thinking about re-wiring your home always use a qualified and accredited electrician who is conversant with the current relevant code for your area.

Absolutely...I'm not asking for advice of any kind here...just saying I'm planning on it.  Perhaps others have had their house rewired...(with the proper professional help)...could be a good hifi topic.

Posted on: 16 September 2015 by Richard Dane

SS,

 

it's not a very good topic because this is a global forum.  Electrical code and requirements are so very different in different parts of the world - advice given in good faith for one country may well be non-compliant with local code or even dangerous.  As such, I strongly advise members against pursuing such threads and I moderate them strictly.

Posted on: 16 September 2015 by Sneaky SNAIC

Correct, not asking for technical help, though.  Just saying: I'm thinking of doing a re-wire which would benefit my hi-fi...in fact I was just going to post my steps as I worked through it and things I learn, and then ultimately what effect it had on the hi fi and house in general. 

 

In the US people rewire their houses, redo their plumbing, paint, remodel kitchens and bathrooms, etc.  Most of us do get local professional help, unless we are pros.

 

Would never post pictures of electrical equipment from the attic and ask questions about the red or black wire.

Posted on: 16 September 2015 by joerand

SS,

Was your house run with aluminum wiring?

If it's copper, why do you say "the wiring is bad"?

Posted on: 16 September 2015 by Sneaky SNAIC

4 plugs in the kitchen went out all a the same time lol.  I've seen some of the runs in the attic, etc.

 

BAD meaning there is no special clean circuit running directly to my hi-fi...you see we must figure out a way to turn a need for a hi-fi circuit into a house re-wiring...

 

I'm shocked more aren't supportive of this concept...

 

Posted on: 16 September 2015 by joerand

Running a single dedicated circuit for the hifi seems a much simpler prospect than rewiring the entire house, as does adding an additional circuit if needed in the kitchen. What gives you grievance with the runs in the attic?

Posted on: 17 September 2015 by Sneaky SNAIC
Originally Posted by joerand:

Running a single dedicated circuit for the hifi seems a much simpler prospect than rewiring the entire house, as does adding an additional circuit if needed in the kitchen. What gives you grievance with the runs in the attic?

Is it unheard of, on these here forums, to rewire a house to hide a special hi-fi circuit run to my equipment?

 

It's actually miraculous (for me) that 4 jacks stopped working in the kitchen.

 

Posted on: 17 September 2015 by joerand
Originally Posted by Sneaky SNAIC:
Is it unheard of, on these here forums, to rewire a house to hide a special hi-fi circuit run to my equipment?

 

Posted on: 18 September 2015 by Huge
Originally Posted by joerand:
Originally Posted by Sneaky SNAIC:
Is it unheard of, on these here forums, to rewire a house to hide a special hi-fi circuit run to my equipment?

 

Spooky (or something like that), there's a lot of illogical conclusions about!

Posted on: 18 September 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

SS, I'd be interested to hear how you get on. There appears to be a lot of mystic and twaddle spoken about UK mains wiring regulations. The regulations are available online, and standard domestic wiring is pretty straifghtforward. As said though, just ensure, if you are not personally qualified, get an electrician to verify and issue you a certificate for you.

 

Posted on: 18 September 2015 by Mike-B

.....  errr       Sneaky is from USA 

Posted on: 18 September 2015 by CharlieP

SS,

 

Once a dedicated circuit is installed to your HiFi, you will most definitely appreciate the improvement in sound quality.  I did some of my own wiring years ago, with state electrical inspection, and a professional to do the final service connection.  It is not rocket science, but must be done correctly and per the local code.  You should find an electrician friend who can advise.  As you suggest, the "hardest" part is routing the wires in existing construction.

 

We just had our kitchen rewired, by a contractor, and you will be surprised at the number of circuits and expensive breakers needed to meet the latest code (for a kitchen).  Still, it is a worthy investment.

 

Charlie

Posted on: 19 September 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Originally Posted by Mike-B:

.....  errr       Sneaky is from USA 

Ok he can ignore my UK certification suggestion... I am sure the US/State regulations will be online there as well..

Simon

 

Posted on: 19 September 2015 by joerand

SS,

I've done numerous re-wirings and electrical customizations about my house, including adding a new 20-amp breaker to the fuse box for my garage shop. As indicated, none of this is rocket science, all my circuits operate, my house hasn't burned down, and I'm still alive.

 

I'm questioning your overall motive to disguise a dedicated hifi circuit within a whole-house rewiring project. After all, the ten grand you're talking about spending on wiring could be better spent on audio upgrades, couldn't it? That's where the logic escapes me. Maybe you fix the kitchen issues, slap in a dedicated hifi circuit, and find a reason to call it good. You could well climb the Naim ladder with the remaining funds. Or sit pat with your current gear after installing the two new circuits, enjoy, and spend some money on music.

Posted on: 19 September 2015 by Huge

I think SS was saying that his house needs re-wiring anyway, and it's a good opportunity to include a dedicated spur for the HiFi whilst the work is going on.  This makes a great deal of sense to me.

 

As he's in the US, he'll have a different set of local regulations than we have in the UK and these may allow him to do more of the work himself than would be allowed here (in the UK).

Posted on: 19 September 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk

Huge, in the UK you legally can do your own work if not a qualified electrician, as long as you follow UK regulations, and you gain an authorised third party to validate and certify the completed work, typically an approved inspector or possibly local authority. For small jobs possibly not worth it, but for a large project absolutely could be worth it..

 

Here is the law on the matter on the  UK Gov website

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/th...stic-electrical-work

 

Posted on: 19 September 2015 by joerand
Originally Posted by Sneaky SNAIC:

My house is 35 years old, and the wiring is bad.  I want a new circuit for my hifi.

Just saying: I'm thinking of doing a re-wire which would benefit my hi-fi

Originally Posted by joerand:

SS,

Was your house run with aluminum wiring?

If it's copper, why do you say "the wiring is bad"?

Originally Posted by Sneaky SNAIC:

4 plugs in the kitchen went out all a the same time lol.  I've seen some of the runs in the attic, etc.

 

BAD meaning there is no special clean circuit running directly to my hi-fi...you see we must figure out a way to turn a need for a hi-fi circuit into a house re-wiring... 

Wiring is bad? Plugs went out? Seen some of the runs in the attic?

 

Am I the only one that sees a lack of any substance or logic to the overall premise of rewiring an entire house for the sake of gaining a dedicated hifi circuit?

 

Seems to me a provocative post to which I might be falling victim as the greatest enabler.