SL2s revisited

Posted by: hungryhalibut on 16 September 2015

Years ago I had a very nice Naim setup, which used SL2s, driven by a 552/300. It remains the best sounding system I have heard. When I downsized, the speakers were the thing I was saddest to see go, though the nSats that followed them were a big consolation. Since that time I've had a few speakers and recently ended up with PMC's excellent twenty.23s, driven by my much loved SuperUniti. 

 

A few weeks ago, I swapped the SU for the new 272/250DR, which gave a massive improvement over the SU through the PMCs. This was going to be my setup for the foreseeable future. 

 

However, following a post from someone on here that mentioned that a dealer had some maple SL2s in stock, a new option hoved into view. I'd always missed those speakers, they are incredibly rare, and I'd never expected to own them again. I thought they'd already be sold, but surprisingly they weren't, and after a conversation with the dealer to check that my system was up to the task, which they assured me it was, they are now living in my sitting room. 

 

Apart from looking lovely, and taking up less space because they are against the wall, it's been fascinating to hear how they contrast with the 23s. Of course, the SL2 cost about £6,000 when it was discontinued, and the 23 costs £2,300 new. One of the 23s' strong points is their ability to set up a very solid sound stage, which portrays depth as well as width and height. I was listening to a album by the Hilliard, recorded in a church, and you could visualise them standing in the middle, the acoustics were so well captured. 

 

The SL2s do not do this, presenting more of a wall of sound with less emphasis on sound stage. But what they do do has been unfolding over the last few days. They are not an impressive speaker. They don't make you think about where the artists are positioned. When the music is on, you don't even consider them. But what they do is just let you into the music. You find yourself totally engrossed, the music just flows effortlessly. 

 

I did also rediscover their big downside, and it's the thing that I believe stopped them selling well, and that's the trickiness  setting them up. But following Richard's excellent setup FAQ means that I have them set up perfectly. They are an amazing feat of engineering what with the leaf spring suspension, isolated tweeter, metal plates separated by tiny spacers and so on. 

 

I was somewhat nervous about using them with a more modest system, but there is no indication of mulletness, and I'm sure that I have a very solid room, with brick walls and a concrete floor helps no end in enabling them to work so well. And they even seem happy with my TQ Black speaker cables!

 

So overall they have been a very successful purchase. I never expected to own another pair, which makes things even better. They are truly wonderful speakers. 

Posted on: 17 September 2015 by Steve J
Originally Posted by GraemeH:
Originally Posted by rsch:

Hi Nigel,

Congratulation for your return on a proper Naim chain.

Mine have proven to be really good and easy to drive even with Nait XS/HC, apparently easier than Sats,

but with the arrival of the CD555 and especially the 250 they really shine now.

About sound stage my impression is that some days are better than others probably for mains quality.

However the addition of Powerline on the HC-DR was really really noticeable on this aspect & the rest.

 

Richard,

What do you mean for "bay between them" ?

 

Regards

Roberto

I'm guessing a 'Bay Window'. I have the PMC .23 either side of our bay and it creates a great sense of depth, separation and so on.  Not at the expense of sheer musicality I would add.

 

I don't see why you can't have 'both and'.

 

G

I have a huge bay window and tried positioning my 802's in front of them. It didn't work, the bass 'flew' out of the window. 

Posted on: 17 September 2015 by Richard Dane

Steve, yes, that can be a problem in some instances with bay windows.  Much will depend on room layout, how the bay is designed, and where you sit.   The nice thing about SL2s is that they can work well fairly close to corners and side walls too..

Posted on: 17 September 2015 by Bart
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
That, young Bart, is a horrible animated graphic, but I forgive you! 

I did a search and set out to pick the most horrible.  On porpoise.

Posted on: 17 September 2015 by jfritzen

Congratulations on the SL2s, they are so lovely and so difficult to find. It took me 3 years to get hold of a pair in Germany.

Posted on: 17 September 2015 by ChrisSU
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
Chris, I wonder if it was a 250DR that you compared to the 300? Having owned both 300 and 250.2, I'd put the 250DR nearer to the former than the latter. It's a wonderful amp, and it's not anything like run in yet.


Hi Nigel,

The 250 and 300 were, I'm assured, both DR versions. This was an unexpected twist at the end of a fairly lengthy dem, the object of which was to find the best possible 3-box setup. At some stage, I'll go back for another listen, as this was a spur of the moment thing and the 300 wasn't warmed up, but my current thought is that if I ever buy a 272-based system, it will be with the 300!

Chris

Posted on: 17 September 2015 by Christopher_M

Nice set, Nigel.

 

ChrisSU, are you saying that as three box sets go, you think you prefer 272, 300DR to 272, XPS, 250DR? subject to warming up, etc. Thanks.

 

Chris_M

Posted on: 17 September 2015 by hungryhalibut

Having just done yet another Beta update I've sat down to listen to some Carol Kidd to make sure it's all working properly. The record has a very simple jazz group, and just now a note at the very low end of the double bass was hit and it was so low it was amazing - perfectly articulated with no boom or overhang whatsoever, with Carol's voice sounding really beautiful. Anyone who says that these speakers don't do bass should have heard that! With the amps coming on song day by day, the sound I'm getting is just spellbinding, and all from two boxes and some second hand speakers. I feel so lucky to have been in the right place at the right time.

Posted on: 17 September 2015 by hungryhalibut
Originally Posted by rsch:

Hi Nigel,

Congratulation for your return on a proper Naim chain.

Mine have proven to be really good and easy to drive even with Nait XS/HC, apparently easier than Sats,

but with the arrival of the CD555 and especially the 250 they really shine now.

About sound stage my impression is that some days are better than others probably for mains quality.

However the addition of Powerline on the HC-DR was really really noticeable on this aspect & the rest.

 

Richard,

What do you mean for "bay between them" ?

 

Regards

Roberto

It's not an entirely Naim chain, as I'm using a Witch Hat Hatpin interconnect and Tellurium speaker leads - just to prove that I'm not entirely a Naim sheep. Baa!

Posted on: 17 September 2015 by ChrisSU
Originally Posted by Christopher_M:

Nice set, Nigel.

 

ChrisSU, are you saying that as three box sets go, you think you prefer 272, 300DR to 272, XPS, 250DR? subject to warming up, etc. Thanks.

 

Chris_M

Yep!

Posted on: 17 September 2015 by Christopher_M
Originally Posted by ChrisSU:
Yep!

Oh yeah. I see it now, up the page. Sorry.

 

C.

Posted on: 17 September 2015 by Mr Mole

So, Nigel, with what will you be replacing the cherry Hutter?

Posted on: 17 September 2015 by hungryhalibut

Hmmmmm......

Posted on: 18 September 2015 by rsch
Originally Posted by Richard Dane:

Roberto,

 

apologies, as Graeme says, by "bay" I mean a bay window or similar recess.

' Morning Richard & G,

Thanks you.

R.

Posted on: 18 September 2015 by gary yeowell

Soundstage has never been remotely of interest to me whilst listening to music and my SL2's are all the better without these effects. In another system i have Quad ESL63's which probably recreate soundstage better than most speakers made, but if you took that away i'd not care a bit so long as they kept their incredible musicality intact.

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

Nearly a month on, with the 272/250DR running in nicely, and following last week's addition of an XPS DR, it's been fascinating how the sound has evolved. I sat down earlier to listen to Manu Katche's wonderful live album on ACT. The last time I played it, I still had my previous setup of SuperUniti and PMC twenty.23s. Playing it this morning was an absolutely revelation, the sound was powerful, majestic and totally engrossing. I'd always said that the SU/PMC setup was just as involving as the bigger systems I'd had before, but I was kidding myself. This new stuff takes involvement to a new level, it's just stunningly good. In part it's the SL2s, which are just great speakers, in part it's the 272/250 running in, but interestingly the thing that seems to have moved everything up is the addition of the XPS DR to the 272, which has been transformed. I was already delighted with it, so I wasn't expecting too much, but by goodness it has a big impact. 

 

So all's worked out well. And if anyone has a 272/250DR and is umming and ahhing as to whether to get and XPS, the answer is an unqualified yes. Sorry!

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by Christopher_M
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

I was kidding myself. 

And us too, it seems!!

 

Glad it's good.

 

C.

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by KRM

Dumping the Hutter was the turning point, if you ask me ;-)

 

Seriously, I have have heard SL2s sound awful and wonderful.

 

Wonderful was when Cymbosis used them to demo the then brand new Keel and Ekos SE. Usually, when I attend a demo or a show I go home and love my system all the more, but on this occasion my LP12 sounded vague and dull by comparison. A service and cartridge upgraded sorted me out, but I have never forgotten how good the SL2 sounded that day.

 

Keith

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

Dumping the Hutter...  That was done for aesthetics, as the light cherry colour didn't work either in our new colour scheme, or next to the maple speakers. 

 

And I'm a little nervous about saying this, but now I'm back with Naim speakers, I've ditched something else too....

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by Mike-B
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

And I'm a little nervous about saying this, but now I'm back with Naim speakers, I've ditched something else too....

  ..........   ohhh no !!!   ..........  not the ......... gasp .......... 

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

Eek!

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by Stephen Tate

A "STIFF" drink?

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by Christopher_M

omg!

 

C.

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

Could it be that I'm no longer using the Witch Hat Hatpin 4x? Err, no, it's still there. Jolly good it is too. 

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by Richard Dane

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by Massimo Bertola

I seem to remember about one century ago having posted about how relevant it had seemed to me the DR-ing of the XPS.2: so far, nothing new... As for the rest, I don't know: keeping up with HH's changes is too much for my old age. I prefer to wait, see, take notice and contemplate the forum's general cheer.

(Let's hope that an entire population of TQBlack owners won't feel let down in the middle of the desert crossing..)

 

;-)