SL2s revisited

Posted by: hungryhalibut on 16 September 2015

Years ago I had a very nice Naim setup, which used SL2s, driven by a 552/300. It remains the best sounding system I have heard. When I downsized, the speakers were the thing I was saddest to see go, though the nSats that followed them were a big consolation. Since that time I've had a few speakers and recently ended up with PMC's excellent twenty.23s, driven by my much loved SuperUniti. 

 

A few weeks ago, I swapped the SU for the new 272/250DR, which gave a massive improvement over the SU through the PMCs. This was going to be my setup for the foreseeable future. 

 

However, following a post from someone on here that mentioned that a dealer had some maple SL2s in stock, a new option hoved into view. I'd always missed those speakers, they are incredibly rare, and I'd never expected to own them again. I thought they'd already be sold, but surprisingly they weren't, and after a conversation with the dealer to check that my system was up to the task, which they assured me it was, they are now living in my sitting room. 

 

Apart from looking lovely, and taking up less space because they are against the wall, it's been fascinating to hear how they contrast with the 23s. Of course, the SL2 cost about £6,000 when it was discontinued, and the 23 costs £2,300 new. One of the 23s' strong points is their ability to set up a very solid sound stage, which portrays depth as well as width and height. I was listening to a album by the Hilliard, recorded in a church, and you could visualise them standing in the middle, the acoustics were so well captured. 

 

The SL2s do not do this, presenting more of a wall of sound with less emphasis on sound stage. But what they do do has been unfolding over the last few days. They are not an impressive speaker. They don't make you think about where the artists are positioned. When the music is on, you don't even consider them. But what they do is just let you into the music. You find yourself totally engrossed, the music just flows effortlessly. 

 

I did also rediscover their big downside, and it's the thing that I believe stopped them selling well, and that's the trickiness  setting them up. But following Richard's excellent setup FAQ means that I have them set up perfectly. They are an amazing feat of engineering what with the leaf spring suspension, isolated tweeter, metal plates separated by tiny spacers and so on. 

 

I was somewhat nervous about using them with a more modest system, but there is no indication of mulletness, and I'm sure that I have a very solid room, with brick walls and a concrete floor helps no end in enabling them to work so well. And they even seem happy with my TQ Black speaker cables!

 

So overall they have been a very successful purchase. I never expected to own another pair, which makes things even better. They are truly wonderful speakers. 

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by Hmack

One prodigal son doth not constitute a flood!

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by KRM
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

Dumping the Hutter...  That was done for aesthetics, as the light cherry colour didn't work either in our new colour scheme, or next to the maple speakers. 

 

And I'm a little nervous about saying this, but now I'm back with Naim speakers, I've ditched something else too....

Presumably, you're using the NAC A5 again? Apologies if it's too obvious.

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by dayjay
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

Dumping the Hutter...  That was done for aesthetics, as the light cherry colour didn't work either in our new colour scheme, or next to the maple speakers. 

 

And I'm a little nervous about saying this, but now I'm back with Naim speakers, I've ditched something else too....

All your Smiths CDs?

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by KRM
Originally Posted by dayjay:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

Dumping the Hutter...  That was done for aesthetics, as the light cherry colour didn't work either in our new colour scheme, or next to the maple speakers. 

 

And I'm a little nervous about saying this, but now I'm back with Naim speakers, I've ditched something else too....

All your Smiths CDs?

What difference does it make?

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by Massimo Bertola
Originally Posted by Hmack:

One prodigal son doth not constitute a flood!

True. And a flood won't make a prodigal son - I am not coming back to NAC A5 from Vertere.

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by hungryhalibut
Originally Posted by KRM:
Originally Posted by dayjay:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

Dumping the Hutter...  That was done for aesthetics, as the light cherry colour didn't work either in our new colour scheme, or next to the maple speakers. 

 

And I'm a little nervous about saying this, but now I'm back with Naim speakers, I've ditched something else too....

All your Smiths CDs?

What difference does it make?

It makes none.

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by rackkit
Originally Posted by rackkit:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

I'd always said that the SU/PMC setup was just as involving as the bigger systems I'd had before, but I was kidding myself. 

 

 

 

 

Don't worry HH, we all knew this...

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by nigelb

I know, HH has persuaded Sailsbury to make SL speaker cables with a 90 degree plug at the speaker end so he can use them with his SL2's.

 

I told you SL's are the best. 

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by Christopher_M

All very well, but SL2s were developed with Naca5 ;-)

 

Chris

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by nigelb

Yes but HH has a 250DR like me and I know (well IMHO) SL speaker cables are better with that beast.

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

I could always get some SL cables, chop the plugs off and put the old plastic ones on. Hopefully I'm going on a factory tour in November and I can try to twist some arms over lunch. 

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by nigelb

So you are saying you HAVEN'T tried this already.

 

Come on then.....spill the beans!

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by joe9407
Originally Posted by KRM:
Originally Posted by dayjay:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

Dumping the Hutter...  That was done for aesthetics, as the light cherry colour didn't work either in our new colour scheme, or next to the maple speakers. 

 

And I'm a little nervous about saying this, but now I'm back with Naim speakers, I've ditched something else too....

All your Smiths CDs?

What difference does it make?

stop me if you think you've heard this one before...

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by thebigfredc

HH does seem to have a fan club on here.

 

Not sure what they will make of his latest twist in the road no doubt he has everything now.

 

Ray

Posted on: 14 October 2015 by timster
Originally Posted by joe9407:
Originally Posted by KRM:
Originally Posted by dayjay:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

Dumping the Hutter...  That was done for aesthetics, as the light cherry colour didn't work either in our new colour scheme, or next to the maple speakers. 

 

And I'm a little nervous about saying this, but now I'm back with Naim speakers, I've ditched something else too....

All your Smiths CDs?

What difference does it make?

stop me if you think you've heard this one before...

the world won't listen...

Posted on: 15 October 2015 by rsch

unruly boys who will not grow up

Posted on: 15 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

Must be taken in hand.

Posted on: 15 October 2015 by northpole
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

Dumping the Hutter...  That was done for aesthetics, as the light cherry colour didn't work either in our new colour scheme, or next to the maple speakers. 

 

And I'm a little nervous about saying this, but now I'm back with Naim speakers, I've ditched something else too....

Not for me to say really HH, but I'll risk it - should you be asking yourself when would be a good time to hit the pause button on upgrades and enjoy the steps taken thus far?  As you demonstrated in days gone by, there can be no end to these steps....

Peter

Posted on: 15 October 2015 by hungryhalibut
Peter, that is only too well understood, and it was very much part of the thinking behind my choice of a 272 and 250. There is virtually nowhere that the system can be taken beyond where it is now: it has the Powerlines, dedicated mains (the earthing arrangements of which have just been improved) and boutique Ethernet cables. The stand is upgraded to its maximum potential so there is no scope to fiddle there as I don't want a Fraim. It was always the intention to get the XPS. I never, however, intended to sell the PMCs, and bought the new speakers on the spur of the moment, but I'm glad I did and they are just so much better, for a net cost of £800. I've swapped the Tellurium leads (I know, I know) for a 5m pair of NACA5 and made a small profit in the process. The intention now is to let it all run in and just enjoy having it for a good few years. The sound I'm achieving is beyond my wildest dreams and I'm so lucky to have it; I'm certainly not going to mess things up by over stretching myself - I've still got the scars!

As well as upsizing the stereo I've downsized my working hours, so I'll have more time to enjoy it on my non-working Wednesdays, even though much of the time will no doubt be spent hoovering, dusting and doing a spot of DIY.
Posted on: 15 October 2015 by Kiwi cat

Hi HH

 

Why back to the A5 cables? Did the TQB cables lack something?

Posted on: 15 October 2015 by Donkeyhaute

HH why did you decide to ditch the TQB? You kept the HatPin however, which I mightily  condone. For me, TQB was discernibly better than NACA5 with my SU and NAP250.  

 

PS: Doesn't this make you an apostate from your own schism?

 

 

Posted on: 15 October 2015 by MDS
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
did and they are just so much better, for a net cost of £800. I've swapped the Tellurium leads (I know, I know) for a 5m pair of NACA5 and made a small profit in the process. 

 
Not sure I understand the logic of going back to NACA5, particularly when the SLs are probably more revealing than the PMCs. Did you try an A/B, Nigel?  But if it's a 'I want what Naim designed for the SLs' that would make sense to me. In any event, time to update your profile, I think.  
Mike
 
Posted on: 15 October 2015 by Naimiac

Sic Transit Gloria Mundi.

Posted on: 15 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

The TQB was unequivocally better with the twenty.23s, and I wholeheartedly recommend it with those speakers. But getting the SL2s had me wondering whether it would actually be better between Naim amps and Naim speakers. I therefore bought a used 5m pair of NACA5 from an esteemed Forum member who has upgraded to Super Lumina leads. The idea was that I'd try them back to back and sell whichever I liked least. The difference was actually quite small, but in this case the NAC seemed to be more solid and coherent, so there was more of an impression of the music being an integrated whole. It was somehow just a bit more natural and easy to listen to. So quite a narrow win, but the right choice for me. Though after spending an hour on my hands and knees  nearly burning my hands with the hairdryer I do see why people are put off by it - it's like wrestling with an eel. 

Posted on: 15 October 2015 by Donkeyhaute

Fair enough. 

 

I'm sorry Ms. Jackson (Oooooo)/ I am four eels/ Never meant to make your daughter cry/ I am several fish and not a guy