Which speakers for Naim amplifiers?

Lighten up, didn't you see the icon on the end of the reply, it was a tongue in cheek reply to what I feel is a ridiculous number of questions of very subjective opinions.

I finally selected Proac D48R and Naim Ovator S-600.

I want to choose between these two.

Perhaps the Proac D48R are more fun and dynamic ....

The D48's are somewhere in the $10,000.00 to 12,000.00 dollar range, you should have amplification at least equal to that amount to get the best out of the speakers, probably the NAP300 minimum is what you should be thinking, sorry but the Supernait is way out of it's league.

Depends on the source more than the amp, IMO.

I'm currently running a Nait XS with ProAc D40R. Sounds bloody great.

The D40 (and I would assume the new 48's) really do everything well.

Previously I had SN/HC on ProAv Response 5's. A great combo which eventually gave way to a 282/250. The SN was trumped but not massively...

but I  

James L, very true what your saying, as I have also had Naim and Proac for years, but to really hear the D48's at their best you need to match appropriately.

The Kudos X2s work well with the SN2. 

As do the Rega speakers.

I have no idea what these silly icons mean. I do agree - choosing speakers based on others' opinions is daft. The speakers I own are the best I've ever heard, but I'm not going to recommend them as they are nearly impossible to find, and a lot of people don't like them. 

I agree with many sentiments posted here. There's no substrate for home demonstrations and let's not forget many of us in our 5th decade have a noticeable HF roll off too - one transducer we're stuck with. Comments on the forum are fine but should never replace ones own judgement.

Ovator 600s for me - not horrible at all at least in my room, with my electronics and my ears and I've owned many pairs of speakers over the years including Epos ES14s, 25s and 30s. I also gave up on  auditions at shows a while back - too loud and with too much boom and tizz from those inevitable jazz demo albums. Horrid!

 My Fatheir in Law still swears by a mains energised mono  Goodmans Axiom speaker in a 2 WW ammunition box driven by a Quad valve amp....top that!

Top that? My second system is wind up German Polyphon. 

And substrate?

Speakers are the most subjective part of the replay chain by far, and the most difficult (impossible) to make a definitive recommendation. At best, all one can say is 'X' works very nicely for me in my system/room, and for my ears.

FWIW, from your list with my personal experience i'd go Ovator S400, Naim SBL, or even better SL2. I would however take that with a pinch of salt, as some people love PMC's on here and i'd not use them even if they were gifted to me, which just highlights what i said in my first paragraph.  

The PMCs were really excellent with the SU, and even better with the new amps. I'd never planned to get the SL2s but saw some for sale by luck, so grabbed them. I prefer them to the PMCs and never actually thought I'd find some. That in no way dimishishes my liking for the PMCs, which are great speakers in my view. 

As most people have only heard a few speakers it probably follows that they will recommend what they have or had, but as ever this can only be a starting point. 

Very beautiful Kudos X2 but I would take a speaker system that has a sensitivity of at least 90.

My current Sonus Faber Liuto have sensitivity of 89.

William

I must concede that point.

I recently had to make a very difficult choice between very good speakers that are stunningly beautiful (Sonus Faber Elipsas) and Harbeth Monitor 40.1s. The Elipsas have a WAF of 10, and the 40.1s... I'd rather not say!

However, the Harbeths win. IMO they're one amongst the best speakers in the world.

Harbeth 40.1 and 40.2 are spectacular as sound.

As you put them in comparison with the Proac D48R or Wilson Benesh  ACT?

Now I must to chose among these :

Proac D30
Proac D48R
Naim Ovator S-400
Wilson Benesh ACT
Kudos Super 20
Harbeth 40.2

William,

No, I haven't, but based on what I read on the Forum I feel it would certainly be interesting.

Very happy with my 1028be's, which my 250.2 drives with ease.  It would take something very special indeed to make me change them.  

Mike 

I have demoed S-400 and Super 20 in the same room. Quite different speakers and I very clearly preferred the S-400. But I can understand others might prefer the Super 20. Have fun, nbpf

Nobody here like Proac D48R ?  :-(

Here's a review from What Hi Fi. This review is on the D40R, but I think the same would apply to the 48R as well.

<cite>www.whathifi.com/proac/response-d40r/review</cite>

Shahinian. Arcs. Job done and the Supernait, which is no power house btw, will drive them to decent levels with good control.

Half the stuff on your list will just steer you into an amp upgrade sooner rather than later. 

The D48R is very new to market so perhaps not a lot out there already(?).

Plenty of love here for the D40R. 

I would have liked to demo the Proacs but it turned out not to be easy in and around Berlin. I guess it is reasonable to expect many personal experiences, in particular with speakers, to be limited because of the limited availability of certain products in a given region.