How many pairs of SL2s were made?

Posted by: hungryhalibut on 07 October 2015

I wonder if Naim would say how may pairs of SL2s were made? I remember reading that only 250 or so pairs of NBLs were made, which seems an incredibly small number. The SL2 was smaller and cheaper so I imagine that a lot more than 250 were made, though you rarely see them up for sale, unlike SBLs, of which there are clearly many more around. 

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by Richard Dane

OK, let's count... There are yours, mine, Chris's...

 

Hmmm... I'm up to 9 pairs so far.  

 

But seriously, I'm sure if you contact Steve Hopkins and ask he could delve into the production logs and come up with a number

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

Thanks Richard. I've dropped Steve a line and will report back. 

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Richard Dane:

OK, let's count... There are yours, mine, Chris's...

 

Hmmm... I'm up to 9 pairs so far.  

 

But seriously, I'm sure if you contact Steve Hopkins and ask he could delve into the production logs and come up with a number

don't forget mine Richard... 

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by Richard Dane

I counted yours Ken...

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by Willy
And mine makes ten.

Regards,

Willy.
Posted on: 07 October 2015 by oscarskeeper
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

I wonder if Naim would say how may pairs of SL2s were made? I remember reading that only 250 or so pairs of NBLs were made, which seems an incredibly small number. The SL2 was smaller and cheaper so I imagine that a lot more than 250 were made, though you rarely see them up for sale, unlike SBLs, of which there are clearly many more around. 

I thought I recalled reading that just under 200 pairs of NBLs were made? Perhaps Naim can confirm!

 

Either way, goes to show why they don't come up very often?

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by rsch

Eleven with mine + another cherry couple my dealer has for sale.

 

Regards

Roberto

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by Richard Dane

Excellent, we're into double figures.  

 

More than I thought then...

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by Clay Bingham

These comments, humorous though they may be, certainly explain why you never see them in the U.S.   SL2's are one speaker I always wanted to hear......................well and maybe a pair of DBL's. No such luck.

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by DrMark

Same here Clay.

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by Richard Dane

Clay, I think the problem for the SL2 in the US was that they really needed solid walls (and ideally solid floors) to work properly.  While this is a construction that's relatively commonplace in the UK (thank you Victorians), in the US wooden construction and stud/cavity walls are mostly what you get.  As such a speaker like the SL2 just wouldn't work properly.  Hopefully, if Chris West is reading he can chip in with more insight as to the SL2 in the USA...

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by varyat

Well, the rosewood pair sitting in his living room sounded pretty good to me !  Chris's pair are the only ones I have ever heard outside of a fleeting listen at ProMusica a long time ago...

ATB,

Mark

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by ianrobertm

Bit confused here...  The SL2 replaced the SBL.....?  Or was different..?

I can find them listed at around £5k, when they were current - so they were not 'cheap'.

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by rackkit
Originally Posted by rsch:

Eleven with mine + another cherry couple my dealer has for sale.

 

Regards

Roberto

12. 

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by Joakim Juhl

I wonder how many happy SBL/SL2 owners successfully transferred into Ovator ownership...

Very, very different ways to do speakers and to enjoy music.

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by Chris Dolan
Originally Posted by ianrobertm:

I can find them listed at around £5k, when they were current - so they were not 'cheap'.

I recall them topping £6,000 before they were discontinued - but regularly being availble ex-dem at a significant reduction

 

Originally Posted by Joakim Juhl:

I wonder how many happy SBL/SL2 owners successfully transferred into Ovator ownership...

Very, very different ways to do speakers and to enjoy music.

I chose not to but found the S400s not unpleasant

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by David O'Higgins

HH, going back to your original question, I suspect that regardless of the number produced, the reason there are so few pairs on the market is that there really is no realistic alternative. They are almost perfect for those who need close to wall placement especially in small to medium sized rooms. Their only disadvantage is how to move them without being an expert.

It would take something truly exceptional to induce me to want to part with mine.

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

I don't disagree, I'm just intrigued to know how many were made. I'm glad in hindsight that I sold my first (cherry) pair all those years ago, as the new maple ones look so much nicer in my room. 

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by David O'Higgins

+1 for maple! If we get a #total, maybe we should go for a wood analysis ?!!

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

I'm hoping for a reply from Simon soon. I bet cherry was the biggest seller, and from memory the other colours were maple, rosewood and goth black.

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by ekfc63

+1

 

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by ianrobertm
Originally Posted by Chris Dolan:
Originally Posted by ianrobertm:

I can find them listed at around £5k, when they were current - so they were not 'cheap'.

I recall them topping £6,000 before they were discontinued - but regularly being availble ex-dem at a significant reduction

 

Thanks. From 1st April 2009, they were £6,020. There had gone, from the 2010 price list.

 

So-o....  Are the SL2's related to the Sibyl's.....?  @ekfc63's pic suggests not - directly, as the drivers are in the same box. The SBL's are 3 separate boxes, I think.

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

The SL2 is the descendent of the SBL. The bass box is separated from the lower box by three thin spacers, giving a gap of about 2mm, which replicates the gap in the SBL. The tweeter is not actually in the bass box, though it looks like it is. The top part of the box, where the tweeter sits, is actually empty - the tweeter sits at the end of an arm that is connected to the metal stand at the bottom. The main speaker sits on a leaf spring which allows it to oscillate, but when it does so, the tweeter is unaffected. It's a rather more sophisticated arrangement than the SBL, and is somewhat tricky to set up, even without the need for a tube of sealant!

Posted on: 07 October 2015 by ianrobertm

Ah. Thanks, was what I thought - that the SL2 was related to the SBL, but wasn't sure. Having Google'd them, I understand the construction now. Better looking than the SBL and more modern too. Hmm..... Wonder how much they currently go for....... 

Posted on: 08 October 2015 by rsch

Yes, they are  definetely tricky to level and sorting the tweeter.

For the record i just collected a few spares from my local service centre, they were pretty embarassed

telling me the price of the pin spacers @ 10 GBP each.

 

Regards

Roberto