Superuniti or Supernait2??...Again.

Posted by: mikeybaby on 16 October 2015

I've been reading some threads on this but would like some additional thoughts. I will eventually have to decide between a SU and SN2. I am currently auditioning a SU, and from memory of owning a SN2, the SU sounds warmer and creamier with better flow but the SN2  punchier, more prominent midrange and more power but more glare...

Using SN2 bare, which would you recommend? 

Posted on: 16 October 2015 by ChrisSU

I'd say the Supernait is a big step up from the SU amp. A bit of an unfair comparison, though; if the natural partner to a Supernait is an NDX, it's in a different league to the SU, but at double the price, what else would you expect?  

Posted on: 16 October 2015 by mikeybaby

Source is a CDX2...

Posted on: 16 October 2015 by ChrisSU
Originally Posted by mikeybaby:

Source is a CDX2...

In that case I'd definitely go for a Supernait on sound quality. 

Posted on: 16 October 2015 by mikeybaby

Votes?

Posted on: 16 October 2015 by dzambolaja

Supernait by large

Posted on: 16 October 2015 by hafler3o

The two are an unfair comparison, similarity, the word "Super".

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

If you intend to meet the CD player as your primary source of music, there seems little point in getting a SuperUniti. If on the other hand you intend to move to streaming and want an all in one, the SU is an excellent choice. 

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by spacey
I demoed the SU a few months ago Which came top on the day. Also listened to a ND5XS and NAITXS2 too. But neither ended up in my system. There's just something about both setups that didn't do it for me. I then listened to the 172/155 combo at a later date.... although on paper the other two should've been winners, the pre/power is what I preferred. IMHO if you're looking at developing your system with an element of streaming for the future then you should try the 172/155 or even a 172/200.
Posted on: 17 October 2015 by mikeybaby

So spacey are you saying neither are any good? both fall short?

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by spacey
Suppose I am, but that's my findings, I owned the first Supernait in 2008 but not heard the new SN2. For me, Naim have always excelled with pre/powers and the new streamer/preamps are the way forward IMHO. The dealer recommended I have a listen to the 172/200 over the SU, both cost around the same.
Posted on: 17 October 2015 by mikeybaby

I will look into the 172 for sure. Would it gel with a 250 HCDR?

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by mikeybaby

250.2 that is.

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

Oh dear, how people get in a muddle. The pairing would not be good, as the 250 is too good for the 172. If you already have a 250.2, the 272 would be the way to go. It's self powered, so no need for a Hicap. But we are now looking at a totally different scenario from where the thread started. I'd have a good look at the product pages and the price list, and come up with some affordable alternatives to try. 

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by hungryhalibut

Come to think of it, as you are playing CDs, the 282 would be the way to go, but the 282, Hicap and 250 are over twice the price of the Supernait. Do you want streaming, cd, or both?

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by gary yeowell
Please don't confuse a Supernait with a Supernait 2, they sound very different, with the latter being on another level. If you have a CDX2, i'd highly recommend the SN2. In fact i recently heard a CDX2/XPS2/SN2 system and it ranks as one of the most enjoyable i've heard in recent years. I run a CDS3/SN2 and it is better, but the X2/SN2 hits a sweet spot in terms of price that you'd be hard pushed to better. On the same day i heard the 272/250DR and the CDX2/XPS2/SN2 was far more enjoyable to these ears.
Posted on: 17 October 2015 by b_lund

If you have owned SN2 not beeing entirely happy, go for separates

 

Also upgrade your source with PSU and maybe CDS2 or 3 level headunit

maybe get the source done firstly

 

 

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by spacey
Originally Posted by mikeybaby:

I will look into the 172 for sure. Would it gel with a 250 HCDR?

IMHO the 172 is a bit of a dark horse, it'll be worth trying with a 250.2....... its not going to make the sun go black if you catch my drift ;-)

 

Review of it here: http://www.whathifi.com/naim/nac-n-172-xs/review

 

Personally speaking, I found the 172/155 more than enough and has that old school Naim thang about'itz, plus the RRP is £3200 ish and there's deals out there where you can buy both for £2500.

Saying that if you look on ebay theres also some BNIN SUs for £2500... the choice is yours!!!!  

 

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by spacey
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

Oh dear, how people get in a muddle. The pairing would not be good, as the 250 is too good for the 172

Is this a combination you've heard?

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by b_lund
Originally Posted by spacey:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

Oh dear, how people get in a muddle. The pairing would not be good, as the 250 is too good for the 172

Is this a combination you've heard?

He has 272/250DR in case you missed he'll soon gonna tell you

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by spacey
Originally Posted by b_lund:
Originally Posted by spacey:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

Oh dear, how people get in a muddle. The pairing would not be good, as the 250 is too good for the 172

Is this a combination you've heard?

He has 272/250DR in case you missed he'll soon gonna tell you

I kinda heard about it, somewhere....

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by nbpf
Originally Posted by mikeybaby:

I've been reading some threads on this but would like some additional thoughts. I will eventually have to decide between a SU and SN2. I am currently auditioning a SU, and from memory of owning a SN2, the SU sounds warmer and creamier with better flow but the SN2  punchier, more prominent midrange and more power but more glare...

Using SN2 bare, which would you recommend? 

I was in a similar situation about two years ago. I had demoed the SU (which I found very good but not as good as the SN2) and I was planning to sell my 20 years old CD player. But I was not convinced ethernet streaming was the way to go and the SU mostly makes sense as a one-box streaming solution. In the end I bought a SN2 and a second hand Naim DAC. My main rationale for choosing the SN2 over the SU was to achieve a very clean separation between amplification concerns and digital-to-analog conversion concerns. I have not regretted this choice and I am very happy with my current system. I think you would do nothing wrong with a SN2: it gives you most flexibility. Should you later want to move to internet streaming or to USB streaming, the SN2 could stay. And should you later decide to sell it, for whatever reason, you would likely be able to do so at a very good price. Best, nbpf

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by b_lund
Originally Posted by spacey:
Originally Posted by b_lund:
Originally Posted by spacey:
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:

Oh dear, how people get in a muddle. The pairing would not be good, as the 250 is too good for the 172

Is this a combination you've heard?

He has 272/250DR in case you missed he'll soon gonna tell you

I kinda heard about it, somewhere....

My neighbours son missed it so he's over the moon now he knows

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by rainsoothe

Hah! Salty stuff

 

FWIW, I used to own SN2, but because of cost restrictions and overpowering bass (in my small 16 sq m room) I let it go. To be honest, I don't necessarily miss it, and I like the warmer presentation of the first SN better - and, if I remember right, I think that's why I liked the SU more as well on that short audition. The Nap200 (non-dr I think) also has a warmer feel to it, and I prefer it's presentation to the SN2, which can sometimes sound just a wee bit clinical - not harsh or forward, just a bit... distant. So if you like that kind of thing, go for SN2. But if it's warmth you require, I think N-172 + Nap200 might really be worth auditioning, should that combo fir your budget. For me, the flow of the music is much more important then ultimate detail and instrument separation.

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by gary yeowell

Wow! warmth and 200 mentioned in the same sentence….

Posted on: 17 October 2015 by rainsoothe
Originally Posted by gary yeowell:

Wow! warmth and 200 mentioned in the same sentence….

Maybe it was the stinkin' Audioquest Type 4 speaker cable - that's apparently not such a good thing for Naim. I mean, researching the Anticable compatibility with Naim, I learned that solid wire that's twisted has high capacitance, and you need to use it untwisted. Since the Audioquest is apparently twisted, and they also don't publish electrical specs, I'll just assume it was the Audioquest's fault  (which, indeed, had a tendency to tame stuff quite a lot)