NDX 272 Debate & yes, Hugo

Posted by: GraemeH on 24 October 2015

Quite a few separate threads dwelling on the NDX or 272 conundrum with, from what I can determine, an roughly equal number preferring one over the other.

 

To remind myself what the bare NDX sounded like last night I bypassed the Hugo via a lavender IC straight into SN2/HCDR for a while. The downgrade is immediately obvious with everything shrinking, flattening and becoming more distant, regardless of volume. This is not subtle. Bringing the Hugo back into play is a revelation. It reminds me why I moved on from Ndac/555PS.

 

If the 272 is only competing with NDX then it is, pound for pound, still behind the competition as a source - by some margin to my mind.

 

Flame suit on in anticipation...

 

G

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by karlosTT
Originally Posted by Zeny:

My point is, there is a big world out there.

 

I have to say Zeny,

 

Just LOVE the look of that Mac gear.  Which is to say, 'proper' Mac, not that fruit branded stuff..... ;-)

 

Gorgeous.

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by SongStream
Originally Posted by Zeny:

No, once you get past a certain price level, say around $3,000 usd, it is very much a matter of personal taste and system synergy. lots of goodies out there if only one cares to look.

Er...surely that's true at any level, not just above £3k..sorry £1960.

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by Zeny

 

Here's some more eye candy 

 

 

 

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by Michael_B.
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
I'm pleased I'm off to New York for a break en famille

Have a great time! Hopefully we can hook up when you get back.

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by Allante93
I think 2000 GBP is similar to 3000 USD
Posted on: 24 October 2015 by SongStream
Originally Posted by Allante93:
I think 2000 GBP is similar to 3000 USD

yes

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by Steve J
Originally Posted by Zeny:

there are so many great dac's out there. For example i'm currently loving my ps audio directstream dac. Have the hugo lovers tried any other dac's other than naim and hugo? Why only limit yourselves to only naim and hugo? 

also don't tell us you prefer hugo because of its price performance ratio. I get as much musical enjoyment from my nad headphones and ifi idsd nano as my main rig. we are talking absolute performance here.

Well, yes.

 

When I was looking for a DAC last year I had a home demo of both the PS Audio DAC and the Hugo. 

 

 

I posted my findings on a previous thread;

 

https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...d-chord-hugo?page=30

 

I'm afraid the choice was very easy for me and the price/performance saving was a bonus. 

 

In addition the Hugo was new and not optimally set up at the time of the comparison whereas the dealer set up the run in PS Audio DAC. The harshness I heard with the Hugo at first was akin to the 2Qute and was solved with adjustment of the output volume to 'turquoise'.

 

 

You cannot be seriously using an iPad as a source? 

 

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by Allante93
Please, more eye Candy!
Posted on: 24 October 2015 by SongStream
Originally Posted by Steve J:
Originally Posted by Zeny:

there are so many great dac's out there. For example i'm currently loving my ps audio directstream dac. Have the hugo lovers tried any other dac's other than naim and hugo? Why only limit yourselves to only naim and hugo? 

also don't tell us you prefer hugo because of its price performance ratio. I get as much musical enjoyment from my nad headphones and ifi idsd nano as my main rig. we are talking absolute performance here.

Well, yes.

 

When I was looking for a DAC last year I had a home demo of both the PS Audio DAC and the Hugo. 

 

 

I posted my findings on a previous thread;

 

https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...d-chord-hugo?page=30

 

I'm afraid the choice was very easy for me and the price/performance saving was a bonus. 

 

In addition the Hugo was new and not optimally set up at the time of the comparison whereas the dealer set up the run in PS Audio DAC. The harshness I heard with the Hugo at first was akin to the 2Qute and was solved with adjustment of the output volume to 'turquoise'.

 

 

You cannot be seriously using an iPad as a source? 

 

You cannot seriously have your hugo hanging over the edge of two fraims like that.  Nail it down, man.  Get some blu-tak and fix it to a shelf at least.  I assume this positioning was for photographic purposes,

 

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by Steve J
Originally Posted by SongStream:
Originally Posted by Steve J:
Originally Posted by Zeny:

there are so many great dac's out there. For example i'm currently loving my ps audio directstream dac. Have the hugo lovers tried any other dac's other than naim and hugo? Why only limit yourselves to only naim and hugo? 

also don't tell us you prefer hugo because of its price performance ratio. I get as much musical enjoyment from my nad headphones and ifi idsd nano as my main rig. we are talking absolute performance here.

Well, yes.

 

When I was looking for a DAC last year I had a home demo of both the PS Audio DAC and the Hugo. 

 

 

I posted my findings on a previous thread;

 

https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...d-chord-hugo?page=30

 

I'm afraid the choice was very easy for me and the price/performance saving was a bonus. 

 

In addition the Hugo was new and not optimally set up at the time of the comparison whereas the dealer set up the run in PS Audio DAC. The harshness I heard with the Hugo at first was akin to the 2Qute and was solved with adjustment of the output volume to 'turquoise'.

 

 

You cannot be seriously using an iPad as a source? 

 

You cannot seriously have your hugo hanging over the edge of two fraims like that.  Nail it down, man.  Get some blu-tak and fix it to a shelf at least.  I assume this positioning was for photographic purposes,

 

No, it was the only practical place for it to go at the time, and it still outshone the PS Audio DAC.

 

It now resides on it's own Fraim level with a WireWorld USB cable and a Super Lumina IC.

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by yorkslad

Had a lot of top line digital sources up to present so thought I would try a hugo

 

Simple answer is that I was not impressed even with the massive over hype surrounding the product. 

 

Different gear for different ears I guess

 

if I wanted analytical detail with no rhythm or soul and musical involvement then I would, have stuck with my original L&£n Kl&£ax (misspelled on purpose of course)

 

 

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by David S Patterson
I feel sorry for the 272. I can't even conceive how NDX, never mind NDX Hugo, can be compared to it. Is the 272 not a combined preamp and streamer in one for 3.3k quid. Not only that but a preamp with its own ps.I tried once few month ago, using my LP12 and a transport and 2 Qute. The LP12 was stunning through it, The 2 Qute +transport was fantastic. Transport plus 272 dac was much better than Cd player analogue outs. I think if your a CD player user wanting to try streaming it's perfect.The preamp is really impressive.
Posted on: 24 October 2015 by yorkslad

David S Paterson above

 

i concur

 

the 272 is a fantastic product in its own right and proudly runs my middle system as a source/pre

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by GraemeH

I should clarify what I meant when I said '...as a source...'  that I was meaning the DAC in 272 in comparison to Hugo DAC. The reference to NDX is that it's my only benchmark DAC that some contributors suggest may be at a similar level to 272.

 

G

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by yorkslad

I've had ndx and to me the 272 is a sweeter sounding product the way I use it

 

i must stress that this is in exactly the same system (component replacement  and like for like)

 

I also had a power supply on the ndx and still prefer the 272 - got the whole xps debate to come when I try one on the 272 

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by cat345

What is a certainty is that Naim and others will catch up with Hugo... someday

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by Clay Bingham
Originally Posted by Steve J:
Originally Posted by Zeny:

there are so many great dac's out there. For example i'm currently loving my ps audio directstream dac. Have the hugo lovers tried any other dac's other than naim and hugo? Why only limit yourselves to only naim and hugo? 

also don't tell us you prefer hugo because of its price performance ratio. I get as much musical enjoyment from my nad headphones and ifi idsd nano as my main rig. we are talking absolute performance here.

Well, yes.

 

When I was looking for a DAC last year I had a home demo of both the PS Audio DAC and the Hugo. 

 

 

I posted my findings on a previous thread;

 

https://forums.naimaudio.com/to...d-chord-hugo?page=30

 

I'm afraid the choice was very easy for me and the price/performance saving was a bonus. 

 

In addition the Hugo was new and not optimally set up at the time of the comparison whereas the dealer set up the run in PS Audio DAC. The harshness I heard with the Hugo at first was akin to the 2Qute and was solved with adjustment of the output volume to 'turquoise'.

 

 

You cannot be seriously using an iPad as a source? 

 

Wow! Lovely and impressive. Would not have picked that paint color in a million years but it fits perfectly here. Really like this.

Posted on: 24 October 2015 by Zeny

Steve,

 

read your hugo vs directstream comparison. Good write up. my directstream is running the latest yale operating system when i auditioned and purchased it. It is supposedly much better than the previous firmwares. I tried a hugo in my system and it didn't do it for me. Like i said, personal preference and system synergy and all that.

 

the ipad is for spotify. For serious listening the nds is used as a transport.

Posted on: 25 October 2015 by Naimiac
Originally Posted by Hungryhalibut:
I'm pleased I'm off to New York for a break en famille, so l will able to ignore this thread which will no doubt conclude how terrible the 272 is compared to the mighty Hugo which, as we all know by now is the best thing in the world of hifi - ever. I wonder if music at the Village Vanguard or the Met will be even a pale imitation of the wonderful sound that emanates from the Hugo? I cannot imagine for a moment that it will be.

I'll print and frame this post as an amusing reminder for when you'll have bought a Chord Hugo... But the amusement will be short, I fear, since by the time a number of us will have run to buy one ourself (undoubtedly), you'll have changed your mind, and sold it.

 

Have some deserved rest, Mr Fish - it must be lonely, there on the top of the roof, spinning at the wind's mercy.

(And thanks for letting us know that you are going to be part of 'the' scene).

 

N

Posted on: 25 October 2015 by Simon-in-Suffolk
Originally Posted by Steve J:

I find this argument fatuous. The only person who can decide which of the two is better in their system is he who uses his lug holes. 

I agree, and the hype machines have moved onto other newer products, but people's lug holes still confirm what people enjoy best. Surely you should make your own mind up.. not what a publicity marketing manager says, or a journalist.. I say you should let these marketing machines raise awareness, but not determine outcome.. but the approach is flawed I concede if you are weak minded or lack the confidence in your own preference.

Posted on: 25 October 2015 by The Strat (Fender)

Well I've never heard a Hugo - one day??

 

But have heard the 272 and NDX and it's like this.  Both benefit very considerably from a XPS.  Beyond that it really depends on the rest of the system.  I should imagine that if the NDX is accompanied by a 202 then it's probably a close call but once there is 282/HC the NDX will be away.  Other permutations will apply of course - SN with a NDX?

Posted on: 25 October 2015 by Zipperheadbanjo

I've never heard a 272.

 

I recently just added a hugo, after over 12 months of debating the wisdom of putting a 2.8k DAC on the end of a 6K streamer. However, having found a gently used on at a great price, I took a flyer with the rationalization that if it wasn't an improvement on my existing home rig, it would at least be a welcome addition to my travel bag since I am away a lot on business.

 

As others here have reported, it does mark a significant improvement over a bare NDX. I'd say there is not much between an NDX + XPS vs Mac mini into the Hugo HD USB port. In that contest it's not so much a question of better... more a question of different... I think to my ears I preferred the NDX + XPS.

 

NDX into Hugo Coax digital input takes things to a much higher level. 

 

Posted on: 25 October 2015 by Paul Meakin
Originally Posted by cat345:

What is a certainty is that Naim and others will catch up with Hugo... someday

The latest on the hype machine that is head-fi is the Yggdrasil... 

Posted on: 25 October 2015 by Steve J
Originally Posted by Clay Bingham:
Wow! Lovely and impressive. Would not have picked that paint color in a million years but it fits perfectly here. Really like this.

Thanks Clay. The room used to be our formal dining room, hence the colour.

Posted on: 25 October 2015 by Steve J
Originally Posted by Zeny:

Steve,

 

read your hugo vs directstream comparison. Good write up. my directstream is running the latest yale operating system when i auditioned and purchased it. It is supposedly much better than the previous firmwares. I tried a hugo in my system and it didn't do it for me. Like i said, personal preference and system synergy and all that.

 

the ipad is for spotify. For serious listening the nds is used as a transport.

Agreed.