S U P E R L U M I N A - Is this the biggest improvement ever?

Posted by: Martin.L on 08 November 2015

I naively used to assume that the NAC A5 are perfect...

 

Just got the speaker cables and could not believe that cables could make this difference.

 

Clearly these cables need a good warm up and run-in before they are going to approach their optimum sound and I have been told that it takes one week for them to really start to disappear behind the music. Yet from the off with only day’s warm up this upgrade delivered a more musical result than the majority of others. 

 

The system now creates an effect of a non-electronic device, the end result gives the overall feel of a much more realistic space. The wider and deeper soundstage has very consistent perspectives.

 

These luminas changed the system, it became a variety of moods expressed in tones that are almost endless, they depend actually upon the great working together of all the tonal attributes– color, quality, pitch, and loudness.

 

The heavy tones assert their will with a more insistent energy; the long tones upon which we linger make a deeper and more lasting impression; while the light and short tones in contrast become points of mere passing and transition.

 

The contrasts between piano and forte – loudness that brings the tones so near that they may seem threatening in their insistence; softness that makes them seem far away and dreamlike.

 

The treble is delicate - sweet and clear. Voices are strongly holographic, female singers do not screech and are outstandingly articulate. 

 

The energy it managed to extract from the albums was nothing short of astounding.

 

It also preserved the ability to put the music before the sound...

 

It makes you want to keep on listening! can't get to sleep.

 

What a great project.

 

Good job naim,

 

Martin

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by Chris Dolan

… but won't you want to DR the 500s first Ken? 

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by Allante93
I think you are doomed also! Ken, nice system please help me count your black boxes. Super line / SC DR NDS /2 x 555PS DR 552/555PS DR Snaxo 242/ ? 2 x 500's/SL2's Nice system Ken, trying to understand the Naim hi end systems. What's powering the Snaxo? Is that 11 boxes?
Posted on: 10 November 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Chris Dolan:

… but won't you want to DR the 500s first Ken? 

the most immediate is probably the SL snaxo cable, Chris. after that, who knows? the bank account is always a constraint though and the fact that my system sounds fantastic right now -- so the question  arises -- why change anything? but i once swore i would never buy a 552...

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Allante93:
I think you are doomed also! Ken, nice system please help me count your black boxes. Super line / SC DR NDS /2 x 555PS DR 552/555PS DR Snaxo 242/ ? 2 x 500's/SL2's Nice system Ken, trying to understand the Naim hi end systems. What's powering the Snaxo? Is that 11 boxes?

just counted -- and i get 17, including UnitiServeSSD. Ridiculous!!! but sounds frighteningly fantastic  i havent counted SL2s

 

to the OP, sorry for straying off-topic...

 

enjoy...

ken

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by Chris Dolan
Originally Posted by ken c:
.. but i once swore i would never buy a 552...

 - resistance is probably futile 

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by Allante93
Still on topic, SL full loom. SC 2 DR powering the Snaxo 242?
Posted on: 10 November 2015 by Zeny

That's how a Naim system should be built, a mountain of black boxes, no 1-2 box thing. Are you now holding the record for the most number of black boxes?

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by Allante93

Thanks Zeny, Black boxes!

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by Michael
Originally Posted by Zeny:

That's how a Naim system should be built, a mountain of black boxes, no 1-2 box thing. Are you now holding the record for the most number of black boxes?

A little off topic so apologies to the op... but I should think it is a close run thing between DB, GC and Tony M. !

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by Zeny

You mean ken c is not even in the top 3???

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by Chris Dolan:

… but won't you want to DR the 500s first Ken? 

Yeah, keep up with the upgrade programme, Ken!  You're slipping behind... 

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by ken c:
Originally Posted by Chris Dolan:

… but won't you want to DR the 500s first Ken? 

the most immediate is probably the SL snaxo cable, Chris. after that, who knows? the bank account is always a constraint though and the fact that my system sounds fantastic right now -- so the question  arises -- why change anything? but i once swore i would never buy a 552...

 

enjoy

ken

Think you will love the difference the SL Snaxo cable makes.  Plus it's probably the cheapest upgrade you could do compared to speaker cable or 500 DR upgrade which must be a plus!

 

Have you got SL DIN/XLRs already?

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by Zeny:

You mean ken c is not even in the top 3???

It's not a competition!  At least I don't regard it that way.

 

If you asked Gary, Tony, Ken and myself whether we are happy with our systems I am pretty sure you'd get a resounding "yes" from all of us.  And that's all that really matters.

 

(Yes, I do realise the comment was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek)

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by Allante93

It's not a competition!  At least I don't regard it that way.

 

 

Graham, I didn't mean to start something, just a simple question for understanding, looked at Ken's profile and was just trying to figure out how many black boxes he has.  Simple, DB has 11 and a S1, You Have 12 and a S1, I have 7.  3 little 250's and a Hi Cap DR, Cdx2, Napsc, Nac 282 .   

 

I like to dream about what I would do if I run into some cash, That's it!  Also the understanding of the hi fi world!  

 

1st Dr your Pre amps, 2nd Interconnects, and in Active System, SL interconnect between pre amp and Snaxo, and 3rd the new DR  amps, and last but not least SL speaker Cable.  

 

That's it! 

 

Out!  Enjoy the massive system you have!  And Ken How many Black boxes do you have?

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by Graham Clarke
Originally Posted by Allante93:

It's not a competition!  At least I don't regard it that way.

 

 

Graham, I didn't mean to start something, just a simple question for understanding, looked at Ken's profile and was just trying to figure out how many black boxes he has.  Simple, DB has 11 and a S1, You Have 12 and a S1, I have 7.  3 little 250's and a Hi Cap DR, Cdx2, Napsc, Nac 282 .   

 

I like to dream about what I would do if I run into some cash, That's it!  Also the understanding of the hi fi world!  

 

1st Dr your Pre amps, 2nd Interconnects, and in Active System, SL interconnect between pre amp and Snaxo, and 3rd the new DR  amps, and last but not least SL speaker Cable.  

 

That's it! 

 

Out!  Enjoy the massive system you have!  And Ken How many Black boxes do you have?

Fair enough. 

 

I'm actually very near the end of my feasible upgrade process.  All that is left to consider is a second 555PS for my NDS and/or a Melco N1Z box.

 

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Allante93:
Still on topic, SL full loom. SC 2 DR powering the Snaxo 242?

SL-wise, i only have the SL interconnect right now, between NDS and 552

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Zeny:

That's how a Naim system should be built, a mountain of black boxes, no 1-2 box thing. Are you now holding the record for the most number of black boxes?

record? i very much doubt it... mine is a mere 2-way active system, there are quite a number of 3 way actives beloging to guys who post on this forum...

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
Originally Posted by Chris Dolan:

… but won't you want to DR the 500s first Ken? 

Yeah, keep up with the upgrade programme, Ken!  You're slipping behind... 

yes afraid so Graham  letting the side down

will try harder !! 

 

enjoy

ken

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
 

Have you got SL DIN/XLRs already?

no, the only SL i have is the NDS/552 signal cable...

How sad is that ?!

 

enjoy...

ken

Posted on: 10 November 2015 by Chris Dolan
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
I'm actually very near the end of my feasible upgrade process.  All that is left to consider is a second 555PS for my NDS and/or a Melco N1Z box.

Surely 6 NAP S1 mono power amplifiers as well  - can't imagine what is stopping you Graham 

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by Martin.L
Originally Posted by ken c:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
 

Have you got SL DIN/XLRs already?

no, the only SL i have is the NDS/552 signal cable...

How sad is that ?!

 

enjoy...

ken

Are you satisfied?

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Martin.L:
Originally Posted by ken c:
Originally Posted by Graham Clarke:
 

Have you got SL DIN/XLRs already?

no, the only SL i have is the NDS/552 signal cable...

How sad is that ?!

 

enjoy...

ken

Are you satisfied?

no, i am so sad and unsatisfied i feel like slashing my wrists... 

 

Not...

 

enjoy...

ken

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by Aric

I'm curious about Naim introducing a "cable hierarchy" if you will. 

 

Of course a dealer could pass along their views - unfortunately mine is 6 hours away and seems less and less interested about Naim these days.

 

Can the SL IC be configured to replace a SNAIC? If not, then I guess anyone using a HC to power their pre has an answer on whether to consider the SL. At least I would, the limiting factor would be the SNAIC's ability to pass the musical signal along to the HC, so why go to a SL between the p/s and the amp? 

 

Beyond this line of thought, curious where Naim recommend inserting the Hi-Line...and then at what point to consider the SL. 

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by Steve J

Has anyone tried a 4-5 pin SL IC on a Superline/Supercap/552? 

Posted on: 11 November 2015 by ken c
Originally Posted by Aric:

 

Can the SL IC be configured to replace a SNAIC?

as far as i know, NO...

but Richard will be along shortly to confirm one way or the other, i'm sure

 

enjoy

ken