Can Anybody Identify This Bike Frame

Posted by: fatcat on 12 November 2015

I recently bought time trial bike, not complete, needs brakes, QR skewers and pedals to get it running and possible a front chain ring.

 

I've spent a couple of days trying to identify the frame manufacture, without any success. Googling "extreme frame" is useless, apparently extreme frame is a popular term to describe a frame. Other than extreme the only thing I know is it's made from Columbus tubing.

 

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by winkyincanada

My guess is that it's a frame from a mass manufacturer (possibly Taiwanese) branded by a small and now defunct marketing company. Why do you want to know? What brand is the chainset and derailluers? Give us some close up pics?

Posted on: 12 November 2015 by GregW

I suggest you don't ride the Spinergy front wheel. The UCI banned them after a series of catastrophic failures and serious accidents where the bladed spokes caused serious injuries.

 

Like @winkyincanada I think it's a rebrand. Based on the tubing I'd say it's the mid nineties equivalent of todays Chinese open mould frames. Taiwanese is a good bet but there's also a strong chance it's an Italian built frame. Columbus's Cinelli brand used to produce more OEM frames than frames under it's own name. 

 

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by fatcat
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:

My guess is that it's a frame from a mass manufacturer (possibly Taiwanese) branded by a small and now defunct marketing company. Why do you want to know? What brand is the chainset and derailluers? Give us some close up pics?

I'm just curious as to who built the frame.

 

The rear mech is Dura Ace with shimano 9 speed Hyperglide cassette. Cranks Record/unmarked 55t chainwheel, front mech daytona. Compagnolo brake levers and Shimano shifters.

The headset is chorus, it seems tight to me, almost verging on notchy.

 

 

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by fatcat
Originally Posted by GregW:

I suggest you don't ride the Spinergy front wheel. The UCI banned them after a series of catastrophic failures and serious accidents where the bladed spokes caused serious injuries.

 

Like @winkyincanada I think it's a rebrand. Based on the tubing I'd say it's the mid nineties equivalent of todays Chinese open mould frames. Taiwanese is a good bet but there's also a strong chance it's an Italian built frame. Columbus's Cinelli brand used to produce more OEM frames than frames under it's own name. 

 

Thanks for the advice Greg, I thought it looked a bit dodgy, I definitely won't be using it now.

 

A mid nineties bike would probably be considered as outdated by most cyclists, but, as my other road bike is vintage steel from the late 60s, to me it's a huge leap forward.

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by GregW:

I suggest you don't ride the Spinergy front wheel. The UCI banned them after a series of catastrophic failures and serious accidents where the bladed spokes caused serious injuries.

 

Like @winkyincanada I think it's a rebrand. Based on the tubing I'd say it's the mid nineties equivalent of todays Chinese open mould frames. Taiwanese is a good bet but there's also a strong chance it's an Italian built frame. Columbus's Cinelli brand used to produce more OEM frames than frames under it's own name. 

 

Agree with all this. I think you're right about it possibly being a Cinelli.

 

I'd reinforce that Spinergy wheels are not well regarded for durability.

 

It's a weird combination of decent quality parts, presumably built from the left-overs of several other broken/worn-out bikes. I used to have a bike bit like that. But no reason it won't be a decent bike to ride if the fit is right and it is well set up. Inspect the frame carefully for cracks. If it was me, I'd also pull the fork out, press the bearing race off and have a really good look for cracks where the steerer meets the fork crown. A crash could have caused a latent failure. The forks coming detached from your bike wouldn't be a pleasant experience.

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by count.d

It was early Spinergy wheels that could possibly have problems. The issue was totally blown out of proportion. 

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by George F
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Originally Posted by GregW:

I suggest you don't ride the Spinergy front wheel. The UCI banned them after a series of catastrophic failures and serious accidents where the bladed spokes caused serious injuries.

 

Like @winkyincanada I think it's a rebrand. Based on the tubing I'd say it's the mid nineties equivalent of todays Chinese open mould frames. Taiwanese is a good bet but there's also a strong chance it's an Italian built frame. Columbus's Cinelli brand used to produce more OEM frames than frames under it's own name. 

 

Agree with all this. I think you're right about it possibly being a Cinelli.

 

I'd reinforce that Spinergy wheels are not well regarded for durability.

 

It's a weird combination of decent quality parts, presumably built from the left-overs of several other broken/worn-out bikes. I used to have a bike bit like that. But no reason it won't be a decent bike to ride if the fit is right and it is well set up. Inspect the frame carefully for cracks. If it was me, I'd also pull the fork out, press the bearing race off and have a really good look for cracks where the steerer meets the fork crown. A crash could have caused a latent failure. The forks coming detached from your bike wouldn't be a pleasant experience.

I agree with Winki on this [high-lighted in red] The forks appear to be carbon fibre, which is fine if they have never been bumped. Steel bends before it breaks, and carbon does not, it simply collapses.

 

But it looks a superb sort of bike if it suits. Never mind the provenance or pedigree. But beware of carbon fibre forks. Fine if never bumped, and you do not know that I suspect.

 

Ride safe.

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 13 November 2015 by George F

A mid nineties bike would probably be considered as outdated by most cyclists, but, as my other road bike is vintage steel from the late 60s, to me it's a huge leap forward.

 

I have two nice bikes, both older than the mid nineties.

 

A 1984 Carlton and a quite similar 1989 Raleigh.

 

The Raleigh [made in the same works as the Carlton as a superior Raleigh] has its original very nice Shimano 105 six speed indexed gear with two front chain wheels [but with Campag wheel hubs on Mavic rims], and Shimano biopace front cogs! It goes well even as set up as a commuting bike! And the Carlton, which has a five speed [times two font chain wheels] based on an old style friction gear shifting groupset of Super Record, “C” Record, Nuovo Record and Gran Sport - all from Campag. Not surprisingly it goes rather well with a frame that is the equal of the Italian makers of the time, if certainly not finer.

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 18 November 2015 by fatcat
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:

It's a weird combination of decent quality parts, presumably built from the left-overs of several other broken/worn-out bikes.

It is a weird combination, but there could be a good reason for that. The shifters are 9 speed shimano, the cassette is 9 speed shimano and the dura ace rear mech is from the same era. 9 speed was introduced in 1997, so ties in the with suggested date of the frame. The campagnolo cranks (175mm) and noname chainweel (55T) are probably down the fact a time trialist would be inclined to experiment with lengths and number of teeth.

Posted on: 18 November 2015 by fatcat
Originally Posted by George Fredrik Fiske:

I agree with Winki on this [high-lighted in red] The forks appear to be carbon fibre, which is fine if they have never been bumped. Steel bends before it breaks, and carbon does not, it simply collapses.

 

But it looks a superb sort of bike if it suits. Never mind the provenance or pedigree. But beware of carbon fibre forks. Fine if never bumped, and you do not know that I suspect.

 

Ride safe.

 

ATB from George

George

 

I’m not that keen on carbon fibre myself, the wheel will definitely go. I’ll check the forks and if OK source the missing parts over the winter and build in the spring.

Although, I do like to live life on the edge, so I am prepared to give the carbon fibre seat and carbon fibre seat post a go.

Posted on: 18 November 2015 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by fatcat:
Originally Posted by George Fredrik Fiske:

I agree with Winki on this [high-lighted in red] The forks appear to be carbon fibre, which is fine if they have never been bumped. Steel bends before it breaks, and carbon does not, it simply collapses.

 

But it looks a superb sort of bike if it suits. Never mind the provenance or pedigree. But beware of carbon fibre forks. Fine if never bumped, and you do not know that I suspect.

 

Ride safe.

 

ATB from George

George

 

I’m not that keen on carbon fibre myself, the wheel will definitely go. I’ll check the forks and if OK source the missing parts over the winter and build in the spring.

Although, I do like to live life on the edge, so I am prepared to give the carbon fibre seat and carbon fibre seat post a go.

I've been riding carbon bikes, forks and carbon bits for over 2 decades and I have never had a carbon frame, fork or any other carbon part fail. I have, however broken a couple of sets aluminum handlebars, a steel frame, a steel fork and an aluminum crank-arm. Only one of these (handlebars) was due to a crash. My experience is that carbon is 100% reliable.....metal parts, not so much.

Posted on: 18 November 2015 by Bruce Woodhouse

I'd second that. I have had aluminium MTB frames fail (twice) without a crash. I also ploughed into a wall with a Ti bike, bending the top tube, but lightly chipping the carbon fork.

 

I just took the carbon wheel step on my road bike. Won't look back I think

 

Bruce

Posted on: 19 November 2015 by George F

Dear Frank,

 

Paradoxically you point to an interesting cut-de-sac in the production of bikes in novel materials! I say “cut-de-sac” because Carlton did not go far beyond these early experiments shown in this film.

 

For example, Carlton pioneering the use of Carbon fibre in 1971!

 

However Carlton never made a bike that used aero members in the frame for all that. 

 

 

ATB from George

Posted on: 19 November 2015 by count.d

I've had the Spinergy wheels on my bike for 16 years and I'm still waiting for them to collapse and throw me into the path of a bus. They're seriously dangerous things.

Posted on: 20 November 2015 by winkyincanada
Originally Posted by count.d:

I've had the Spinergy wheels on my bike for 16 years and I'm still waiting for them to collapse and throw me into the path of a bus. They're seriously dangerous things.

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-020/

 

Have a read of this. Mostly anecdote, but stil......

Posted on: 22 November 2015 by fatcat
Originally Posted by winkyincanada:
Originally Posted by count.d:

I've had the Spinergy wheels on my bike for 16 years and I'm still waiting for them to collapse and throw me into the path of a bus. They're seriously dangerous things.

http://pardo.net/bike/pic/fail-020/

 

Have a read of this. Mostly anecdote, but stil......

I suspect there is a reason yourself, Bruce and the Count haven't experienced problems with carbon fibre. Having seen photos you've posted of of your bikes, they're obviously high quality AND I suspect not second hand. I think most people would worry about buying second hand carbon fibre, not knowing if it's been in a prang, whereas most people wouldn't worry about buying second hand steel.

 

Spinergy Rev X wheels seem to fetch good money in the states. Although the seller of this wheel is a bit optimistic, asking $100 plus.

 

 

Had a good look at the bike today, the spinergy wheel is a later model with the bearing hubs positioned outside of the spokes and looks undamaged, in very good condition.

 

The bottom bracket is made by Royce, can't say I'd heard of them, in fact I didn't realise there where any bike component manufactures left in England.